> We’d also like to reiterate that we’re doing a gradual, feedback-driven rollout of the new UI. The current UI will remain available for at least two years, and we’re not going to remove it until we’ve seen that the vast majority of our users have successfully made the switch to the new UI. Also, very few of the design decisions you see now in the new UI are final, and we’re open to revisiting them based on your feedback.
> The new UI will remain customizable. It is, and will be, possible to change many aspects of the look and feel, such as icons, colors, font sizes, and spacing between controls through theme plugins. We’ll add options as needed to accommodate user preferences, like the ability to customize the toolbar.
Last I looked at it I wasn't even able to remap all the keys. I've been an IDEA user since around 2002, and I remember it took them many years before it was possible to set it up with Emacs keybindings that wasn't horrible. Will they be more efficient this time?
I use JetBrains products seriously and have been quite enjoying the new UI. Would you care to explain why everything is now fucked up according to "everyone"?
I've been using the new UI. I have no sentiments towards the old UI.
But the new UI is horrible. For one thing, there is no distinction between the gutter and the editor - it just looks like your code has an extra level of indentation, especially in languages for which almost the entire file is a single class, so all the business code is already two levels deep of indention.
And when the cursor is at the first of last line of a file, there is no visual indication that this is the end - the UI outside the editor looks like the UI inside the editor and the single pixel border is flush with the highlighted cursor line and the same color.
There are lots of little paperclips like this. I'm sure that I could adjust the colors of the theme (I use the dark theme) to address some of them. But by any measure everything related to the UI is either comparable or worse that the legacy UI - I've searched in vain for anything actually better in the new UI.
Happy to answer any questions or check anything specific.
I'm also a JetBrains user of many years and several of their IDEs. I don't find Fleet (the VS Code clone, I think) really useful myself (and I have never liked VS Code or Atom or any of the other clones or Sublime-likes), but IntelliJ and Rider seem fine.
I haven't tried the new UI (and no one forced me to!)... but I did try Fleet and it's a pleasure to use. It's still in development, so a few things are missing or just don't work... but overall it's a nice and lighter editor that I find extremely useful on my less powerful laptop where IntelliJ makes it hot. I've filled a few tickets and they are really fast responding and addressing it!
So, Jetbrains has been great for me over the last 10 years, both as a paying customer at work, and as a Community Edition user at home.
As someone who spends pretty much all working time with IngelliJ, CLion, and PyTorch... I have no idea what you're talking about.
CLion is insanely fast and its autocomplete and refactoring completely outclasses all Visual Studio products. The embedded CMake is the cherry on top. Remote debugging works even with custom gdb server on custom hardware. What else could I possibly want from my IDE?
Why would they phase out their other products? The actual code intelligence part is the exact same between them, fleet is just a client shell using that as well.
It is only made so the “lightweight IDE” niche is filled as well.
This post is not about Fleet, it’s about new clean UI for classic IDEs. I tried it in Rider and really liked it, it’s much cleaner.
https://blog.jetbrains.com/idea/2022/05/take-part-in-the-new...
AFAIK there are no plans to discontinue the classic IDEs in favor of Fleet
No, they are merely changing how the default settings look like.
Besides, they'll give every subscriber a perpetual license for the current version before that happens. So if I really don't like it, I can just stay on CLion 2022.3. It's not like C++17 will be outdated anytime soon.
> CLion is insanely fast and its autocomplete and refactoring
To be honest, I am not impressed. It's a good product, I bought it because I don't like the plugins fragmentation on VS code and overall it has better support for tooling, but hell, it's for me not comparable to IntelliJ for Java.
You realise your comment is on a post about a plugin.. that is not compatible with Fleet and only works with the IntelliJ/PyCharm/Webstorm family of IDEs?
It's a library and not a framework. Besides the inherent superiority of libraries vs hollywood-principle frameworks, this lets you just import "from selenium import webdriver" in your code and have a programmable browser that you can use in various ways.
I would say universality. Selenium's webdriver has bindings to many languages and has more universal browser support, IMHO. But I see your point, downloading webdriver files manually and dealing with element awaiting isn't fun.
I groaned when I saw JetBrains. I love their editors but they have so little focus as an organization, many editors have bugs that have been unfixed for years and they don't polish one product before they move on to the next.
Yeah they are slowly going down the Eclipse path. Things don't work as naturally anymore, mess is accumulating (on a different level, more beautiful level though).
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[ 3.5 ms ] story [ 89.8 ms ] thread> The new UI will remain customizable. It is, and will be, possible to change many aspects of the look and feel, such as icons, colors, font sizes, and spacing between controls through theme plugins. We’ll add options as needed to accommodate user preferences, like the ability to customize the toolbar.
But the new UI is horrible. For one thing, there is no distinction between the gutter and the editor - it just looks like your code has an extra level of indentation, especially in languages for which almost the entire file is a single class, so all the business code is already two levels deep of indention.
And when the cursor is at the first of last line of a file, there is no visual indication that this is the end - the UI outside the editor looks like the UI inside the editor and the single pixel border is flush with the highlighted cursor line and the same color.
There are lots of little paperclips like this. I'm sure that I could adjust the colors of the theme (I use the dark theme) to address some of them. But by any measure everything related to the UI is either comparable or worse that the legacy UI - I've searched in vain for anything actually better in the new UI.
Happy to answer any questions or check anything specific.
So, Jetbrains has been great for me over the last 10 years, both as a paying customer at work, and as a Community Edition user at home.
CLion is insanely fast and its autocomplete and refactoring completely outclasses all Visual Studio products. The embedded CMake is the cherry on top. Remote debugging works even with custom gdb server on custom hardware. What else could I possibly want from my IDE?
If that's the future of IntelliJ IDEA, then I don't want to develop using their tools anymore. Is that what "kids these days" expect from an IDE?
It is only made so the “lightweight IDE” niche is filled as well.
Besides, they'll give every subscriber a perpetual license for the current version before that happens. So if I really don't like it, I can just stay on CLion 2022.3. It's not like C++17 will be outdated anytime soon.
To be honest, I am not impressed. It's a good product, I bought it because I don't like the plugins fragmentation on VS code and overall it has better support for tooling, but hell, it's for me not comparable to IntelliJ for Java.
But I agree it works quite good.
https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
> Playwright (coming soon)
Why people still use Selenium? My brief experience with it was awful.
So I had to rerun tests a few times sometimes.
For example here's how to use it to
- download files with a browser: https://selenium-python.readthedocs.io/faq.html#how-to-auto-...
- grab screenshot of a site: https://selenium-python.readthedocs.io/faq.html#how-to-take-...
Had no issues whatsoever running the tests through maven and had a pretty good development experience.
I think it's a great initiative but I would love if it launched with Playwright support as well at the beginning.