Ask HN: How do you work on your mental health?

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In the spirit of the season (you know, new year, new goals, temporary motivation that might last 10-20 days), I'd like to ask what all of you are doing or would like to do to improve your mental health. Are there any particular things you've noticed work for you that have made a meaningful difference? Any new ideas that you've read about that you'd like to try?

Personally, I'm experimenting with the idea of automated personal/positive affirmations based on something I read in the book "Indistractable":

> For example, short text messages providing words of encouragement are effective at helping smokers quit. A metastudy of interventions form ten countries found that "the evidence provides unequivocal support for the efficacy of text messaging interventions to reduce smoking behavior.

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Daily yoga and tantra.
Daily jogging, healthy diet, and meditation make the biggest difference to me.

The biggest change I'd like to make would be to defeat my social media and entertainment addiction - not even entirely, just contain it to a 2-hour window every evening. I keep failing at that, but there were weeks/months when I was successful, and it made an enormous difference, way more than I expected.

I can recommend trying out the "wim hof method" - he talks quite a lot of pseudoscience woo nonsense, but the daily cold exposure and breathwork have been extremely beneficial to me.

meditation, ashwaghanda and really working on improving your sleep quality are probably also good moves.

I like https://o-p-e-n.com/: breathing, meditation, physical exercise But mainly it's been about paying attention to what gave me energy vs was draining, etc.
Of all the things I’ve tried, the most effective have been regular exercise and prioritizing creative output over media consumption.
I'd recommend starting with identifying areas of your life that you want to actively work on improving. In other words, take an hour and zoom out to look at your life as a whole, and decide which areas of your life you want to zoom back in on to actively work on.

One format for doing this is "the wheel of life". There are lots of templates and online guides, but here's one place to start:

https://scottjeffrey.com/wheel-of-life/

I recommend this because people often set goals like "I want to start going to the gym" without connecting that to some larger vision for how you actually want your life to change as a result.

Therapy, exercise, eating well, working on things that are fulfilling (in my free time)
Surprised no one is saying... I don't.
I think those who don't probably don't reply? Or even click on this link just to say they don't.
Why don't you? Is it something you'd like to do or think could be helpful/valuable?
I keep a detailed daily diary in excel that has a rating system for how I feel in am and pm and any new supplements or medications I take, exercise etc. Your mind changes with whatever you do and a written record you can interrogate later is the only way to improve how you feel and see what works and what did not.

I’ve tried almost all supplements and they all have a negative effect when taken for more than a few days. Things that work for me and make me feel better- low dose testosterone replacement 35 mg x 2 per week, 50 mg prescription Viagra every night, one long run per week of 5 miles. My life is night and day different on or off this regimen. Off, the world is gray and joyless, I feel like Bilbo Baggins when he describes feeling like “too little butter over too much bread.” On this regimen, I feel joy and alive. I feel hope.

I use an app called Daylio for journaling and keeping a log of my mood and activities. It has weekly, monthly and yearly reports built-in. And it helps keeping up with my goals.
I feel like I've done it all but the only thing that has made a difference for me is the amount of time I get to spend with friends. When I have mental stuff now I don't take it seriously, instead I treat it as a generic signal to hang out with people more.
I don't remember ever having a mental breakdown. I am rarely "happy" but I am 100% satisfied with my life.
Moderation in everything. Eat healthy, sleep, and exercise. Seek nature, and cultivate healthy relationships with friends and family.
when you feel {emotion} immediately say {your_name} is feeling {emotion}

go through the reasons in you head why. over time you will understand what drives it.

this may help you react the way you want vs. the way you have historically

{emotion} —> anger, anxiety, anything else deemed negative

Vipassana meditation. It's pretty great.
Excercise, eat properly and sleep. You won't find a better answer, no matter how you differentiate your question.
No need to be reductive. There's lots of other ways people improve their mental health, like cutting toxic people out of their life, or going to therapy.
Or leaving a job that makes them miserable. I have friends with great eating and fitness habits but their jobs makes them unhappy.
Meditation; checking in with myself; drink lots of water; focus on personal development; self-debriefs via voice memo; physical fitness; yoga; self-expression, communication and assertiveness; good diet; avoiding too many toxins: alcohol/caffeine/tobacco/processed foods; do stuff I like; always find a way; win from any position; focus on choices and responsibility not playing the fake-victim; celebrate wins, enjoy moments, have laughs; :) fitter, happier, more productive--haha last one kidding!--I'm not successful enough to be a cynic :p :) xx ;p
I'm interested to know a bit more about your self-debriefs. What is the format? Are you reflecting back on specific events, or is this a daily practice?
Also want to add: follow my heart; use my intuition and instinct--these ones are so transparent and at-home and familiar to me I sometimes forget to say them! :) -- ask for help from friendlies; you're never really alone, help's always available if you ask, especially from unexpected sources. :)
I seem to get a lot of benefits from power training combined with cardio, cardio on itself doesn't seem to give me equally strong mental health benefits.
Exercise, sleep, modest portions of good food, rewarding hobbies.

