Lumina Desk – digital desk for health and productivity (getlumina.com)

87 points by rlei ↗ HN
We’re Mike and Raymond – cofounders at Lumina. We’re excited to share what we’ve been working on, the Lumina Desk (https://getlumina.com/desk).

Last January, we founded Lumina with the mission of building the next-generation workspace.

We started off by launching a product called the Lumina Webcam, essentially a modern webcam that uses software to make you look good.

Building hardware is hard, and it’s been no different for us. We ran an Indiegogo campaign in September that raised ~$700k, scrambled to figure out hardware production (encountering every obstacle you can imagine - customs, supplier issues, parts incompatibilities), and chewed through enough glass in order to start shipping in December. But between then and now, we’ve scaled up production and have gotten some great customer feedback.

Next: we’re building the desk. We set out to rethink this centuries-old product and figure out how to make it into a more useful, productivity enhancing tool.

To start, we’re viewing the desk as a digital device, not just a mechanical one. Your desk could be an extension of your digital workspace; a complement to your phone and computer.

So we’re designing the Lumina Desk to have an embedded display. The thought is: from your desk, you’ll be able to check your calendar, receive call and chat notifications, and more. Or you can install (or build your own) apps to further customize it.

Think of the browser tabs that you keep open to occasionally glance at – the ones with dashboards or calendars or news feeds. These can now be in your desk, playing a role similar to a paper calendar or newspaper, but now in a seamlessly digital format.

With a digital desk, it can also play an active role in your health. Like a way to schedule times to sit or stand, or sensors that detect ergonomic input, or an in-desk dashboard that shows you your health stats.

Finally, we surveyed all the desks on the market and were surprised that few of them had the core fundamentals people want. How many desks have enough cable storage to hide all your cables? Enough usb and 110v sockets to power your workstation? Enough wireless charging space to charge all your wireless devices? These features should be tablestakes for any professional desk.

We’re in the early days of the desk, and there’s still room to shape the development of the product. If you have ideas on how we make the ultimate workspace, reach out and let us know. If you might be interested in building apps, we’d love to talk to you about building our first few apps.

Thanks so much for reading this. There’s a ton of work to be done, and your early support means a lot to us.

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Looks like quite a neat product with so much tech packed into a desk-surface (wireless charging, integrated display, etc) but I think unless my job called for that much glance-able information I'd just end up getting more distracted by the cool screens.

I hope it finds a market of folks who do need that kind of glance-able info, though. Very cool!

I've been a Lumina Camera user for almost a year now and I've been impressed with two things: the quality of the camera, but also the Lumina team's approach to improvements. They ship updates constantly and the software gets better all the time. I'm excited to see that same approach to such a cool new product.
What are the advantages of coupling these additional features to a desk, instead of using separate devices?
my desk has monitor, mic, keyboard, mouse, phone, airpods, a usb dock, a webcam. i think i count 9 separate cables for power and signal.

its a mess, even my Qi wireless charger HAS A CABLE.

honestly this might save my marriage.

How? With the possible exception of the usb dock, I don't see how this desk replaces any of these, except perhaps your monitor -- albeit, with a worse monitor.
I would mostly be interested in ergonomic sensors. I never know if I am using a good posture. Apart of that, I want to focus on my work instead of having a source of interruptions.
Ergonomic sensors... Yes, this would be a great feature. Not sure if I want my desk to do that, or another device, though.
You can display this on the integrated screens:

"if you can read this you are bending your neck too much"

Maybe I missed it, but can you give a ballpark price?

Without specific dimensions for the display its hard to figure out how big, and where the display actually sits. There's not much room between the legs of my monitor stand, and the top of my keyboard, and even less so with a desk mat.

Those widgets look great. Since I saw something about a developer invite on the website, I wonder if a desktop dashboard app could happen?

Also I couldn't quite tell if the desk's display can be touched or not, though I imagine it would make no sense to make it a touch screen.

yep you're right the display is not touch by design. Else it would be too sensitive to various ways people use their desk.

we want users to build their own "daily dashboards" using desk widgets

stuff you normally keep open, or glance at (chat msgs, calendar events, weather, email) but don't actively stare at (medium, code)

I like the scheduled sit and stand, and I like the power and cable management.

The display concept... As someone in physical therapy for neck strain, I have my doubts about putting a bunch of information in the plane of the desk itself. Also, I put stuff on my desk.

One thing that might make me excited is if the desk were to have a handwriting system that rivaled paper. Just dreaming here but if it could easily be trained to recognize my handwriting so that all my handwritten notes became searchable.... well that would be futuristic indeed.

P.S. definitely going to purchase the webcam!

