what antivax people don't understand is that vaccines are extremely well understood, especially boosters for vaccines which have already been through testing.
it's not like a vaccine for a new virus is 100% experiment, or even 1%. a vaccine is like a Rubik's cube; a known thing which you hope is in the right configuration to do its job. if it's in the wrong configuration then you're basically vaccinated against nothing or you are vaccinated against something you didn't need a vaccine for.
once you've built a few million Rubik's cubes you can stop doing human testing and quality control on every single one of them.
like Rubik's cubes, vaccines are made from known and understood ingredients, each with known and understood behaviors.
vaccines are inert to every part of a human body, except the immune system, by design.
vaccines are not an unknown thing, which could be made from any random junk on the shelf, and which may or may not kill you; vaccines are safe.
the amount of scare-tactic half-truth coming from antivaxxers is nuts because they are just repeating stuff they've heard that they don't understand but that sounds super bad on the surface, and then letting their fear override everything else then repeating the half-truth to the next person.
If mRNA vaccines are so extremely well understood, why was so much misinformation spread by public health officials about them?
We were told:
- The mRNA and spike protein break down within a few days. Now studies are finding them still in the body months later and the CDC silently memory-holed the statement on their site about them being short-lived.
- The mRNA and spike protein remain localized to the injection site. Now studies are finding them all over the body.
- The spike protein is harmless. Now studies are finding it's toxic.
Tens of thousands of people show up to bag groceries each day, doesn't make it a vast conspiracy. Some peoples job is to do bad science and shill for big pharma, go figure.
The big reason is to make it available before the fall, when people spend more time indoors and spread it more. Also you don't really need to test it, it's known to be safer than the disease.
If your claim is that "the vaccine" was only tested on mice and you don't clarify that you're only talking about the updated variant, not the original, then you're being purposefully misleading.
Sorry, no, it's completely accurate to say the new FDA boosters weren't tested on humans. Period. I'm not complaining that this happened (deliberate tradeoff) but it definitely did occur and people saying that are not necessarily being misleading.
He's a highly published and referenced, board licensed cardiologist.
From his website:
> Dr. McCullough has broadly published on a range of topics in medicine with > 1000 publications and > 600 citations in the National Library of Medicine. . . Dr. McCullough is a founder and current president of the Cardiorenal Society of America, an organization dedicated to bringing cardiologists and nephrologists together to work on the emerging problem of cardiorenal syndromes. His works have appeared in the New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of the American Medical Association, Lancet, British Medical Journal and other top-tier journals worldwide.
MDs with hundreds or thousands of publications is usually not a good sign. Factory scientists tend to publish too many tiny or extremely incremental studies. I know of one who's expert at smearing the results of a study over half dozen papers.
Natural infection gives broad spectrum protection against multiple antigens present on SarsCov2.
The mRNA vaccines took the toxic part, the spike protein, and gave that to everyone, but only after Pfizer gave themselves full immunity for any damage it caused.
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.”
- Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
From [1] he says "Unless we really have a compelling case, no one under age 30 should receive any one of these vaccines." Hardly sounds unreasonable to me much less misinformation.
From [3] they rebut his claims that healthy people under 50 years do not NEED the vaccine for their own benefit by claiming they were the primary spreaders in the summer of 2020 (prior to vaccine availability) which is quite the non-sequitur.
None of these factchecks are compelling. Even so, I'd argue doctors should be able to voice their opinions without reprisals and slanders. By cutting off the debate you stall out anyone already on the fence but open to discussion.
Until omicron appeared in late 2021 there was a compelling case for vaccination and other steps to hinder Covid transmission. Health systems are still trying to deal with the overload and burnout from earlier Covid. Fortunately, current Covid is on the order of flu and hopefully it stays that way. It’s still there and spreading easily but current variants seem ok.
Actually it was late July 2021 (few months after mass administration) that we found out that vaccines had only a marginal impact on transmission (other steps yes which McCullogh is not arguing against or being factchecked here). But the compelling evidence was none more than blind wishful thinking, its hard to believe that antibody waning was some unknown thing to vaccine developers.
Pfizer had this data from Israelis already in March 2021 but scientific publications appeared in July 2021. Most vaccine mandates were introduced after that which is very strange because we already had all the data that vaccines are not going to stop the spread of infection thus making vaccines only good for personal protection to minimise the risk of severe disease and infection.
I had never heard about Peter McCullough until today. Short glance in wikipedia about him is not very impressive. He was wrong about hydroxychloroquine but so were many health authorities about certain other things. He got some things correct. For example, the last sentence in wiki is: _by disputing the necessity of vaccinations to achieve herd immunity_. He got that one right and those who (mis)labeled it as misinformation were wrong.
Banning him is not good for democracy. Better to have an open debate based on scientific data to show who is right.
I always wondered what would happen to Dr. Barry Marshall if Twitter had existed back then.
