Kim Jung Gi has died (latimes.com)
There are articles about this in various places (I saw it on the front page of cnn, highlighting just how influential he was), and it does feel a bit like the world has lost a Mozart or a Rembrandt. I'm not sure there has ever been anyone like him, or will be again.
Sad day -- only 47 years old, he had so much that everyone thought was still ahead of him.
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Even with help on scene, people still die in hospital a few days later because of a mix of underlying causes.
CPR on scene doubles the chances of survival, but they aren't a guarantee someone will survive. The entire point of learning CPR is to maximize the number of people that don't have to die in the event of a heart attack, no matter how minute that fraction.
About 800k people suffer a heart attack in the U.S. yearly accordign to the CDC (this is both in-hospital as well as out-of-hospital).
In my first aid course we were taught that the speed in which an AED is applied is the main contributing factor. Giving that most workplaces/homes/restaurants ...etc don't actually have an AED you would normally get one when the ambulance arrives.
Someone in the NHS had worked out the graph for distance from ambulance and % survival. He gave us all our % chance survival if our office didn't have and AED based upon the average rate from our work places and that we needed to wait for the ambulance. This was under the assumption that someone would start CPR almost straight after the arrest.
In our office this % without an AED was < 10% something insane like 6% chance survival. With an AED survival is much higher. He gave the figure of 95%+ survival rate for offices that had AED in them.
I brought this up in a company meeting with all staff there and the question was how much is an AED. I had already asked this and it was £750 for an older second hand one and £1100 for a brand new one.
Never bought the flipping AED.
So from what I made out my life was worth < £750 to the CEO.
I wouldn't have bet any money on that. The dude was unwilling to pay £1100 for a life saving device what makes you think he would buy insurance that would pay upon employee death.
I know for a fact I didn't have any of that cover as my current company does pay death in service and it's like 4 times my yearly salary to my wife. So if he had anything like that he would have said so.
He's was just a cheap fuck. Companies often cheap out of safety gear to make a quick buck happens everywhere all the time.
You have to divide the cost by the likelihood of a life being saved to find the proxy figure for what that's worth. If there's a 1% chance that an AED will save a life during its useful lifespan, that suggests that they're valuing the life at less than £110000 (assuming a company would be inclined to buy new and that there are no required inspections along the lifespan of the AED).
I think the actual likelihood that any individual AED located in a company's workplace will save a life is much less than 1%.
So given this plus your statement about the £1100 for a brand new one divided by the lifespan which I think is 5-10 years for each £110 per year I would say the value my life < £1000.
The CEO himself was very high risk and had actually been in the hospital recently for a suspected heart attack (a small one that didn't require intervention).
> Imagine if there was a meteor shield the company could buy for £250
The chance of being hit by a meteor is several orders of magnitude smaller than having a heart attack so this comparison is invalid.
A better comparison is being in a car crash and yes if they didn't spend £250 per 5 years to drastically improve my chance of dying in a car crash my life is worthless to them.
The company never listened to me on any of my suggestions so I think they were not listening and just denied my request the same as ever other request of mine they denied. I once asked for a new mouse and they denied that as well some CEOs are just like that.
Also note that you didn't take into consideration that the device is used for all in the office so over the 5 years it's cost must be divided by the number of employees it will cover which in this case was around 12.
Again your Meteor comparison was extremely poor. You are comparing something that is very common, a middle aged person having heart attack, to something extremely uncommon a similar demographic being hit by a meteor. Also to note that you can't say it it £250 to protect from a meteor strike it would likely be extremely expensive to protect an office from that versus the insanely cheap £1100 to almost guarantee that any of us survive a heart attack.
I've eddited to show the actual lifespan of the AED which is 10-15 year
It's clear to me you've made up your mind and you feel that spending the money is a waste for something that's so low risk so I don't see any point in continuing this conversation. If you do still work in an office I hope it never happens to you.
I believe in the benefit of AEDs. I also believe the average number of lives saved per AED installed in an office is way, way less than 1.0, and almost surely lower than 0.001 which was the point of this sub-thread.
