Traditional finance also makes it easier for terrorist states like Israel, so I don’t really understand your biased judgment here. Money and State need to be separated so states don’t have the ability to start endless wars enabled via arbitrary money printing and centralized control for weaponization of finance, thus cryptocurrency is more helpful for peace while traditional finance perpetuates the current evil we have.
Let's see, am I going to believe the overwhelming amount of evidence or am I going to believe the guy that makes a baseless emotional claim denying the evidence. I think I will go with the former.
If Israel is not a terrorist state, then there is no such thing as a terrorist state in the world:
I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you. You seem to have a firm belief. It's not objective and factually incorrect.
I'm not going to say Israel is innocent, far from it, but it's not a terrorist state. It's also not an apartheid state. Words have meaning and you're not using those words according to their meaning.
"State terrorism refers to acts of terrorism which a state conducts against another state or against its own citizens."[0]
Seems to fit the definition just fine. I'm not claiming "Israel is pure evil" or anything like that, it's surely a nuanced situation. However, they do commit acts of terrorism against Palestinians...which are either another state or their own citizens, depending on the prevailing views. Maybe these are justified or necessary for the survival of the Israeli state.
["The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Israeli scholar and historian Ilan Pappe](http://a.co/d/6Y5oaxm)
[If Americans Knew - What every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine](http://ifamericaknew.org/)
It's quite amusing how you make baseless claim after baseless claim, then demand more evidence, besides the evidence you have already conveniently ignored.
Your cognitive dissonance is actually quite mind boggling, you are the one "believing" in a narrative that is convenient for you, while we are the ones making judgments based on evidence, yet you accuse us of what you yourself are actually guilty of.
Even the testimony of the ex-IDF solider testifying that his job was literally to terrorize Palestinians should suffice to refute your false claims, but you can't be bothered to process the evidence because it goes against your preconceived notions.
You just repeated the same things. That's does not make Israel a terrorist state. It's horrible, yes. But the US has done some pretty horrible things too. That doesn't make it a terrorist state either. Words matter.
Now Hamas is a literal terrorist state. Curious you don't mention that. It might have something to do with your preconceived notions.
Yes, I will repeat the evidence as long as you keep ignoring it, makes sense doesn't it?
>That's does not make Israel a terrorist state.
Doing acts of terrorism for 70+ years doesn't make Israel a terrorist state!?
Then what does?
>But the US has done some pretty horrible things too. That doesn't make it a terrorist state either.
Whataboutism + Non sequitur.
>Now Hamas is a literal terrorist state. Curious you don't mention that. It might have something to do with your preconceived notions.
I never claimed that they weren't, but you are still engaging in whataboutism. Curiously tho, you label them as terrorists without giving any evidence, while I have given you enough evidence that Israel itself is guilty of similar and much worse crimes, yet you label one as terrorist and refuse the label for the other, little dishonest aren't you?!
And hamas is as much or less a terrorist organization as the ukrainian azov are. Most people have the education to recognize that people have an internationally recognized right to defend their lands. That's why Palestinians have the right to resist israeli colonization, because it's self defense, while israel is fighting a war of aggression based on colonialist ambitions, the evidence has been given and I will continue to repeat the evidence as long as you keep ignoring it.
It's clear by now that you have no interest whatsoever in making arguments based on evidence, but you rather follow a fixed narrative which you have chosen based on anything but evidence. This is clear to any objective follower and reader of the discussion.
If those links are the best you can do, then I stand by my claims. Israel is not a terrorist state. Hamas is. While you are correct that one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist, it comes down to the details. Actively trying to kill non combat civilians for the purpose of inciting fear to achieve political ends is terrorism. What Israel does is horrible, but it's not terrorism. What Hamas does is also horrible, and it is terrorism. You can't just change the meanings of words when you like.
But what would the world renowned jewish Professor Noam Chomsky know am I right? We have eloff here who will just state his baseless opinion and that's much more worth than the actual evidence, right?/s Kinder-garden hour with eloff, so much fun, such intellectually stimulating arguments you have /s.
>Actively trying to kill non combat civilians for the purpose of inciting fear to achieve political ends is terrorism.
Finally, you admitted that Israel is committing acts of terrorism, the sanity prevails.
>What Israel does is horrible, but it's not terrorism. What Hamas does is also horrible, and it is terrorism.
There is the insanity again, your argument basically boils down to: I am pro Israel therefore their acts of terrorism are merely "horrible", but not terrorism because that would make Israel look horrible. Israel's colonized victim's on the other hand who do similar actions are always committing terrorism, because eloff said so, no evidence or explanation required, just trust eloff.
>You can't just change the meanings of words when you like.
Peak projection, anyone with an atom's weight of honesty can verify.
>Actively trying to kill non combat civilians for the purpose of inciting fear to achieve political ends is terrorism.
Finally, you admitted that Israel is committing acts of terrorism, the sanity prevails.