Would he have been banned for "disinformation" too?
"In 1982, they performed the initial culture of H. pylori and developed their hypothesis on the bacterial cause of peptic ulcers and gastric cancer.[9] It has been claimed that the H. pylori theory was ridiculed by established scientists and doctors, who did not believe that any bacteria could live in the acidic environment of the stomach."
"In 2005, the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine to Marshall and Robin Warren, his long-time collaborator, "for their discovery of the bacterium Helicobacter pylori and its role in gastritis and peptic ulcer disease"."
Thank god the millennials working at Twitter have the wisdom, grace and benevolence to determine who the rest of us stupid plebes are allowed to listen to so we aren't exposed to any dangerous or offensive ideas.
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[ 2.6 ms ] story [ 65.6 ms ] threadwhat antivax people don't understand is that vaccines are extremely well understood, especially boosters for vaccines which have already been through testing.
it's not like a vaccine for a new virus is 100% experiment, or even 1%. a vaccine is like a Rubik's cube; a known thing which you hope is in the right configuration to do its job. if it's in the wrong configuration then you're basically vaccinated against nothing or you are vaccinated against something you didn't need a vaccine for.
once you've built a few million Rubik's cubes you can stop doing human testing and quality control on every single one of them.
like Rubik's cubes, vaccines are made from known and understood ingredients, each with known and understood behaviors.
vaccines are inert to every part of a human body, except the immune system, by design.
vaccines are not an unknown thing, which could be made from any random junk on the shelf, and which may or may not kill you; vaccines are safe.
the amount of scare-tactic half-truth coming from antivaxxers is nuts because they are just repeating stuff they've heard that they don't understand but that sounds super bad on the surface, and then letting their fear override everything else then repeating the half-truth to the next person.
We were told:
- The mRNA and spike protein break down within a few days. Now studies are finding them still in the body months later and the CDC silently memory-holed the statement on their site about them being short-lived.
- The mRNA and spike protein remain localized to the injection site. Now studies are finding them all over the body.
- The spike protein is harmless. Now studies are finding it's toxic.
They've done this on the flu shot for YEARS.
Or are you implying that a reason for fast tracking must necessarily be nefarious?
My point is that if you leave out "the new FDA boosters" then you're being misleading. It's important context.
From his website:
> Dr. McCullough has broadly published on a range of topics in medicine with > 1000 publications and > 600 citations in the National Library of Medicine. . . Dr. McCullough is a founder and current president of the Cardiorenal Society of America, an organization dedicated to bringing cardiologists and nephrologists together to work on the emerging problem of cardiorenal syndromes. His works have appeared in the New England Journal of Medicine, Journal of the American Medical Association, Lancet, British Medical Journal and other top-tier journals worldwide.
The mRNA vaccines took the toxic part, the spike protein, and gave that to everyone, but only after Pfizer gave themselves full immunity for any damage it caused.
- Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
[1] https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/07/right-wing-vaccine-r...
From [1] he says "Unless we really have a compelling case, no one under age 30 should receive any one of these vaccines." Hardly sounds unreasonable to me much less misinformation.
[2] https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/vaccines-are-a-safer-...
From [2] they do not give an actual quote of him but undoubtedly a bastardized paraphrasing.
[3] https://factcheck.afp.com/us-cardiologist-makes-false-claims...
From [3] they rebut his claims that healthy people under 50 years do not NEED the vaccine for their own benefit by claiming they were the primary spreaders in the summer of 2020 (prior to vaccine availability) which is quite the non-sequitur.
None of these factchecks are compelling. Even so, I'd argue doctors should be able to voice their opinions without reprisals and slanders. By cutting off the debate you stall out anyone already on the fence but open to discussion.
I had never heard about Peter McCullough until today. Short glance in wikipedia about him is not very impressive. He was wrong about hydroxychloroquine but so were many health authorities about certain other things. He got some things correct. For example, the last sentence in wiki is: _by disputing the necessity of vaccinations to achieve herd immunity_. He got that one right and those who (mis)labeled it as misinformation were wrong.
Banning him is not good for democracy. Better to have an open debate based on scientific data to show who is right.
Couple of woke, social sciencies grads deciding on the truthiness of Dr. McCullough's tweets. Nothing to see here, move along.
He'll be back once Elon overhauls that miserable organization.
Would he have been banned for "disinformation" too?
"In 1982, they performed the initial culture of H. pylori and developed their hypothesis on the bacterial cause of peptic ulcers and gastric cancer.[9] It has been claimed that the H. pylori theory was ridiculed by established scientists and doctors, who did not believe that any bacteria could live in the acidic environment of the stomach."
"In 2005, the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm awarded the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine to Marshall and Robin Warren, his long-time collaborator, "for their discovery of the bacterium Helicobacter pylori and its role in gastritis and peptic ulcer disease"."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Marshall