For context when I had mine at 39 I was swimming so swam on for another thirty minutes at a reduced pace, got changed, walked home, lay down for a bit before getting my wife to drive me to the hospital. Ended up with a stent put in. Got lucky I guess from being reasonably fit as there was no visible damage to the heart on an ultrasound.
I personally find this anecdote really shitty to be honest. Only a balanced mind and body can sustaine quality over a long time.
Also bad health in old age is super critical for living long and bad. Would never thrive for this like laying in bed having pain every day being dependent
Also, there is no reason to imply that Kim Jung Gi had increased absorption of alcohol or was depressed last years. Especially since you are just speculating in order to push for political agenda.
Wiki entry for those, like me, unsure who Kim Jung GI is.
https://www.kimjunggi.net/
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Edit: ...which still does not contain this critical piece of news. I cannot avoid thinking of that of Martin Perscheid, which on 5 August 2021 had an update "Unfortunately I currently find myself incapacitated, and responding to your queries will take a while". And ended with the same formula of former posts: "Thank you for your attention".
If you are curious whether drawing is to your liking, you can just skip to the end of the video. Or, google his name and filter for images - the filter is in top bar.
https://www.kimjunggi.net/
To answer the question though, yes wildly and objectively talented. Part of why you would want to watch a video is to see how he works, his competence is on full display more so than in the finished product perhaps.
He is almost like a human printer, drawing one character or object to completion before moving on to the next.
I particularly like his dragon hunter
jpeg: https://www.liberdistri.com/359-thickbox_default/dragon-hunt...
video: https://youtu.be/uNtmdB6N5Qo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jung_Gi
A good video was posted here by modernerd, describing his drawin process.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmqFbgKWoao
rip
Absurd to see that kind of detail emerge like that.
Unreal is definitely the right word, similar to watching Michael Jordan at his best.
What are we talking about here?
https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Bangkok%20Thailand%20s...
"The study of teenagers in Thailand following a second COVID-19 vaccination found that 18% -- not one third -- experienced any detectable cardiac effect, and that 1 in 301, not 1 in 43, had confirmed myocarditis. A large proportion of purported abnormalities detected by testing were without symptoms, and 100% of the teens in the study fully recovered after 14 days, the authors reported."
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-heart-teens-vaccin...
I'm not knowledgeable enough about anything regarding this subject to make any determinations about if that is being downplayed or misleading. I don't want to pretend like I understand it.
They're downplaying the harm by changing the context.
Re: "found that 18% -- not one third -- experienced any detectable cardiac effect"
This research found 1:43 harm - because that harm included detection of damage to the heart via blood:
"Troponin blood test - troponin is a protein which is released into the blood stream when the heart muscle is damaged. The troponin level provides a quick and accurate measure of any heart muscle damage. It's used to help in the assessment following suspected heart attack."
Troponin was part of the research - and in 1:43 trooponin was detected post-shot vs. pre-shot.
And 1:301 is still extremely bad, no? Certainly you can make a judgement on that? It is actually harming 1:43 but even harming a heart - which is permanent damage as the heart doesn't heal - 1:301 of harming a young person's heart is completely unacceptable - especially when they're at very little risk of any significant harm, nowhere near 1:301 from COVID itself.
Also, 100% of the teens didn't recover after 14 days: there is permanent heart damage in 1:43.
They also focus on only including myocarditis numbers to make their numbers seem less worse (1:301 is still horrific) - by excluding the case(s) of pericarditis from their numbers.
Notice how Reuters is at the top of Google, and Reuters has routinely misled people to train them of these shallow-narrow talking points - to give them enough narrative to make them think the alarming research was less true than it actually is.
And elevated troponin is not definitive of permanent heart damage.
In the context of Kim Jung Gi's death, studies suggest an excess of <5 cases of myocarditis per 100,000 vaccine doses for men aged 40-50: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-31401-5/figures/3
I suspect this is considerably less of a risk to that age bracket than COVID.
What else causes heart damage and troponin to release?