Looks amazing ! Can't wait to use it as my new home workstation !
Good luck, and seems like a nicely executed product. There's certainly demand in the prosumer home office market – lots of money being spent there.

Personally, I'm surprised that showing more information is frequently correlated with an _increase_ in productivity. I see many 'inspiration' setups with multiple screens, often taken up by a single app like Twitter or Spotify, and they feel like distractions, not productivity boosts.

It seems like this would be used as a more embedded version of a second screen, which I gave up on because its main purpose was to take my attention away from what was on my main screen (I recognize there are times when side-by-side screens are helpful, just not that often for me).

Two-leg standing desks are very wobbly. You should offer a premium model using a four-leg design, similar to DeskHaus's [1]. I don't represent them, but I do have one of these desks.

[1] https://desk.haus/products/apex-pro-2?variant=39436448366741

I've got a Fully 2 leg standing desk and maybe my definition of "very wobbly" is different than yours, but I've been happy with it.
It must be, because I've used one and it produces an unacceptable level of wobble. It's not much by itself, but if you add monitor arms and such, and raise the desk, it is quite noticable
I must just not mind it, because I've got two 30" monitors, one on an arm and one on the desktop, and another arm that holds my personal laptop above my work laptop -- so a lot of stuff on my desk.

I have the Fully "extended range" model, maybe 6" from the top height.

That’s really more of a function of build quality than anything fundamental. Since the linear slides and screws are the most expensive part - I think you’re adding unnecessary cost by going to four adjustable uprights
If that is the case, no brand has high enough build quality. We have tons (literally) of multi-thousand dollars desks from Steelcase and other high-end brands - all of the two-leggers wobble.
I've worked on a 2.5 meter wide German slip roller which adjusts in a similar manner and sits on two legs. it uses nice heavy bearings and screws. you would break your arm before you detected any kind of wiggle.
I have a 2-leg Uplift desk, and I really have to lean into it to make it wobble
Do you have monitor arms? The tiny wobble is exaggerated by the monitor arms. Plus, when standing, I do often lean into the desk a bit.
Strap some weights to your monitor arm.
Yes, but it's the monitor arms that Uplift sells, so perhaps they've put work into keeping things balanced. I also have a third party arm that holds my laptop. It probably helps that it's solid wood (walnut butcher block, 1.5" thick) as opposed to the common MDF/particle board and laminate.
Two-legged desks that have a horizontal bar at the bottom connecting the two legs don’t exhibit said wobbliness, in my experience.

The Lumina team could consider this modification to add stability if that is an issue in their product’s usability.

I have a two-legged Steelcase with the design you mention, and it does wobble considerably compared to my four-legged one at home.

Raise your desk way up and give it a nudge - watch the monitor jiggle

Is there anyway to use the screen as an external display without using an "app"? I would totally get this if I could just use it as a regular screen. I would dock my terminal or maybe youtube on the screen (I've been actually on the market for an external 14" ultra ultra wide monitor just for this)
Using it as an external display would also get rid of the problem of vendor lock it to the Lumina app ecosystem. A desk should last a VERY long time.
Something tells me this would undermine the business case of selling you a subscription for your desk to work.
What user research went into validating that people want this kind of coupling of tech to a desk? We all saw how poorly the Magic Bar fared with Apple... Just curious why anyone would want to have apps integrated so heavily into something so immobile when portable viewports like a laptop/tablet/phone/watch are just as feasible.
Looking down, to where I store my coffee, for data I can display on my other screen. Seems like another monitor would be a much better investment for someone with additional data to display, and much healthier.
Prominently absent: any hint as to how much this will cost.

Are there actually people who manage to keep their desk empty enough for these screens to be visible? Mine's got an ever-shifting pile of reference books, notebooks and keepsakes right where those are sitting. If I clean it off this stuff will accumulate again rapidly.

Anyway, thanks for the accidental reminder to spend a little time cleaning the pile of mail off my desk, and refreshing the tape that keeps some cables stuck to its underside. Now I can see most of the Mardi Gras doubloons that are scattered across its surface to provide a happy, healthy environment for the toy dragons under the monitor.
Mike, Raymond - big fan and daily user of the webcam. Congratulations on the new product launch announcement, very interested in becoming a customer!
Slick product, by the looks of it.

Not having even a rough price is rather annoying, though. I'd rather not give up my contact information and reserve a desk just to find out it's like $40,000 or something.

This is a really cool product. What's the cost going to look like? Also, is Linux support feasible - even unofficially?
I used to work with Mike and Raymond. Great team, and I love working with them. Glad to see them launching exciting new products.

Good luck!!

Really cool!

What's the developer platform for the desk going to look like? Seems it works for both Mac and PC, but what OS is the desk itself running? Or is it just acting as an external monitor? If so, whats the developer interface look like?

