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700,000 Android devices activated each day (plus.google.com)

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Andy Rubin: "There are now over 700,000 Android devices activated every day."

"...and for those wondering, we count each device only once (ie, we don't count re-sold devices), and "activations" means you go into a store, buy a device, put it on the network by subscribing to a wireless service."

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byoung2
I wonder what number of distinct users is. Once you go Android, you tend to stay there. Between my wife and me, for example, we have had 6 Android phones (1 HTC Hero, 2 HTC Evo 4Gs, 3 HTC Amaze 4Gs), and 5th Android tablet (2 Samsung Galaxy Tabs, 1 Asus Transformer, 1 Acer Iconia, and 1 T-Mobile G-Slate). I'm sure each activation was recorded, but there isn't really a way to deactivate a device. Even a factory reset appears to be restricted to the phone, and doesn't register anything with the carrier/Google.
Aloisius
Goodness. Why do you own so many phones & tablets?
trafficlight
I think the basic idea is "one is good, six are better".
throw_away
getting a screen extender to stitch together all eleven devices (don't forget the five tablets) would be amazing.
byoung2
My wife got the HTC hero first. That turned us on to Android. Then we both upgraded to the HTC Evo. Then we both switched to TMobile and got the HTC Amaze. I had mine a month before I lost it. Insurance replaced it with a new one. The tablets, the first Galaxy tab was a Sprint one with a contract, which was returned for a WiFi one. It then got sent to the Philippines so my father in la could use it for video chat. The Acer iconia and the Asus transformer are so my wife can have one that fits in a purse and one for a laptop replacement. The g slate is the extra one, but since it has a sim card, well use it for travel.
dangrossman
If you own 11 Android devices, you're probably in the top 10% of earners in this country. Smartphones as a whole aren't near 50% of cell phones in the US; the plans are still prohibitively expensive. I think the case of a single person owning more than one Android device is a very rare one.
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paperwork
>Once you go Android, you tend to stay there

Interesting, I've heard the opposite. My brother knows several people who started out on Android, but switched to iphone. He ended up switching from learning to do Android apps to iPhone apps.

jlgosse
Going to have to say that I've had a much better experience with iOS than any other platform. In the past three years I have moved in the following sequence:

- Windows Mobile (Motorola Q)

- Various BlackBerry Devices (Curve, Storm, Torch, etc)

- Android (Nexus One)

- Windows Phone 7 (Samsung Focus)

- Android (Nexus One, again) + iPad 2

- iOS (iPhone 4S)

Having dabbled in J2ME, BlackBerry, Android and iPhone development, and having used all devices for a minimum of two months, I can tell you that,] if for some crazy reason, I decide to jump off the iOS boat, I will be going straight to Windows Phone 7 and not Android.

In terms of overall UX/UI and general happiness, I've found that the top three platforms are represented as follows:

1. iOS

2. WP7

3. Android

With regards to overall ease-of-development and awesomeness of API, as well as general happiness from developing for particular platforms:

1. iOS

2. Android

3. BlackBerry

Obviously just my own perspective, but I think this gives me enough authority to recommend a platform to a particular user when asked.

diminish
Trying both ios,blackberries etc, I deployed 12 androids in the family. I like its flexibility, and being a programmer, I sometimes download roms. Android gives a lot of freedom. I didnt like ios, mainly no widgets, no context menu standardized and too many buttons and button clicks, no true multitasking. it is for single threaded people, because it puts you in a mode where you have to go one by one.

Android is truly a swiss army knife and talks to all out needs. I have so many options. For example for international travels i have a smaller android, my father insists on a dual sim. Android tablets add to the diversity. Wp7, blackberry and ios lack in diversity and free customization options.

I suggest everyone to try Androids. There is one for your taste.

jbrennan
Android is like a supermarket: limitless choices and combinations, but you've got to cook it yourself.

iOS is like a restaurant: most of the choices are made for you, but the meal is effortless.

Cadsby
Genuinely curious, how many other members in your family download and install their own roms? Or do any significant customization at all?
diminish
i deployed roms to the 2 older devices and will do so in the future. just my sister is customizing her phone herself a bit, for the others i am customizing it usually. yes i am the one who installed their computers too and i am the one who helped them for some hard to discover settings in their feature phones. i am helping friends with iphones or wp7 or earlier too, when they have problems. aha by the way, i am responsible for the deployment of over 100 linux boxes. and i don't think i am an unique, in every family or friend circle there are people like me, who help and influence their circles. i am sure i am responsible for the purchase of a few dozens of androids. i like it a lot.
epo
Or reading between the lines, your family are lumbered with third rate devices because of your ideological geeky fanaticism.