Give me one example of that then. I see Israel taking great care to avoid civilian casualties. Hamas on the other hand fires rockets and mortars at residential areas. That latter is clearly terrorism. Show me an example like that from Israel - that would be rare. That's why they're not a terrorist state.
Watch it, the documented evidence recorded about 1000x of the evidence you asked for. You keep asking for evidence just to ignore it and then absurdly keep asking for the evidence which has already been given, it's actual insanity.
> I see Israel taking great care to avoid civilian casualties.
Anyone who has studied this conflict knows this to be utterly false, even an outright lie.
>Hamas on the other hand fires rockets and mortars at residential areas. That latter is clearly terrorism.
Israel does the same and even much worse. The evidence has been documented, just because you keep ignoring it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
The documented casualty numbers make this crystal clear.
>Show me an example like that from Israel - that would be rare. That's why they're not a terrorist state.
I already delivered the evidence, you are just wilfully ignorant and choose to be blind to the documented evidence. Keep shilling, no educated human being will buy your washed up zionist propaganda - the documented evidence is just spread too far and wide with the help of the internet esp. with youtube, even if shills like cnn/bbc try their hardest to manipulate the people - it ain't working anymore.
>Your personal attacks are childish.
No, your behavior and rhetoric are childish, no one should be asked to deal with such obvious deception and gaslighting, yet here I am dealing with your shenanigans.
> I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you. You seem to have a firm belief. It's not objective and factually incorrect.
Yet here you are, arguing with me, making more baseless vapid claims which you can't be bothered to back up with any evidence whatsoever.
>I'm not going to say Israel is innocent, far from it, but it's not a terrorist state. It's also not an apartheid state. Words have meaning and you're not using those words according to their meaning.
Wrong. Israel is both a terrorist state and an apartheid state, the evidence for which is overwhelming and we have given you evidence[0][1][2] for it too, while you provided 0 evidence for your false claims.
The US decided unilaterally to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal and threatened EU firms with secondary sanctions. The US does not have any moral high ground here.
I can't really judge them for doing this. Sanctions that target the ability to use the global financial system are overly broad and harm basic human rights; For instance, Iran experienced major medication shortages during the pandemic. If a country is going to place sanctions on another country, they should be more specifically targeted.
US sanctions policy is a humanitiarian disaster, a kind of medieval siege warfare, starving entire countries because the US has some problem with their government. I'm glad to see that cryptocurrency helps alleviate this.
Still better than actual warfare. Sanctions can serve their purpose. It's a bit simplistic to rule them out all together, unless you have another stick with which to put pressure on these types of regimes.
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If Israel is not a terrorist state, then there is no such thing as a terrorist state in the world:
[Empire Files: How Palestine Became Colonized](https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4)
[Israeli Army Vet’s Exposé - “I Was the Terrorist”](https://youtu.be/1Rk1dAIhiVc)
["The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Israeli scholar and historian Ilan Pappe](http://a.co/d/6Y5oaxm)
[If Americans Knew - What every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine](http://ifamericaknew.org/)
Israel is not only a terrorist state, but an apartheid state on top of that:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apart...
I'm not going to say Israel is innocent, far from it, but it's not a terrorist state. It's also not an apartheid state. Words have meaning and you're not using those words according to their meaning.
Seems to fit the definition just fine. I'm not claiming "Israel is pure evil" or anything like that, it's surely a nuanced situation. However, they do commit acts of terrorism against Palestinians...which are either another state or their own citizens, depending on the prevailing views. Maybe these are justified or necessary for the survival of the Israeli state.
It's just hard to deny that it happens.
0: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_terrorism
[Empire Files: How Palestine Became Colonized](https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4)
[Israeli Army Vet’s Exposé - “I Was the Terrorist”](https://youtu.be/1Rk1dAIhiVc)
["The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Israeli scholar and historian Ilan Pappe](http://a.co/d/6Y5oaxm)
[If Americans Knew - What every American needs to know about Israel/Palestine](http://ifamericaknew.org/)
It's quite amusing how you make baseless claim after baseless claim, then demand more evidence, besides the evidence you have already conveniently ignored. Your cognitive dissonance is actually quite mind boggling, you are the one "believing" in a narrative that is convenient for you, while we are the ones making judgments based on evidence, yet you accuse us of what you yourself are actually guilty of.
Even the testimony of the ex-IDF solider testifying that his job was literally to terrorize Palestinians should suffice to refute your false claims, but you can't be bothered to process the evidence because it goes against your preconceived notions.
Now Hamas is a literal terrorist state. Curious you don't mention that. It might have something to do with your preconceived notions.
Yes, I will repeat the evidence as long as you keep ignoring it, makes sense doesn't it?
>That's does not make Israel a terrorist state.
Doing acts of terrorism for 70+ years doesn't make Israel a terrorist state!? Then what does?
>But the US has done some pretty horrible things too. That doesn't make it a terrorist state either.
Whataboutism + Non sequitur.
>Now Hamas is a literal terrorist state. Curious you don't mention that. It might have something to do with your preconceived notions.