Not that any of it ever permanently fixes my deeper issues with anxiety or depression: I have to run/exercise every morning to feel really good and ready for the day. But I think that's the deeper point: it's the good habits that make life bearable and even (sometimes) enjoyable.

I would say I have good mental health. That was not always the case. A number of things have turned the tide for me.

1. I found some "active" shit I legitimately enjoyed doing: playing music, writing, walking, iyengar yoga

2. I walk a lot

3. I do yoga intensely once a week

4. I keep a journal

5. I learned how to manage my emotions from a powerful book called "The Anger Management Workbook for Men" by Aaron Karmin, and embracing it changed my life and enriched it in ways I absolutely never could have predicted

6. I have found a couple of communities that I am a part of

None of this stuff happened overnight, but the shift into the right direction started occurring a lot more quickly than I expected, and the not feeling like complete shit all the time, the extremely poor and sometimes very destructive coping mechanisms, they are a work in progress, but I am so much closer to my ideals than I could have expected in such a short time.

If I had to pick one to recommend, it would easily be the Karmin book. Best investment I've ever made.

I'm building a virtual pet that couples a daily check-in routine with gamification techniques. It's goal is to help me be excited to journal, self-reflect, and track where I'm at with my mental/emotional regulation.

I tend to go through periods where I do a little too well with everything, take on too much, get overwhelmed, then fall down for a bit before I decide I have the ability to care again. The best thing I can do for my mental health is be more consistent and mindful such that I grow continuously rather than follow boom/bust cycles.

So, I'm building that to help! :)

Other than that, everything else everyone is saying is good. Exercise, diet, companionship, self-awareness. I've just never found lack of familiarity of the good things to be the limiting factor. For me, it's always just about convincing myself I can do it, and it's worth doing continually, whenever I fall off the wagon. My own brain is its own worst enemy that loves to overthink things rather than stick to what's clearly working. Then, I do the things, and all the fears melt away, confidence appears in bounds, motivation grows with the confidence, and we're back in the race called life.

I'm currently struggling with parenting an 18 month old child as an introvert. As a 50 year old first-time parent who had the benefit of lots of quiet alone time for literally decades, and possibly got a bit too used to it. :/

My sanity is eroding and I hit a wall every day. I also found that I don't have time anymore to keep up with technological developments like I used to, which is unfortunately eroding my value as a developer, so now I'm looking into hybrid PM/management/developer roles.

It gets better!

My youngest is now 3 and I'm slowly getting more time for myself (and to be with my wife). She goes potty on her own, she can play on her own for 15 minutes and not demand anything, and we don't worry about her climbing the shelfs or playing with knives.

It's still hard, of course, but so much better than 1 year ago.

I don't have any advice that you haven't heard a million times already, but:

1. Carve out time for yourself. Work with your partner so each of you gets 1 hour of uninterrupted time to yourselves per day.

2. Sleep when you can. If you try to be productive while tired, you will fail. Better to spend the time sleeping.

3. Be present with your partner. You're going through this together so you should go through it together. Share stories and feelings. And make sure to give an appropriate amount of hugs, kisses, and encouragement (especially if you're not feeling it).

4. Hang in there and enjoy the ride as much as you can.

5. And again, remember that it gets better!

[p.s.: Obviously this is 10x harder if you're a single-parent. I don't have that experience, so I can't offer anything except admiration and encouragement.]

Fortunately not a single parent. Fortunately JUST got him into an excellent daycare for the weekdays at least (we had a nanny who was far more expensive and caused us quite a bit of stress). Thanks for the tips, I actually haven't gotten many because my parents either passed or moved away, her parents are far away, and until I had a kid I was surrounded mainly by childless couples.

Also, I don't know if every parent just completely forgets what the first 3 years are like (maybe the lack of sleep prevents long-term memory formation? lol) but every parent I've run into whose kids are now older than 5 seem to have completely forgotten everything about the first 3 years - for example, one of them offered my kid a whole Dorito a few months ago (choking hazard, not many teeth in yet, etc.!) and I was like WHOA WAIT A MINUTE, DON'T YOU REMEMBER?!

I think we forget.
My partner and I recently had our second child. The biggest difference we noticed is related to our better acceptance of that child’s needs. With the first one, we always tried to look for signs of autonomy, much too early. Everything is more peaceful when we accept to let go. I’m not fixing things in the house. Every thing I give up is a liberation. Being a father more or less makes up for the self image forced and embraced update.
Yes, I already am letting go of a lot (I can't, for example, remember the last time I got my car washed), but my partner continues to take on time-ful or effort-ful things that I consider "expendably unnecessary" (such as at least half of the cleaning/sanitizing she does- despite me emphasizing that the Hygiene Hypothesis is probably real) and is stressing both of us out anyway. My office is a mess that has needed cleaning for over a year. Etc.