This is all reminiscent of the "Linux will take over the desktop" advocacy of 8 or 9 years ago. People with knowledge of "the real world" just roll their eyes heavanwards and find someone interesting to talk to.

thomasjoulin
I develop for iOS and WP7, and I have high hopes for Windows Phone, but honestly, it's not quite there yet. And compared to iOS development, it is extremely frustrating.
masklinn
Could you expand on the differences you see? Is it API-wise? (I'd expect WP7 tooling to be better than iOS's, though I have not yet had the occasion to try Xcode 4 I kind-of doubt it leapfrogged VS2010, except on the UI side maybe where IB and bundles have always been pretty nice) Is it the communities/help around them? Third-party resources? Something else?

And which ecosystem did you come from before iOS and WP7?

(disclaimer: I'm not a Windows or WP7 dev, and I only dabbled a bit in iOS dev)

mwidarto
Can you please elaborate more on that. I am curious. I developed for iOS and android. I am a .net developer and I'm about to port my code to wp7. I was hoping that it will be a lot easier compare to the other 2 since I use visual studio and .net on daily basis. Am I mistaken here?
untog
Once you go Android, you tend to stay there.

I think that's conventional wisdom- and I think it's wrong. I went from Android to WP7, because I am a weird UI obsessive. But my girlfriend has an Android and is due an upgrade- and she's sick of it. She's likely going to get an iPhone.

vosper
Being "a weird UI obsessive" is a very small subset of users, given that if you asked a typical smartphone user what "UI" means a majority of them probably couldn't tell you.
byoung2
I'd agree with that, but now that you mention it, I can say that I like HTC Sense UI better than stock Android or Samsung/Motorola UIs
untog
Sure, that's why I was describing myself as an exception to the usual case. And why I put forward the case of my girlfriend, who definitely isn't a UI obsessive, but is leaving Android.
rjd
Well both my parents have replaced android phones with iphones because they had trouble using them. I had a cheap LG that went flat continuously and I gave it away and went back to a feature phone so I could use the phone for the purpose I need it.

I know a few people who are sysadmins with android, but I also know more sysadmins with black berries. I don't know anyone who isn't a sysadmin that has an android phone, most people I associate with tend to be in sale or design... so probably no surprise all of them use iphones.

ugh
It seems to me that Android would be the easiest to switch away from. Not so much for any technical reasons, rather because of the mindset most Android buyers (I know) have.

Android is the default choice if you don’t want an iPhone. It’s the default and generic smartphone. All people who have Android phones I know don’t care about the OS at all. They may like the phone (Look at my nice new Samsung smartphone! Isn’t this HTC phone cool?), they know nothing and don’t care one bit about the OS.

RyanMcGreal
"All people who have Android phones I know..."

Selection bias alert. I have an android phone that's nearly two years old, and I bought it specifically for the OS.

ugh
Yeah, selection bias alright. I just think I have the more plausible selection bias. That's all :-)

If you are selling nearly a million phones per day it's not the geeks who are buying (don't get me wrong, geeks are buying tons of Android phones – but they are a minority), it's normal people. And normal people don't buy for the OS (at least if it's not the iPhone).

It is my very clear impression that Android phones have become the default generic smartphone. People who want a smartphone (and in all likelihood also people who don’t even know they want a smartphone) but don’t know anything more specific than that will (with high probability) walk out of the store with an Android phone.

The carriers’ marketing speaks to that and also how they place those phones in their stores. Sure, the iPhone gets its stand and Nokia gets its stand but the big table in the middle is full of Android phones at all price points. (And, by the way, no big Android logo anywhere. If there are logos at all it’s the logos of the manufacturers.)

arron61
Andy Rubin: "...and for those wondering, we count each device only once (ie, we don't count re-sold devices), and "activations" means you go into a store, buy a device, put it on the network by subscribing to a wireless service."

So it seems like a new device only.

jamesaguilar
I wonder why they don't just use a word that people understand.
nextparadigms
If it's a new device that is activated by the carrier, then it's a new "sold" device. So the numbers signify 700,000 Android devices sold per day.
arron61
They don't sell the phones so they don't know how many are sold. The only count they have is all the activations that are coming from every new phone.