We're going on suspicions now rather than thoroughly reviewed science and data?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmqFbgKWoao
“When I decide what to draw, I think about what. And then I create another me in my mind. Another me, a.k.a. mini-me, will be travelling through the space of what I want to draw. … Now, I send a bunch of my mini-mes all over the space to find the best suited location for me to draw. Which perspective should I use? Where is the coolest angle or composition with the most impact?”
May as well include the link on CNN https://edition.cnn.com/style/article/kim-jung-gi-death-cec/...
I draw the same way. My sketches are tons and tons of lines in the wrong places that somehow end up looking right, because the majority of the lines are near to or in the right places.
The job has only started when it is working. That doesn't mean you're done! :)
Though this only works for the implementation side of things in my experience; you still need a good mental model of roughly what you’re aiming for architecturally, I think.
Also, the domain is so large in programming, it is impossible for me to contextualize the entire set of edge cases. From remembering what exceptions to handle to library interactions, types, etc.. returned from various methods, it is just not really possible to think about even a small system this way (as in a system with 4-5 methods that perform real logic beyond "format this"
But, yeah - definitely large picture before I start to code. "Huh, yeah that calls that... ok.." but once I need to solve a problem "oh, this queue needs to be maintained this way... I need to compare these values against these values, oh, I need a second queue... I need to take this lock... oh this returns this type, which needs to be serialized so I need to figure that out..." - all of that stuff needs to be hashed out in a combination of paper & code. No way I can hold that in my head.
Reminds me of Rich Hickey’s Hammock Driven Development https://github.com/matthiasn/talk-transcripts/blob/master/Hi...
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If it's a problem that I have to address right now, it's more like prototyping the first idea that comes to mind and then debugging and refining and being more critical.
And as another plus, that makes my code very readable for others. I leave the comments in.
https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/ucs/utf-8-history.txt
Must have been less than 150 lines of C, but it was written in one go, compiled without warnings, and ran as expected.
Not even a forgotten comma, or an off-by-one.
I just sat there for five minutes enjoying the feeling of raw rarity.
One thing about working this way is it's very frustrating to people who operate by documenting in real time, in something like org or Notion. I am not a note taker and I never really have been. I actually find my thinking gets cloudier when I try to document something I personally find "intuitive".
One example of this clash of styles was recently with a manager where he asked me, directly, how could I know how to design something if I hadn't written out the structure yet? How would I know to build space for a feature if I hadn't documented all the features that were required? I told him the requirements should be known, already, by anyone who was thinking about this problem... that for instance anyone who bothers to even imagine a "Create" action would automatically, symmetrically, imagine a "Delete" action and budget for that. He didn't agree and made me write it out anyway.
Sure, some things come in pairs. Some requirements are immutable and obvious. That's not the interesting part of a design, and if that's all it lists, then yes, you can probably skip writing a ton of detail. (Although current and future team mates are usually appreciative of knowing how something was designed, instead of just having to read the code - it makes it easier to distinguish mistake from intent)
But the meat of a design is in the trade-offs you made, in the choices that could reasonably go several ways. And no, for any reasonably complex system, you can't hold all of those in your head. And worse, if it's a trade-off, your weights may be wrong - your work is part of a larger effort, and you might miss constraints that seem "outside your area" but play into it.
RIP to a tremendously talented man.
According to his Facebook:
> It is with great sadness and a heavy heart that we inform you of the sudden passing of Kim Jung Gi. After finishing his last schedule in Europe, Jung Gi went to the airport to fly to New York, where he experienced chest pains and was taken to a nearby hospital for surgery, but sadly passed away. October 3, 2022 After having done so much for us, you can now put down your brushes. Thank you Jung Gi. October 5, 2022 Hun Jin Kim If you wish to send a note or a drawing to his family, please send it to 1975-2022@kimjunggi.net
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid037QzdzNrwP...
I will never forget seeing a family member with their sternum cracked wide-open heart bypass, where they connect your heart to a machine while you are suspended in animation, so they can operate on bypassing your clogged arteries that could have been managed with a healthy lifestyle and drugs.
Yearly blood panels provide time series data against which it might be easier to spot changes even if all metrics are in the "healthy" zone.