We probably won't be having (or able to have) a second child (not to mention that time and energy for the basic biological prerequisites here are non-existent, I have no friggin idea how other parents have a second so soon after the first) but we are probably making the mistake(s) you mentioned about your first one.

We had a second fairly soon after but we were in our early-mid 30s. By 50 your natural energy levels are probably much lower already. It can be grueling but they get easier in my mind every day. At 4 years old my older kid is quite independent and funny. I can just ask her to play and have a snack and go to the bathroom while I clean my office or whatever. Daycare also means you will have actual alone time.

But it is best to accept that you are a parent first now. Not an introvert, engineer, whatever other nonsense you thought you were. You’ll have more time to yourself eventually but the first two years are tough!

> whatever other nonsense you thought you were

hah, oh man. If you only knew how (and how hard) I've tried to shove certain labels off me, only to have them almost karmically boomerang back to me, to the point where I practically screamed back to whatever powers-that-may-be, "OK, I'LL F***ING BE A CODER!" =)

(Computers and I were as much an intellectual version of "love at first sight" as can be imagined. But, like many loves, it was also burdensome for a time.)

But I will accept this ADDITIONAL first-order label of "Dad" ;)

It gets easier, my 3 year old is "all grown up" now. I actually already miss the baby phase, it happened so quick.

> keep up with technological developments like I used to, which is unfortunately eroding my value as a developer

Not sure why you think this is so, there hasn't been much change in the past few years. In any case, I don't think keeping up is important for seasoned developers. So you skip a few version of React and pick up the next shiny thing that comes in a few years, I don't think it really matters.

I've been trying to learn Nix, NixOS (incl. writing my own derivations and learning Nix Flakes, which is still quite new), convert my dotfiles to a declarative Home Manager config, learn how to deploy a Nixified Phoenix app now that I learned how to nixify my web app, play with Phoenix's LiveView (which has already been out for a while), play with Elixir's Nx library for machine learning stuff, play with https://livebook.dev/ which now has ML hooks, come up with a use case for GraphQL so I can at least stick it on a resume (I understand it in principle but not in practice), make Bash saner by writing my own testing library for it which still needs polishing so it is incredibly easy to include in another bash script https://github.com/pmarreck/tinytestlib, code a Discord bot to DJ my cross-country gaming sessions with a best friend (I have one working but I need to hack on it more), learn more about ZFS and tuning it (I boot off it), stay on top of Linux developments, stay on top of Postgresql developments (perhaps investigating immutable-data/event-log schemes that play nice with it to maybe work with a security audit requirement in an app I'm responsible for)... find cool new electronica via the recommendation engines out there...

AND THAT'S JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. ;)

Right, I understand, and it's really really cool, but something's got to give chief. It boils down to time management and priorities I guess. Think of all the important stuff you had on your plate 10 years ago and how many are relevant now. For me personally, if I don't need it for my day job it gets lower in priority.
I try to learn new stuff every week, and i try practicing a new sport every year (i go to an adult sport camp for a week every year basically).
Meditation when I feel like it, in the Soto Zen style.

There seems to be a popular perception of the mind as a thing with many knobs and dials that has a tendency to get out of whack and require servicing by a qualified professional. It's really not.

There are a probably infinite number of things that can outright go wrong with a brain, resulting in an equal infinity of fascinating symptoms that are rightly in the domain of the medical profession. However, like other parts of the body of which the same can be said, those things are unlikely to be wrong you. Most "mental health" issues are not of that nature, but fall into one of two categories:

1. Suffering because something external is actually affecting you. Eg. If you're suffering mentally because you are in an abusive relationship or because you hate your job it's not fundamentally a mental health issue but something you need to straighten out in your life. If you can't you will continue to suffer in some way however much therapy you get. This can of course lead to problems of type 2.

2. Self-created (or self-exacerbated) problems. Pathological mental systems, misunderstandings of the world and your part in it, unhealthy cycles of self doubt and self torment, etc.

Problems of type 2 are very real, but they don't mean there is something wrong with you. Everybody experiences these things to some extent and learning to escape from them is part of learning to be a functioning adult. By far the most important technique to learn is letting go of things. You cannot prevent ideas from entering your mind, but whether you let them remain is ultimately up to you.

When something in your mind causes you suffering - a bad idea, an intrusive thought, a self-defeating behaviour, a necrotic value system, an unrequited love, etc - you can let go of it. Doing so is a physical act, not a mental one. It's not always easy. It can be extremely difficult, but it is always possible.

Meditation, as I see it, is physical practice at doing this. You simply sit and let go of whatever thoughts enter your mind, always returning to simple awareness of the present, your body (especially breathing and posture) and your surroundings. You cannot stop the thoughts entering your mind. They will continue. That is right. You are practising letting go of them when they do.

What you learn from this is that retaining thoughts is optional. You only need to pay any attention to the ones that do you some good. The physical ability to let go of the others is one of the most important skills you can acquire. It's worth practising.