I don't think there can be a better measurement for them than this.

vetinari
Because if the used the word sold, the Internets would be full of people claiming, that the products were just hauled from factories to sellers warehouses, where they are sitting and not being bought by anyone.
moocow01
Does this take into account people who are upgrading to a new Android phone from an old one? If not it could really impact the metrics if one is looking at this as a measurement of new entrants into the Android ecosystem.
Maxious
This metric is used is because Apple uses it for their iOS devices in keynotes. Surely both platforms could use "app store accounts with their first device added" per day as a metric if they wanted to. And for Android, you'd want to know what version these activated devices are - no reason a 1.5 device couldn't still be activated today even if the app ecosystem has seemingly moved on.
danielharan
That sounded way too high. But then, holy crap: 1 billion people buying a device once every 3 years is ~ 1 million a day.

Wow.

diminish
2 years is a better interval.
whatusername
Not over 1 billion people it's not.

There's a lot of families that use hand-me-down phones.

Consider the scenario where Mum gets a new Phone every 2 years and Dad gets her old one when she's done. The phone has a 4 year life.

Averaging it out (over the richest 1billion people in the world) and 3 years is possibly a pretty close figure.

cryptoz
I highly doubt the richest 1 billion have anything at all to do with the majority of Android phone purchases. Countries like Nigeria (140,000,000 people) and Kenya (40,000,000 people) are starting to see their populations going from no-computers to everybody-has-a-smartphone. Most people there may never own a PC but will move straight to cheap, open source smartphones.

I would bet that Android's growth numbers are a majority of new users and a minority of returning users. The platform's only been popular for a single "update cycle" anyhow. 3G networks are popping up in the poorest parts of the world and people are buying phones there.

dave1619
If Steve Jobs was still around he would not be happy about this.
azakai
It's remarkable the legal lengths to which Apple and Microsoft are going to try to stop Android, but it looks like they are having little or no effect.

Lawyers get paid, some silly patents get worked around, but that's about it it seems.

nextparadigms
Not to mention that it seems most of Microsoft's patents are worthless when they are tested in Court. 6 out of 7 of, which I assume are some of their best patents if they used them in the lawsuit, have been declared invalid.

http://mediacenter.motorola.com/content/detail.aspx?ReleaseI...

If the manufacturers currently paying Microsoft patent fees man up and take Microsoft to Court, they could break free, too, or at the very least pay 7 times less of what they are paying now, if their other patents are just as worthless.

But seriously, how could anyone even think the current patent system is even close to being fine when most of the tested patents in Court are being declared invalid? (I believe Apple also got about 18 out of 20 of their patents invalidated in Europe). This is ridiculous.

thought_alarm
It's all about the carriers.

A guy walks into an AT&T store and wants an iPhone. He'll get an iPhone.

A guy walks into an AT&T store and wants a Windows Phone. He'll probably be talked into an Android.

A guy walks into an AT&T store without a clue. He'll walk out with an Android. It's the most profitable for the carrier, because it's perhaps the only smartphone left that grants the carrier full control over how it's configured and what software is bundled.

Patent attacks against individual Android manufacturers and individual models are irrelevant. Your carrier will always have a wall of indistinguishable Android phones for the next customer to choose from.

rjd
Indded, one of my friends went to buy a windows phone recently, c# dev looking for a phone he could work on.

The clerk literally told him they only have display models and don't hold stock and that he'd been told not to push them. The clerk couldn't even organise for a windows phone to arrive at the store so my friend decided he'd try learning obj-c and walked out with an iphone 3G (as said dev is a jaded ex-java enterprise programmer and hates the language with a vengeance).

ars
Seriously? They didn't have the phone he wanted so he let them sell him something else entirely?
rjd
From what I got told he asked which store had one and he was told none of them do, he asked to order one and they said they wouldn't from the store but he could order online. The guy is a grumpy troll of a man so I would of imagined him loosing his temper and just demanding something else. I know his old phone had stopped working so he did have a little pressure to get a phone ASAP, but yep I raised my eye brows as well considering he is a known to rant about Apple (but I assume the hate is less than what he holds for java).
therobotking
That story is quite hard to believe if I'm honest.

I'm guessing a Windows phone developer would own a windows pc and not a Mac as you say he is known to "rant about apple". Since you need a Mac to develop/publish for iOS would he really buy an iPhone, learn obj-c and buy a Mac just because the store he visited didn't stock Windows phones?

rjd
The bit I found hard to believe wasn't that he ended up an iPhone, it was that the store was essentially refusing to sell windows phones.

