Damn, my personal details already got hacked because I dared use this scary nazi provider! can't wait for the next leak by some politically charged hacktivist group as a result of this news
They still haven't got the message -- get the hell off our internet.
Be very suspicious of anyone preaching "free speech" -- scratch them and you'll find a fascist, nearly every time. Uniform free speech is one of those things like "the law forbids rich and poor alike from sleeping on park benches and under bridges". In a regime where anyone can say nearly anything, those with power will have their words considerably amplified compared to those without. This distorted vision of freedom of expression is pretty much exclusive to the USA, which has white supremacy as a founding value and should not be a model for emulation.
Free speech is fine. The problem with kiwi farms is that instead of using the internet to communicate they were attempting to use it to enforce norms by harassing people. Whether it's antifa trying to bring about its anarcho/communist revolution or "nazis" trying to keep people from transitioning doesn't matter.
People talking about this are approaching it the wrong way.
IMO the problem with kiwi farms isn't that they're far Right. A far Left forum should (and probably would) face the same consequences if it behaved the same way; it's being abusive. Spammers get kicked off the internet for the same reason. Don't abuse the network and you'll be allowed to say pretty much whatever you want.
Indeed. The network now interprets harassment as noise and filters it out.
This violates a few assumptions about "end to end" and the network as a dumb carrier, but in reality this is nothing new. ISPs have taken it upon themselves to enforce copyright law at the packet level as well.
The net will become a safer, more pleasant place in spite of the network oldbies who whinge about "muh end to end" and "muh freeze peach online".
> This violates a few assumptions about "end to end" and the network as a dumb carrier, but in reality this is nothing new. ISPs have taken it upon themselves to enforce copyright law at the packet level as well.
> The net will become a safer, more pleasant place in spite of the network oldbies who whinge about "muh end to end" and "muh freeze peach online".
This is a horrifying proposition and would set a dangerous precedent.
ISPs already have a history of over-reaching and acting in bad faith. Do you really want to live in a world where no one in states like Texas can access healthcare resources (e.g., abortion) because someone in government or at the ISP decided that material was unsafe or unpleasant? People tend to forget that granting broad powers for something they support means it can be used for something they don't support down the line.
Good, unless kiwi farms starts sharing child porn I'm not going to oppose their continued existence just because they say shit against my interests, keffals wants to keep denying the truth and the left hates free speech.
Before this shitshow I very much did not care if kiwi died but what's going on has gone too far, it's overstated but so is the extremely stupid action in question, a pandora's box was opened... again and it will screw all of us over because the elites are listening, hell some of them are involved in this disaster.
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[ 156 ms ] story [ 1034 ms ] threadBe very suspicious of anyone preaching "free speech" -- scratch them and you'll find a fascist, nearly every time. Uniform free speech is one of those things like "the law forbids rich and poor alike from sleeping on park benches and under bridges". In a regime where anyone can say nearly anything, those with power will have their words considerably amplified compared to those without. This distorted vision of freedom of expression is pretty much exclusive to the USA, which has white supremacy as a founding value and should not be a model for emulation.
IMO the problem with kiwi farms isn't that they're far Right. A far Left forum should (and probably would) face the same consequences if it behaved the same way; it's being abusive. Spammers get kicked off the internet for the same reason. Don't abuse the network and you'll be allowed to say pretty much whatever you want.
This violates a few assumptions about "end to end" and the network as a dumb carrier, but in reality this is nothing new. ISPs have taken it upon themselves to enforce copyright law at the packet level as well.
The net will become a safer, more pleasant place in spite of the network oldbies who whinge about "muh end to end" and "muh freeze peach online".
> The net will become a safer, more pleasant place in spite of the network oldbies who whinge about "muh end to end" and "muh freeze peach online".
This is a horrifying proposition and would set a dangerous precedent.
ISPs already have a history of over-reaching and acting in bad faith. Do you really want to live in a world where no one in states like Texas can access healthcare resources (e.g., abortion) because someone in government or at the ISP decided that material was unsafe or unpleasant? People tend to forget that granting broad powers for something they support means it can be used for something they don't support down the line.
Before this shitshow I very much did not care if kiwi died but what's going on has gone too far, it's overstated but so is the extremely stupid action in question, a pandora's box was opened... again and it will screw all of us over because the elites are listening, hell some of them are involved in this disaster.