Ask HN: Who are the technically competent CEOs in tech world?

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Besides Elon Musk. I know Apple, Google and Twitter CEOs are just administrators.

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"technically competent" is a broad word. would you classify Zucks as being "technically competent" about every single technology at Meta, just because he coded the og version of Facebook
The Zuck was in the just got lucky category. Facebook was the right product at the right time and he wouldn't be able to recreate that again. Look at all the garbage churn his company has spat out. It's only the acquisitions that have been successful and he spend a lot to buy the majority of stuff that totally failed.

Google is exactly the same. Apart from search then really the only thing they got lucky with was gmail. The rest is a graveyard of garbage.

Hey now, Google Talk was actually quite nice for the, what, six months of its existence?
Having moved away from Search and Gmail, I find the only Google tools I use now are Flights and Maps.

Maps can be replaced in most cases by Apple Maps, but I haven’t found a competitor for Flights.

> I haven’t found a competitor for Flights.

Live near a major airline's hub, and commit to only using that airline. Then things are easy.

It's hard to provide a better flight search than that provided by a company that runs a GDS, although Travelocity didn't leverage it very well when they were part of Sabre. (Travelocity did have a calendar based flight search tool, working mostly from fare rules, but heavy caching made it frustrating to use when availability was limited, and FTC wanted them to get prices complete with all fees, which was apparently too complex to add later, so I think it was discontinued; we had to discontinue the cobranded version at Yahoo! Travel anyway)

Yeah because it's so technically easy to build a reliable global scale information architecture allowing thousands of people to reliably iterate on, test and deploy software simultaneously while it's continuously being accessed by billions of people and which is running on devices, operating systems, and programming languages you also created to make all of this possible.
There are few to no engineers who are technically competent at every technology at Meta or any other company.
The job of a CEO is not technical competence.

Knowing how to work the computers is not the only valuable or difficult skill. Managing a large company is not something a software engineer could do.

A CEO should have technical advisors they can trust. Multiple advisors who sometimes disagree with each other, because technical information is loaded with opinions which, even if they don't masquerade as fact, can influence a decision.
> Managing a large company is not something a software engineer could do

That is essentially saying that people who are software engineers have only one set of skills.. which is just false obviously.

Technically competent is a big grey zone IMO. For example, I am sure Musk knows the details, limitations and technical aspects of the welding that takes place at SpaceX, but my guess is he isn't competent to do it.

That same example could be used for most of technology. I am sure Musk understands ML at a pretty solid level, but ask him to build or train a model and my guess is he wouldn't show "competence".

I think technical competence is also different then "could do it", e.g. I think Musk, Zuck could sit down and figure out most software related tasks. But it isn't a good use of their time. They have a good enough understanding of the technical limitations and requirements to lead people in product creation which has proven immensely valuable.

Why do you think Musk knows anything about welding or ML? I’m not saying he doesn’t, maybe he does, but that would be surprising to me.
Ive watched a few YT videos where Musk does a walkabout of spacex facilities. He seems to have an impressive knowledge of the engineering detail at so many levels. Given welding must be critical for strength and weight I'd be surprised if he didn't have reasonable knowledge from a technical point of view.

I think the channel was 'Everyday Astronaut'.

I'm not an expert so perhaps it's a case of I'm easily impressed.

"Are just administrators"

A bit of a casual comment. Current Twitter CEO was the CTO before. Satya nadella and sundar pihai both were fairly technical when they started. Even Zuckerberg won't fit your definition because he coded facebook initially in PHP/Mysql but what it is today is probably s lot more technically complex.

And anyway, the job of a CEO of a large public company is not to be technically competent. They just need to understand technology.

I think of technically competent as having been a hands on dev, Zuck at least did that during his time (like Gates in his day). Satya and Sundar were not hands on in terms of coding and were PMs in their respective companies before moving up the ladder. This makes sense for the CEO role, but if the question is technically competent CEOs, not sure they'd be representative, of course they have computer science backgrounds/education so it's debatable.
John Carmack just founded a AGI startup and raised 20m. Not sure if he’s wearing CEO title but arguably technically competent.
What are the examples of the best contemporary CEOs (technical or not)?