Anyway just dual boot you're desktop its really straight forward these days.

I recently rekitted my workstation to a i5. To install lion was literally as easy as boot off a USB drive, insert the install lion USB drive, let it do its thing, grab the associated drivers and put them onto your desktop, run the MultiBeast tool. Bingo running OSX.

tlack
Your friend should consider doing a full-length blog post about this, naming the carrier he visited. That's a pretty shocking story.
rjd
Vodafone New Zealand was the carrier. Store was in Wellington.
admiralpumpkin
I think you've wrongly inferred motives in both cases.

MS, as always, is about the money. There have been many articles recently suggesting that MS might be making more money off of Android than Google itself. As proof, see willingness to license.

Apple, as always, is about the art. Right or wrong, they are offended that anyone would use their creation. They will litigate out of principle. As proof, see (general) unwillingness to license.

To be clear, I'm not at all addressing the issue of whether or not the patents are valid, or whether patents in general are good; I'm just ascribing motivations.

X-Istence
And these numbers are the reason why Android development is going to be a royal pain in the butt for a long time to come.

There is just no incentive for Google to change the developer tools to be more developer friendly, to be more powerful when developers are forced to release an Android application simply because it is the platform with the most users on it. Despite the fact that from a development standpoint it is a nightmare due to differing hardware/software to the point that shops that want to develop for Android have to have 30+ devices just for physically testing. The Android emulator is absolute crap because of timing difference a bug can manifest itself in the emulator and not on the phone and vice-versa.

Not only that but the quality of applications on Android devices is simply not up to par with the quality of the same applications on the iPhone. It says a lot when Twitter and Facebook wholesale take their UI designs/decisions and put them on Android devices from their iPhone counterparts.

psychotik
Amen. I wish they also included how many different variants of Android were actually being shipped, and what version each one was. _Those_ numbers would make us developers tremble.

With iOS, it's simple -- if a million iOS devices were activated today, I'd know they all ran the exact same version of iOS 5.x, and none were customized or bastardized by OEMs. At least on that front, I'm thankful to Apple (I can write a whole other rant about iOS' crappiness too, but that's not relevant here)

PS: Here's an example of how Android EMs screw over apps/devs: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5358014/android-httpclien...

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X-Istence
I recently read this: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3362072 a post by user "calloc" which I find quite interesting. I personally work for Absio Corp (http://absio.com/) and we do Android development for the DoD and we too have found many of the issues that I've mentioned above and that calloc has found as well. At the moment we are testing on the Evo 4G, Photon 4G, Samsung Galaxy S II, and the Droid X, with a couple of other devices mixed in. I believe we also got a new Galaxy Nexus that we are testing on.

It's a pain, and we've had issues with bugs only cropping up on one device but not another (even if they have the same Android version).

discreteevent
Heh, maybe its fragmented android that will accelerate the dominance of the mobile web.
babebridou
The current strategy for android is to keep pushing the device level up through app developers rather than through carriers. I'm now at a point where I do all my devs targetting Ice Cream Sandwich and including the compatibility packages for older versions. This does not fix all of the fragmentation you're referring to yet, but it's a very definitive step forward. Of course, this essentially means that potentially all my apps are carrying the same patch of the OS with them...

Anyway about 80% of my previous fragmentation issues were solved with ICS. The remaining 20% though, are the truly hard ones!

[dead] sebbi
You don't have to have 30+ devices. The emulator is perfect for testing different form factors and if you want speed, just install (or use the live cd option) Androidx86 in VirtualBox and test there ...

As for bugs because of timing differences: if you have these kind of problems, that's not the fault of the plattform.

As for quality of applications, I have to agree. Some ports are just lazy and don't even begin to use all the possibilities of Android. And yes, I am looking at you Facebook & Twitter!

theSuda
I guess these numbers will increase as mobile vendors provide better ROMs with their mobiles. I bought a LG Optimus one to get started on Android (a year ago)and I got sick of its LG ROM in two weeks flat. Then I rooted it and put a custom ROM from XDA forums (with a custom optimised Kernel). I couldn't be more happier with my mobile's performance than this. Also I hear some new models of LG, HTC, Samsung have minimal default apps and lightweight ROMs now. So people don't have to be frustrated with un-removable built in apps and crap default home launchers. This will certainly get usability freaks (like me) interested.
rjd
Does anyone else look at these numbers and instantly think of the shear volume of waste?