Out of curiosity - have you actually prototyped this? Or is everything on that website just a rendering?

Also, having worked in the space, it seems like you're missing some key features of enterprise workstations - chief among them is supporting monitor arms for external monitors.

Good catch, it looks like the channel that's used to stuff cables in wouldn't work with clamp style monitor arms.
Looks fit to be on the bridge of a starship! Nice!
Looks very slick. I'm not sure I understand why I'd want stock prices and social feeds on my desk though, but I guess that's configurable. I imagine this is a personal preference thing, but I've never really understood the appeal of having task lists and such in my face all the time, whether it be on a watch or a widget on my phone home screen or wherever. If I'm managing tasks, I'll open up my task list and then shove it out of my way. If there's something timely, I'll get a notification, etc. The idea of an always-on or even available-at-a-glance task list or any similar information source just doesn't make much sense to me. Even looking at my wrist while I'm at my desk arguably takes longer than cmd + tab to whichever app on my desktop contains my tasks.

I really do hate to seem so negative about something that does seem quite cool, but I feel that in general, there's a kind of addictive, porny aspect to productivity and workspace hacking type stuff, whereby people spend an inordinate amount of time and energy trying to optimize things that really are the least in need of optimization. Weather? Available at a glance on all my devices which I'm always near. Stocks? Don't wanna see 'em, but if I did, also available at a glance. Ditto for tasks as I mentioned above.

In fact, it seems to me that my desk is one of the few, physical, tactile pieces of "equipment" in my workspace that is free from any digital interference and I'd much prefer to keep it that way.

It's just very hard for me to imagine how I don't _lose_ rather than gain focus or productivity by sticking more information in my face while I'm working.

Am I missing something?

Still, congrats on a very sharp looking product launch (is it launched?)!

No you're not missing something. This is aimed at the tech person equivalent of Instagram bullet journalers, where the act of decorating pages and writing tasks is the goal as well as the process.

I don't get it either but I can at least see the appeal.

Slack would be interesting. I have two displays now, one for work, one for monitoring/slack/logs etc. Though I often use the second display for a web browser to read one thing while working on another. The second monitor always felt like overkill, but it is very functional. The only problem with this is the ergonomics. Would the keyboard get in the way? Do I have to stand up or like lift myself to read it? It seems like it would have to tilt up to be functional.
I agree, seems like it would be very distracting to have something, doesn't matter what, constantly scrolling/updating on a non-primary display. I purposely put weather, stocks, news, social, etc. out of the way so I can focus on work. On Mac this is just the side-bar thingy with widgets for those things.

My todo lists are always pen/paper because digital ones do not work for me. I get that there are people that use digital task lists and work well with them. I like having a desktop I can write on or not worry about spilling drinks on too.

I just got a sit/stand desk and have been watching various youtube videos on desk accessories and there is a whole category of what I would call desk porn - amazing looking, beautiful setups, tidy wires, special lighting, etc. that are just impractical from a daily need to do work perspective. They seem staged for the sole purpose of taking fancy pictures of them. This desk looks geared for people that want to mimic those desk setups. I'll stick to my post-it notes here and there, notebooks, real books, toys, etc. littered across my desk.

> They seem staged for the sole purpose of taking fancy pictures of them.

Yeah, exactly. And well said. It's like, I'll look at such products and think "wow!", but simultaneously I'm thinking "this is the exact opposite of the type of setup that someone who is serious about focusing on their work would want."

tools enable people to do more things. those things can increase or decrease productivity. at the end of the day, it's largely defined by individual settings.

examples: * if you in ops or management, and are in comm mode daily, need calls / messages with your team, this keeps you hooked up to everything going on. * if you are in engineering or research, and want to go into deep focus, you can use the widgets for things like code, logs, a lofi playlist, etc. * if you're a degen trader, you can also load up 5 twitter widgets and a stonk chart.

sure if the engineer used a degen trader dashboard, it would be counter productive. Google can't stop me from opening reddit / youtube on my browser, I don't blame them for making me less productive.

This looks great!

One problem I've noticed is that with my adjustable desk (Jarvis) I found that following guides on "proper pose" the correct height of my desk is 26 inches when sitting down (and I'm not short), while this has a minimum height of 30 inches.

Are you planning to add an extended range option?

+1. Would really like to emphasize this point by @cube2222. I'm currently on the market for a height adjustable desk, and have eliminated some options based on the fact that they don't go down to 25-26". It's the first filter I use in my search. And I will mention...I'm willing to pay more to ensure that I get that.

It's a cool idea, but huge swaths of the population won't find this ergonomic as it is currently.