Serious question:
How is Tesla legally allowed to beta test machines capable of killing on pedestrians who are none the wiser and have no business with Tesla?
The fatal crashes might have been Tesla's passengers, but the article doesn't specify. The question still stands though.
Tesla/Elon fans will tell you because human drivers also kill alot of people therefore we should also let robots kill people because as long as they statistically kill less people than human drivers they are therefore "safer", so it's fine to let them kill people as well, otherwise it's a double standard if only the human drivers are allowed to kill people and the product of their favorite mega corporation and meme lord is not allowed to kill just as many people while trying to learn how do drive.
So now you have humans and robots out to kill you on the streets. What a time to be alive.
It's not so easy because money is fungible. Instead of buying a rich person gokart you could buy an F-150 which will protect you the old school way (with lots of mass and metal around you).
And have money to spare to order an Uber if you are too high/drunk to drive. And you can also select the Uber with the greatest mass/height and metal around you
We end up having to ban accounts that won't stop doing this. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
Can you tell us what threshold for self-driving cars is allowable then? Half the rate of human drivers? One-tenth? And explain why they are expected to be better.
Jaywalking was invented as a crime to put the blame on the pedestrian rather than the car/driver. There was a huge lobby by automobile manufacturers to change the status quo and transfer liability.
Because people want to use it, are using it, and there needs to be a force to stop them from using it. If the risks are not absurd, people simply don't care.
The same could be said about driving in general (which kills over 100 people on an average day just in the US). People either underestimate or don't care how dangerous driving is.
Part of it is that Tesla lies about the safety of these things. We still haven’t gotten to the bottom of the switching off the FSD right before a crash scam.
Another part is that their legal team will aggressively attack anyone online suggesting their cars are anything but perfect.
> subsidizing electric vehicles does not automatically involve self driving. those are completely independent technologies.
Are you sure you’re replying to the correct thread? I’m not sure who you are trying to correct because no one here even implied something counter to your statement.
From the article(and a comment): From the table the vehicle was stopped and struck on the right side at the time of the accident. Not quite sure what ADAS has to do with it, unless it is FSD Beta and put the vehicle in a dangerous position which seems unlikely.
I don’t know why people assume FSD or autopilot is some kind of magic. Same as seatbelts statistically speaking they will save a lot more lives than they will claim.
The U.S. National Highway Transportation Safety Administration rates all cars for safety and shows that Teslas are statistically extremely safe cars (www.nhtsa.gov). The Institute for Highway Safety rates several Tesla models as top safety picks as well (https://www.iihs.org/ratings/top-safety-picks/2022/all/tesla...).
I don’t think we will see independently reported data anytime soon.
Anecdotally the features in a Tesla make them ridiculously safer over any other car I have driven. My Model 3 has saved me from a collision numerous times.
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[ 7.5 ms ] story [ 77.4 ms ] threadThe fatal crashes might have been Tesla's passengers, but the article doesn't specify. The question still stands though.
So now you have humans and robots out to kill you on the streets. What a time to be alive.
And have money to spare to order an Uber if you are too high/drunk to drive. And you can also select the Uber with the greatest mass/height and metal around you
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32756292 (Sept 2022)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32718712 (Sept 2022)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32280825 (July 2022)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21875253 (Dec 2019)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21143693 (Oct 2019)
We end up having to ban accounts that won't stop doing this. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
In which case you are holding Tesla to an impossible standard, which we don't hold human drivers do.
Another part is that their legal team will aggressively attack anyone online suggesting their cars are anything but perfect.
The fact is, being a pedestrian has become far more dangerous now due to texting and large SUVs, always be vigilant.
Regulators turned a blind eye and government subsidies fed the monster in the pursuit of clean energy policies.
Are you sure you’re replying to the correct thread? I’m not sure who you are trying to correct because no one here even implied something counter to your statement.
Anecdotally the features in a Tesla make them ridiculously safer over any other car I have driven. My Model 3 has saved me from a collision numerous times.