With iphones thats a well over million per day. With most people already owning a phone thats a lot of superseded devices to deal with. Thats a lot of chemical waste...

cryptoz
I think the vast majority of these users are probably on their first smartphone. For example, Android is huge in African countries where families who've never owned a computer are starting to sign up for cheap 3G plans with cheap Android phones.

I bet there's a lot of waste, but I also bet that it's nothing compared to the waste from old American cars driving around and polluting. Think of what these new cheap smartphones mean for humanity - the ability for entire populations to pop on the internet that never have before, read wikipedia, etc. Surely that is worth the waste it is producing.

rjd
I wasn't really referring to the 'carbon footprint' if thats why you brought cars into it. I was more referring to things like PCBs and batteries, and the chemical processes used in refining these things. Toxic and harmful chemicals appearing in ecosystems they shouldn't... when things like cell phones don't get reprocessed properly.
troll24601
The good news is that services like gazelle, Amazon Buyback, eBay Instant Sale and Verizon Trade-in are making it more likely that old phones get sold and kept in use, instead of rotting in a drawer until they're tossed into the household waste.
swombat
There are plenty of toxic chemicals in car manufacturing. Hell, cars (particularly old ones) produce these toxic chemicals continuously while you drive them! Smart phones are a hell of a lot less toxic than cars.

As for the comparative benefits, we could argue until the cows come home - both products are insanely useful and life-changing - but if we simply declared them equally useful, that would make phones a better bargain due to the much smaller amounts of toxicity.

jonknee
There are 4.6 billion mobile phone owners. A million a day isn't a lot.
tintin
This is exactly the reason why I keep my mobile as long as possible (years). It is a shame to see all the waste we ship to counties like Ghana and Nigeria and call it recycling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_waste

therobotking
I used to upgrade my phone once every ~5 years too. Until iOS/Android phones came out things didn't really change much. Sure they got thinner, bigger/colour screens, higher MP cameras, etc. but the functionality was pretty much SMS/MMS, voice calls/mail, photos/videos and that was it. If you were happy with the camera you had and the size of the screen there was very little reason to upgrade beyond fashion.

Now, however, the smart phone I bought last year is struggling to run the latest applications due to it's low CPU speed, if I didn't know how to install my own ROMs (and most people don't) I would be stuck on Android 2.1 and that means I couldn't run a lot of the newer apps. Newer phones have actual useful features being added like HDMI-out, NFC, better battery technology, etc.

krashidov
I've been thinking about this a lot recently and it seems like a big concern to me. Ideally, consumer products should last a person for more than a couple of years but with smartphones the product life is about two years.

I wonder how long we can go at this rate until our rare-earth minerals start reaching alarming levels.

pbreit
I'm sure the number is accurate and kudos to Google but, wow, who the heck is activating all these devices? From the people I run into I would estimate the iOS:Android ratio at 10 or 20 to 1 (San Francisco).
gbog
Observation biais.

Estimations from China:

- In my office, a Web company: Android vs iOS is maybe 30 - 70

- In the subway, Android vs iOS is more like 80 - 20.

akashshah
In my team, in the last 3 months, 6 people have bought Androids vs 2 buying the iphone 4s
buster
In my team it's currently about even, but more and more switch over to Android. 1 year ago i was the only guy with an Android phone. Now it's even.
bane
My day job we have 2 holdouts still using iOS, the rest went BB->iOS->Android. 2 of us went BB->Android direct and based on our experiences we eventually converted the rest.

At a contract site I work at, out of 15 people on the team, only 1 has an iOS, the rest have some kind of Android variant (with 1 having a BB) two have switched from iOS to Android in the last 12 months. I wouldn't say there's significant peer pressure to switch, they just go to the store and end up with an Android device, so I expect carrier pressure is the source.

An inspection of the rest of the organization (about 500 people), shows it to be about 70/20/10 Android/BB/iOS.

At my startup we're 100% Android, but considering getting a couple iOS devices for development, but not day-to-day usage.

I have 3 friends who are Apple diehards, you'll get their iDevices out of their cold dead hands. But the rest are currently Android users, with one switching up phones every so often just to see what the other side has.

Coffee shops and trains around here (D.C.) show mostly Android phones and iPads. Very rare to see an Android tablet in the wild. iPhones are not too uncommon, but seem to belong to the younger, hipper crowd.

sunkencity
How are they certain it's not 400' doing a factory restore or rom flush?
samstave
That is only 10,000 years before all of humanity has one...
divtxt
I think you mean 10,000 DAYS (which is still 27.4 years).
divtxt
Android is taking off here in India because it's creeping into the low-end. I'm sure the same thing is happening in most countries.