I never claimed that they weren't, but you are still engaging in whataboutism. Curiously tho, you label them as terrorists without giving any evidence, while I have given you enough evidence that Israel itself is guilty of similar and much worse crimes, yet you label one as terrorist and refuse the label for the other, little dishonest aren't you?! And hamas is as much or less a terrorist organization as the ukrainian azov are. Most people have the education to recognize that people have an internationally recognized right to defend their lands. That's why Palestinians have the right to resist israeli colonization, because it's self defense, while israel is fighting a war of aggression based on colonialist ambitions, the evidence has been given and I will continue to repeat the evidence as long as you keep ignoring it.
It's clear by now that you have no interest whatsoever in making arguments based on evidence, but you rather follow a fixed narrative which you have chosen based on anything but evidence. This is clear to any objective follower and reader of the discussion.
That's all you have: empty vapid rhetoric, no evidence, no arguments, just shallow childish claims.
"Noam Chomsky: Israel’s Actions in Palestine are “Much Worse Than Apartheid” in South Africa" (https://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/8/noam_chomsky_what_isra...)
But what would the world renowned jewish Professor Noam Chomsky know am I right? We have eloff here who will just state his baseless opinion and that's much more worth than the actual evidence, right?/s Kinder-garden hour with eloff, so much fun, such intellectually stimulating arguments you have /s.
>Actively trying to kill non combat civilians for the purpose of inciting fear to achieve political ends is terrorism.
Finally, you admitted that Israel is committing acts of terrorism, the sanity prevails.
>What Israel does is horrible, but it's not terrorism. What Hamas does is also horrible, and it is terrorism.
There is the insanity again, your argument basically boils down to: I am pro Israel therefore their acts of terrorism are merely "horrible", but not terrorism because that would make Israel look horrible. Israel's colonized victim's on the other hand who do similar actions are always committing terrorism, because eloff said so, no evidence or explanation required, just trust eloff.
>You can't just change the meanings of words when you like.
Peak projection, anyone with an atom's weight of honesty can verify.
Finally, you admitted that Israel is committing acts of terrorism, the sanity prevails.
Give me one example of that then. I see Israel taking great care to avoid civilian casualties. Hamas on the other hand fires rockets and mortars at residential areas. That latter is clearly terrorism. Show me an example like that from Israel - that would be rare. That's why they're not a terrorist state.
Your personal attacks are childish.
For the 4th time: [Empire Files: How Palestine Became Colonized](https://youtu.be/BT5L4YU_Fl4)
Watch it, the documented evidence recorded about 1000x of the evidence you asked for. You keep asking for evidence just to ignore it and then absurdly keep asking for the evidence which has already been given, it's actual insanity.
> I see Israel taking great care to avoid civilian casualties.
Anyone who has studied this conflict knows this to be utterly false, even an outright lie.
"Noam Chomsky: Israel’s Actions in Palestine are “Much Worse Than Apartheid” in South Africa" (https://www.democracynow.org/2014/8/8/noam_chomsky_what_isra...)
>Hamas on the other hand fires rockets and mortars at residential areas. That latter is clearly terrorism.
Israel does the same and even much worse. The evidence has been documented, just because you keep ignoring it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. The documented casualty numbers make this crystal clear.
>Show me an example like that from Israel - that would be rare. That's why they're not a terrorist state.
I already delivered the evidence, you are just wilfully ignorant and choose to be blind to the documented evidence. Keep shilling, no educated human being will buy your washed up zionist propaganda - the documented evidence is just spread too far and wide with the help of the internet esp. with youtube, even if shills like cnn/bbc try their hardest to manipulate the people - it ain't working anymore.
>Your personal attacks are childish.
No, your behavior and rhetoric are childish, no one should be asked to deal with such obvious deception and gaslighting, yet here I am dealing with your shenanigans.
Yet here you are, arguing with me, making more baseless vapid claims which you can't be bothered to back up with any evidence whatsoever.
>I'm not going to say Israel is innocent, far from it, but it's not a terrorist state. It's also not an apartheid state. Words have meaning and you're not using those words according to their meaning.
Wrong. Israel is both a terrorist state and an apartheid state, the evidence for which is overwhelming and we have given you evidence[0][1][2] for it too, while you provided 0 evidence for your false claims.
[0] https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apart...
[1] Israeli Army Vet’s Exposé - “I Was the Terrorist”: https://youtu.be/1Rk1dAIhiVc
[2] "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" by Israeli scholar and historian Ilan Pappe: http://a.co/d/6Y5oaxm
https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-business-cuba-israel-...
I don't think any person should have the power to deplatform 3.5 million (??) people from financial services. Such tools should not exist.
Sanctions can still make it illegal for me to pay you that dollar.
You are comparing apples and oranges.
Still better than actual warfare. Sanctions can serve their purpose. It's a bit simplistic to rule them out all together, unless you have another stick with which to put pressure on these types of regimes.
Like Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar? They're going to be sanctioned too, right? Right?