Ask HN: Is Venture Capital becoming Vegas-style gambling machine?
I was reading various stories on Softbank's poor performance for the last five years. It is back to zero in providing returns for its Vision fund. Other late stage funds are undergoing a similar fate where money poured. Without any checks.
There are other stories of how founders have schemed the investors. Raised at 100X revenue valuations. Spent millions of dollars. Without a product to show. Without customer traction.
I'm an idealist. Venture Capital is a greater good. It democratizes access to capital to people who otherwise did not inherit. But nervous that this tulip mania like cycle hurts more than helps.
Are people just playing roulette? Is high-tech no longer tech? But just high on the kool-aid of unabashed flow of money?
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[ 1.6 ms ] story [ 43.2 ms ] threadReckless spend in the private markets makes it this way.
Crypto is the next stage. Excess supply with nowhere to go.
The sad part of it is that there are now a million startups with no real tech or distribution advantage raising easily simply because of how the markets are.
Hoping the macro climate changes and we focus on real innovation (unlike one click checkout and hoodies)
2. Looks like macro is changing and some sobriety is coming back.
Though you can't blame it exclusively on FAANG when rapidly rising living costs since 2008 and the housing crisis in tech hubs tend to force workers to seek the safest, most stable career paths.
(A) - They make it harder for startups to hire the "best" talent because it is locked up behind a vesting schedule at a FAANG.
(B) - It makes it harder to hire other non-FAANG folks because the comp baseline is so high. Why work at a startup for X w/illiquid options when I could work at FAANG and make X*2 + RSUS that are fairly liquid. Even if those compensation expectations are unrealistic outside of FAANG, they are still there.
This also increases the amount of money startups need to raise by default just to get baseline talent -> leading to over-raising and overvaluation -> leading to benchmarks that are unrealistic -> leading to unnecessary flameouts -> leading to aqui-hires by FAANG.
https://www.readmargins.com/p/zirp-explains-the-world
Capital demands yield.
IMO the biggest issue with Softbank's or Tiger's model is that they fundamentally did not understand who would buy their investments at a higher price and the amount of money required to do so.
Their entire thesis is built around the idea that public markets are the greater fool here and will pay more than they did. That worked when interest rates were lower and the discounting of earnings was in favor for tech. When that imploded, and tech stocks correspondingly imploded, the greater fool left the game.
Tiger and Softbank were attempting to corner or buy the market to a degree by investing such great amounts that no competitor could compete or win. Unfortunately, they miscalculated the eventual value of winning the market and had already put up such great amounts that there is effectively no way to recover short of another bubble.
Early or earlier stage investing is less susceptible to this math issue because, if you invest in 10 startups and 9 fail, but your fund size is only $100M, it is still possible to recover because the 1 success could legitimately be worth >$100M.
If you are Softbank, and you invest in 10 companies, and maybe 5 fail, but you have put in $200M into each company, at valuations that are in the billions, it gets much harder for the remaining 5 to return the $1B you lost because their valuations are so high already.
Venture is a calculated bet on what the investor after you will pay for a given business AND the loss rate at the stage you are investing at. Both of these variables vary by stage, Tiger and Softbank took this to the Nth degree w/o realizing there was nobody after them.
They blitzscaled in the same way the companies they invested in, the Ubers and WeWorks, did so. This bubble is fractal.
It's even more fractal if Softbank was actually the "Nasdaq Whale" that bought call options on tech positions in such volume that it may have required option sellers to hedge by buying stock, perpetuating a cycle of rising tech stock prices. [2]
Echos of the Hunt Brothers and their attempt to corner the silver market [3].
[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/tiger-global-venture-capital...
[2] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/04/softbank-reportedly-the-nasd...
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Thursday
Stock market day traders investing in YC demo day round—-expecting to profit post demo day.