At Kaiser, which usually has its own lab in every facility, yearly blood panels are completely routine. As an HMO Kaiser has every incentive to minimize costs, and they don't make any such practices routine unless and until they've been demonstrated to provide clear benefit across their patient population. (They also regularly run all sorts of trials--they're vertically integrated from the research lab on up.)
And the moment both groups are pretty large, the vaccinated and the least once infected with corona but the virus is never a suspect in certain groups.
Blood clots, myocarditis etc. is only ever attributed to the vaccine and not the virus.
This class of statements, or rhetoric generalizations which cannot be read as a logical statement (where 'only ever' is strict), should be avoided. False universal statements add nothing to the style - they may easily detract -, they are gratuitous, they are offensive, and technically they clash with the requirement of respect which seems to be implicit in the guidelines.
I can reassure you: yes, some of us wondered of what could have been the chance that blood circulation affecting diseases may have impacted, and also of the chances of other factors, and also of the weakness of such estimations, and finally of the limited time these vague thoughts deserve.
These groups only the vaccine as the culprit even if someone dies by accident
Sure, it is legit question. But for me personally not relevant, because I know more previously healthly people dead/serious ill because of vaccines and just one (obese) dead because of covid. I prefer to gather non-anonymous and non-generalized examples.
Covid/vaccine related questions should best be left to topics concerning large scale studies, not a single tragic instance.
You «jump[] to a biased conclusion» only when the conclusion is held - which you cannot conclude. The poster should keep it open: you should do the same. As you are mandated by the guidelines and the constraint against weak interpretations.
The vaccination status questions appear, because the theories about this being caused by covid vaccination flew over internet in anti vaccine circles. Just like every time famous person dies. The the whole political goal of these questions is to imply he was killed by vaccination while not needing to prove anything.
And it IS manipulative political question. We don't know his vaccination status nor when he was vaccinated. That happens to be private health information.
On the contrary, there are cases where people flying through multiple countries which have different approaches to health treatments have ended up taking multiple pharmaceutical interventions, one per nation-state sanctioned regime, where there have been zero clinical trials on that specific combination of treatments.
To be pro or anti "vaccine" is as meaningless as being pro or anti "software" or "chemical" or "food". Details matter. We are currently in the world's largest, unprecedented scientific experiment, and we are fortunate that the vast majority of participants have been healthy. Data from the outliers will be studied for decades to come and future generations will honor their sacrifice and contribution to science.
> To be pro or anti "vaccine" is as meaningless as being pro or anti "software" or "chemical" or "food". Details matter.
We are specifically talking about covid-19 vaccines.
? We are currently in the world's largest, unprecedented scientific experiment, and we are fortunate that the vast majority of participants have been healthy.
You are lying. Practically, it is not experiment.
> Data from the outliers will be studied for decades to come and future generations will honor their sacrifice and contribution to science.
What does that have to do with whether trying to imply vaccines are responsible for Kim Jung Gi? Literally for no reason other then "I want it to and it would confirm my priors".
The U.S. NIH says otherwise, e.g. here is one of the ongoing clinical studies, which continues through March 2023, https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04848584
> covid-19 vaccinesWHO lists 11 vaccines and 4 types, each with different mechanisms of action, effectiveness and safety, https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/agency/who/
Also there are way more then just 11 vaccines all in all.
It means that the outcome of vaccine studies which complete in 2023, e.g. medium-term adverse effects, identification of specific risk pools, mitigations for adverse effects, will primarily benefit those who receive treatment after the studies complete in 2023.
Any beneficial information from a study completing in 2023 would self-evidently not be available in 2021 and 2022, i.e. science would have yielded new scientific knowledge. Participating in an ongoing scientific procedure with partial data is a risk-benefit decision, but that does not make it any less of an experiment, when there is ongoing, parallel research, clinical trials and scientists working diligently to answer open questions.
It is. Vaccine trials cannot be speed up. Human biology is not changeable as some sources trying to tell you. You need time to observe for example changes in fertility. walterbell gave you links for more info.
"Literally for no reason other then "I want it to and it would confirm my priors"."