Last week I got a Samsung Galaxy Y. It's small, sturdy, has swype input and has great battery life. Gmail, reader & facebook over 3G or wifi.

The price: just $140!!!

I used to try high-end phones and then go back to low-end Nokias. Now, I'm not going back to my $40 Nokia and I'm definitely not going to pay $700+ for an iPhone that won't even have Swype.

edit: extra sentence

tluyben2
A lot of people are buying, just for the hell of it, Androids from Chinese outlets like Aliexpress as well. Those are not brands, but they are really cheap; so cheap you don't care at all if they break/fall (I don't agree with that sentiment, but I know a lot of people do). There are Android 2.3 pads there for $50 (not to mention hackable Linux phone watches). Now if only you could upgrade Android without restrictions.

And, while there still is crisis everywhere, I see people selling them here on markets; they buy them from Alibaba in sets of 20-50 and sell them on a sunday market to 'fortunate but not as fortunate to pay for a $140 phone'.

Edit: added Linux phone watch, disclaimer; never tried one, but a friend did and he says it's great fun for tinkering.

codex
Android is the new Nokia: the lowest common demonimator phone; the default. Or, to cross realms, it's the new Windows. While Apple costs carriers a pretty penny, carriers get a share of the advertising revenue from Android based web searches, and they can preinstall whatever carrier apps they want on their Android devices, unlike on the iPhone.
bad_user
Don't get me wrong, but this argument sounds like sour grapes. Another way to look at it is that Android is an open platform that people install on anything they want. And if it's open for users, then it's also open for carriers, which goes without saying.

Also, if low common denominator phones are anything like my Galaxy S, then Apple is screwed ;)

jorgecastillo
"open for users" this is not true, for all intents and purposes, Android is as open for users as iOS, but unlike Android iOS is not full of bloatware from the carriers. If you want to get the most out of your Android phone, you have to install community mods no different from an iPhone. My phone costed $3000 MXN and it was paid in cash, and I feel it was no worth it. I just hope one day (when my warranty expires) my phone gets a mod, because right now my phone is not supported. My next phone is certainly not going to an Android one. If you have the cash go for an iPhone, if you don't maybe Windows Phone is better?

P.S. Android is definitely the Windows of the smartphone world, but unlike on PC you can't replace it with the OS of your choice.

bad_user
With iOS:

* there are no phone models available that allow to root your device without jailbreaking, a process that voids your warranty

* you cannot install software from third-party sources, unless you jailbreak it

* as a developer you cannot distribute software from your website, unless you want to limit yourself to nerds that have jailbroken their device

* you cannot build your own device with iOS on it

* certain classes of software, like phone number blacklists, are banned from the iTunes store, but are allowed on the Android Marketplace

* the source code for iOS is not available. This means no forks are possible (e.g. the Kindle Fire)

PS: don't confuse openness with convenience. Unlike Windows, if Google is doing such a poor job, you can always fork it, which is why Google has to play nice. Also, I love my Galaxy S and I only paid $100 for it. And I also own an iPhone 3GS which is gathering dust.

tobylane
Android is full of possibilities, but the carriers are often the ones doing something with this, making it worse for the majority of users. If every Android user got the next version as quickly as iOS users get their next version, and it was as clean as Google wanted, their phones would be massively improved.
nmridul
Do you really have to depend on your carrier ? Most of the phones are available in the open market, with a higher price tag.
damptrousers
Nonsense. We've been hearing apple is screwed for 10 years now. That's idiotic. Apple doesn't have to own the market, and if you believe the Galaxy S is going to convert iPhone fans, you're nuts.
bad_user
I was an iPhone fan until I got my Galaxy S. Don't I count? Do you want pictures of me holding both phones?

    Apple doesn't have to own the market
Are you sure you're replying to the right comment? Are you talking to me? What I find truly idiotic is the myopia (some) Apple fans are capable of.
sipefree
I'm a dev. I carry an iPhone 4 and a Galaxy S.

I hate the Galaxy S.

Disproven by counterexample.

nmridul
Comparing iphone 4 to Galaxy S is like comparing apples and oranges. Care to compare your iphone to Galaxy S2 ?
16s
That's roughly 250 million per year.