How about founders?

One person I'm inspired by is Whitney Wolfe Herd, the founder and CEO of the dating app Bumble: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitney_Wolfe_Herd

When she was younger, she was kinda a bleeding heart type, selling tote bags and clothing to benefit environmental and human rights causes, then working in an orphanage. She went on to become the VP of marketing for Tinder, but left because of sexual harassment.

She went on to create Bumble, teaming up with a Russian billionaire (that part is admittedly shady). Within a few years, she herself became the youngest self-made female billionaire.

Since then, they've been getting mixed press... allegations of sexual harassment at the office (https://www.forbes.com/sites/angelauyeung/2019/07/08/exclusi...), a paid week off after COVID (https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/22/dating-app-bumble-gives-work...), etc.

Overall I just think it's cool to see a woman who didn't grow up in tech get pissed off at the misogyny and forge her own path in reaction, despite all the doubt and vitriol she faced along the way.

I'm not sure if I would consider the societal effects of Tinder and Bumble as positive and inspirational. If anything is has impaired gender relations, lead to the massive spread of STDs and arguably made the world a worse place.

And regarding Wolfe Herd herself, it's the eternal question, how "self-made" can one be as the child of a very wealthy and well-connected property developer of Jewish background? How many free attempts at entrepreneurship would she have had until eventually something panned out?

I dunno, I think any social app like that has its pros and cons. I met many amazing women on them, including my current partner, and also exes that I still consider dear friends. You don't have to use them just for no strings attached high risk sex if that's not your thing. It never was mine, but I still met some really cool people on there. Certainly a less toxic place than, say, Facebook or reddit... less of a herd mentality when you're just meeting one on one, I suppose.

But sure, they can have downsides too. I actually just got a check in the mail from Bumble because they were subject to a gender discrimination class action suit for prohibiting men from messaging first. And some of my female friends had terrible issues with overwhelming spam and dick pics on those services (part of why Bumble was a hit), along with guys just being assholes in various ways. I never had a bad experience with them, myself, even though the dates didn't always work out. You get out of it what you put into it.

As for Herd, a lot of CEOs come from privileged backgrounds and it's not something we fault them for. Even given that privilege, very few go on to found companies that become household names. And still fewer end up even remotely decent people. For every Herd, there's a hundred Larry Ellisons and Bernie Madoffs and Weinstein, predatory sociopaths out to exploit everyone around them.

If Herd's only crime is that she grew up privileged, eh, that doesn't seem so bad. She had to face many challenges her male peers didn't, just on account of her being an ambitious woman.

I think self made in this context just means she actually had to work for her wealth, as opposed to being a straight up heiress like Paris Hilton.

What about Gabe Newell? He went from lead dev of Windows to creating Valve and Half-Life and Steam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabe_Newell

Or Tim Sweeney of Epic Games, who made the early shareware ZZT and Jazz Jackrabbit, then went on to create Unreal, the game and engine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Sweeney_(game_developer) (hey, cool footnote... I was pretty pissed off when they changed their game Fortnite from an early cooperative PvE version to the PvP Battle Royale, emailed him and complained, and he personally replied with a thoughtful letter and then gave me a full refund... thank you, dude).

(And yes, of course Carmack, but someone mentioned him already)

I believe Gaben was a PM (or PM manager/lead) during his time at microsoft. Lead dev is a bit misleading, since he led program management and has been listed as the producer, not the hands on lead developer. Not that he's not technical, just wasn't coding or leading technical development like a Carmack.
Thanks for the clarification! I was paraphrasing Wikipedia there. I don't know enough about his history to correct it for sure there.
Lisa Su, Jensen Huang, Pat Gelsinger, C. C. Wei,
Those are the CEOs of AMD, Nvidia, Intel and TSMC for anyone like me who didn't know.
Patrick Collison (Stripe) helped develop the first version and seems to know how to code as he still talks about and shares what he works on sometimes on twitter.

Another famous YC company is Cruise, who had Kyle Vogt as CEO, who was very hands on as a programmer in various roles before that and talks about specific tech being worked on for autonomous driving.

Jensen Huang from NVIDIA