Sorry, but that is your biased deduction.
Only for those who are healthy and suddenly die because of chest pain. Also when you know personaly people that are seriously ill or dead because of vaccines, than it is really hard to not ask questions.
"That happens to be private health information."
It was and it should be. But since our governments decided to make those information mandatory for for/entrance to various places/etc., it is not private anymore.
Cardiovascular and heart disease information:
https://www.who.int/health-topics/cardiovascular-diseases/#t...
https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm
You speak about how political vaccines are and share links to most political institutions we have. How ironic is this?
It is quite unlikely he got vaccination shortly before his hearth attack. He would have had to have it while traveling for it to be close enough rather then, more sensibly, him taking vaccine at home around time most people took one.
Well... Maybe your conclusion is biased.
"Covid/vaccine related questions should best be left to topics concerning large scale studies, not a single tragic instance."
Why? I prefer individual, non-anonymous source of data. Without conclusions.
Under the unusual circumstances prevailing in many developed nations over the past couple of years, with the authorities and medical professions coercing entire populations into indiscriminately receiving experimental injections that have turned out to damage some low-covid-risk-persons' hearts, there is a generalized reluctance on the part of the same groups (government and medical bureaucracies) to acknowledge the damage their actions have inflicted. Your belief that vaccine-related fatalities are restricted to a period of a few days post-shot, is a result of the authorities' grudging admissions (and those only because the deaths are undeniable) rather than an accurate picture of what's going on.
Here's a link to a Danish study about the longer-term outlook for patients with acute myocarditis who were hospitalized, using pre-covid, pre-covid-shot data ("Long-term prognosis following hospitalization for acute myocarditis – a matched nationwide cohort study"): https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14017431.2021.1...
From the abstract:
Prognosis in patients with apparently uncomplicated myocarditis is in general perceived as good, but data on long-term outcomes are sparse.
A bit further down...
Myocarditis in younger patients without prior cardiac disease was associated with a long-term excess risk of HF hospitalization, and death, even in patients free of events and HF medication 1 year after discharge.
Many nations are seeing a large increase in non-covid excess deaths of working-age persons and the magnitude of the effect seems to correlate with the uptake of mRNA and adenovirus-vector covid shots and boosters. It's hard to get to the bottom of what's going on now because the same people responsible for investigating this sort of thing have gone all-in on forcing shots onto people who mostly (non-elderly/non-direly-ill) aren't at risk of severe covid. Until the members of that cohort of experts and officials move on, retire, or are fired, I'm afraid that this will all continue to be either "baffling"/"mysterious" or falsely normalized.
Not really. Dropping dead from a widowmaker in your 40s, while not common, is hardly unheard of. Could have been something else, too, like an aortic dissection. Nobody knows but his doctor and maybe his family. Speculating gets us nothing. We know how to lead healthy lives, should we choose. And accidents still happen.
Absolute loss. I don't know if it was a heart attack or maybe a pulmonary embolism... he had covid before and I think the long flights might have been taking a toll.
The virus is more likely the cause if there really is a spike in heart attack cases because pre vaccine studies already showed higher heart disease rates because of an infection.
It's strange to see so many people going out of their way to justify not investigating something because, god forbid, supporting doing so might make you a perceived nutter or something.
It's probably completely unrelated, but it's not something you just don't check because culture war.
There is a better candidate. The corona virus has the same known side effect and it's more often and more severe.
A pre vaccine study already showed that an corona virus infection increases the risk of heart failures even after more than a year after infection.
What to do with this information? I don't know. Maybe work on cardio, stop coffee?.
Whatever the reason was, we should all be having regular heart health checkups or preventative care that is readily available and to help. I mean, by now we should be having watches or devices that can monitor and read our heart health and vitals 24/7. It's 2022, ridiculous.
Maybe work less? I know four people who died of heart attack. Two of them were in terrible shape (obese, no exercise), while the other two were in very good shape, but were also workoholics in stresful jobs. One of them even got the attack while jogging in the park (he collapsed in a rarely frequented part of the park and was dead before anyone noticed) He was a CEO of a decent-sized company in his early fifties.