The guy running the clubhouse recording is pretty insufferable in my opinion. It’s a neat gimmick but I wouldn’t call it useful. Ro acts like associating strings with an IP address is novel and useful in a way that no other Web 2.0 app is.
The pitch also rests on a flawed assumption that IP addresses uniquely identify a person, which is definitely not true. A VPN or a public network are common counterexamples.
If anything, I think this serves as a useful reflection of the data that we leave on websites when we visit them. Not that most of us didn’t already know that, but this is more in your face.
An IP address uniquely identifies a person. -- I never claimed to the contrary.
This serves as a useful reflection of the data we leave on websites -- totally true but I think it's actually superior than alternatives for sharing useful things like links! :)
If you find UI and noise insufferable like I do, you would appreciate how beneficial something like this is at requiring someone to submit something either no quality, or high quality.
So at around the 2:19:00 mark in this recording [1] you mention that the app is a “business card”. But a business card has a unique identity attached to it, verified by the act of handing it to someone else.
An IP address can never be a business card because it fails to uniquely identify a person. If you’re sharing a VPN exit node with 10 people, there is no way to differentiate them on that tool.
You also mention around that same time that the tool can be used to prove that you know something. This isn’t exactly true. You can prove that you’re on the same network as the person who knows some information but that’s not as strong a knowledge claim.
One way you could get around this issue (although still not 100% foolproof) is browser fingerprinting. Your identity is the hash of your browser fingerprint.
>One way you could get around this issue (although still not 100% foolproof) is browser fingerprinting. Your identity is the hash of your browser fingerprint.
Congratulations. You just conflated the user-agent for the user.
Stop. Doing. That.
People are flesh and blood.
Browser fingerprints are bundles of configuration and hardware quirks, that if we actually implemented browsers correctly, would not even allow you access to half the API's that are otherwise exposed without actively notifying the user and asking the user for permission while making it clear that most of said activity is essentially a way to offload computation burden for the "developer's" benefit.
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[ 3.8 ms ] story [ 39.8 ms ] threadBasically a twitter replacement but better!
Search for string (leunte): http://192.241.136.237/leunte
Reverse search: http://192.241.136.237/::ffff:73.253.171.157
This is an open source project and you can find the code on the discord: https://discord.gg/yxfuYr8eD4
You really have to add a description, otherwise I'd be seen as a random output of text and dismissed in less than a minute.
The pitch also rests on a flawed assumption that IP addresses uniquely identify a person, which is definitely not true. A VPN or a public network are common counterexamples.
If anything, I think this serves as a useful reflection of the data that we leave on websites when we visit them. Not that most of us didn’t already know that, but this is more in your face.
I agree with what you claim in that:
This is not novel -- I never claimed it to be.
An IP address uniquely identifies a person. -- I never claimed to the contrary.
This serves as a useful reflection of the data we leave on websites -- totally true but I think it's actually superior than alternatives for sharing useful things like links! :)
If you find UI and noise insufferable like I do, you would appreciate how beneficial something like this is at requiring someone to submit something either no quality, or high quality.
An IP address can never be a business card because it fails to uniquely identify a person. If you’re sharing a VPN exit node with 10 people, there is no way to differentiate them on that tool.
You also mention around that same time that the tool can be used to prove that you know something. This isn’t exactly true. You can prove that you’re on the same network as the person who knows some information but that’s not as strong a knowledge claim.
One way you could get around this issue (although still not 100% foolproof) is browser fingerprinting. Your identity is the hash of your browser fingerprint.
[1] https://www.clubhouse.com/room/MEw5VVvd
Congratulations. You just conflated the user-agent for the user.
Stop. Doing. That.
People are flesh and blood.
Browser fingerprints are bundles of configuration and hardware quirks, that if we actually implemented browsers correctly, would not even allow you access to half the API's that are otherwise exposed without actively notifying the user and asking the user for permission while making it clear that most of said activity is essentially a way to offload computation burden for the "developer's" benefit.