Tell HN: From $200/mo to $18k in 5 years as solo founder

209 points by mddanishyusuf ↗ HN
I start making money when I was in my final year of Master Degree in 2017 at the age of 25. I’m sharing breakdown of 5-years earnings by year.

#2017 — $2,500 ($208 / month) Internship for US based company as a web developer with Angular.js

#2018 — $6,500 ($542 / month) I joined a full-time job as web developer in a company & was doing extra work in night as freelancer.

I quit my job in 8-months & moved to south India to building company of one.

#2019 — $24,691 ( $2058 / month ) I sold my first project that I build out of a GitHub repository for $22k and did some extra side work to make more money. From now, I stop taking freelance work and start exploring ideas in APIs software. In Nov, 2019 I build NoCodeAPI and Launched in Jan’2020 before covid.

#2020 — $42,124 ( $3,510 / month ) I grow my SAAS business nocodeapi to $2k MRR & built a small website with Twitter API in 11 hours and I sold that for $5k within a month.

#2021 — $153,609 ( $12,800 / month ) NoCodeAPI MRR $3.5k and sold two side project for $95k while growing my SAAS business.

#2022 — $216,433 ( $18,036 / month ) NoCodeAPI MRR grows to $5k and this got acquired for 6 figures.

#2023 — ? Currently, I’m building a new software to make apps with table data. → tableapps.io

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6 figures seems like a low ARR multiple, but maybe my perspective is skewed from very large acquisitions. What is a common multiple at this size?
5x ARR is normally SAAS software got acquired. According to me it's not that bad as a Solo founder.
For small acquisitions like that, I've seen rough multiples of 4–8x ARR.

So 6 figures makes sense for $5k MRR.

How/where did you sell your projects?
I use microacquire for this.
How did buyers perform due diligence?

I have surface level experience in the private equity industry and was surprised that there seems to be very, very little due diligence performed on sales through microacquire, so I'm building a due diligence platform for buyers and sellers doing those sorts of deals.

I'm curious about how your buyers performed due diligence.

They asked for data about product like customers, usage, roadmap, etc and they just chat about churn and growth percentage. This took me 15 days to finish.
Was it just through email? Did they verify any of the info you sent them?
microacquire - is there any way we can see/verify that it happened?

congrats btw

Yes, you can ask the founder "Andrew Gazdecki" or DM me on twitter (@mddanishyusuf) and I'll send you proof :)
Can you tell some more details? What was this API, how long did it take, what tech did you use, how much experience do you have?
Now that it has been acquired, is the purchaser planning to continue building it?

Did you have to enter a support agreement given you were a solo founder?

Yes, the product still growing well and they are adding more features.
This is super cool, congrats!

I run https://www.startups.fyi and feature profitable startups/side-projects along with revenue info (a lot of them are from solo-founders like yourself).

Would love to feature you if you're up for it?

Do you verify the figures reported? Also could you please add profit details
I noticed MRR is the key measure reported by startups. I've seen some startups in really saturated markets have very high MRR and it made me wonder if they're just spending $.99 of every $1 on ads so really they do not make any profit but high revenue. Can you comment on profit vs revenue?
Monthly recurring revenue typically corresponds with cashflow and cashflow pretty much rules the roost when thinking about useful metrics for a business. With sporadic, or unreliable, MRR you're going to have more risk because there's a higher likelihood of having a "down month" where you're forced to use savings or loans to cover expenses.
>> wonder if they're just spending $.99 of every $1

If they spend $0.99 for $1 of MRR, that is amazing, because the first month's revenue covers the cost of acquisition and the rest of the stream is profit (minus other expenses of course.)

Some of it depends on churn and how much MRR you lose and how quickly.

So it's a metric you can game if you go viral on Twitter and get a lot of signups that cancel after one month?
Not really, because MRR isnt the only metric.

We'd look at an objective function of LTV to CAC ratio.

We'd ignore everything below a certain absolute MRR.

We'd also ignore anything below a certain MRR growth rate.

The ones we'd typically look at as an investor are: MRR/ARR, Churn, CAC and TLV.

TLV would be total lifetime value which includes the monthly revenue * months given churn.

CAC would be the advertisement cost.

This basically means, how much $ are you spending to make what total $ per customer, and how what is the volume.

Just to dive into this, most advertising people are tracking "ROAS", Return on Ad Spend, so for every dollar you are spending in advertising, how much do you get back. Depending on your situation you may target different roas numbers and find it acceptable.
ROAS is a good operational metric, but I'd argue that for a SAAS, you need to look at CLV vs cost of acquisition.
I typically only see MRR numbers for "one man startups" because you see the number and compare it to your salary and go - Shit I can do that. I could've done that. Damnit!

MRR is meaningless in larger startups because for all intents and purposes would be eaten by the salaries in two seconds, unless it's huge. At any point it becomes reported as annual revenue.

Startups spend like $2-$5 per $1 of MRR, which is why they run out of runway and constantly need more investors.

Successful startups spend more like $1.25 per $1 of MRR.

Profit is for solo founders and bootstrapers.

congrats! 1. are your projects open source? 2. have you written about your experience working on these projects somewhere e.g. a blog post?
Thanks, Yes some of them are open source on GitHub(mddanishyusuf) and I write sometimes on my personal website mohddanish.me
How did you market NoCodeAPI once you had launched it?
ProductHunt was big push for my all projects and twitter.

And after that Google SEO, WOM.

Are you worried about copy cats on product hunt?
This is beyond impressive, considering you are still young. Clearly, you've skills to reuse rinse and repeat formula.
Thanks, Yes, I'm 30y old and will keep making software.
Awesome and inspiring work!! Did you create legal entities/companies around each product that you built, or did you have one legal entity that you still are in control of and just sold off the IP from (or a mixture of both)?
Yes, I have one roof for all my projects. mvpstack.io
Do you need help with tableapps.io? Sounds like a cool project.
Your website is very nice. Where did you hire designers?
Thanks, I design, I code, I sell, I market, I do everything my self.

I love designing.

I was very confused by this title. $18k in 5 years is $300/mo.
I can only imagine your lifestyle in India with $18,036 / month , that's probably the equivalent of making 60k a month in the US? Wish you the best, I'm inspired.
No, it's the equivalent of making ~$18,036 / month.

Do you think Mercedes makes a cheap version of an SLK for the "poor Indians"?

I make more than the OP and live in his/her part of the world. Luxury items are more expensive than they are in the US.

That bigger house you can afford? You're still paying US prices or higher for your furniture and appliances. Same goes for autos, edu, cars, wine, dining, etc.

Generally speaking, "poor countries" are only relatively cheaper in terms of labor and situationally, real estate. Your Merc will cost you, having it washed will be relatively cheap.

> Do you think Mercedes makes a cheap version of an SLK for the "poor Indians"?

they, do? Global pricing of the same product is vastly different depending on regions. If there is an Italian and a Nepalese market for a handbag, that same bag could selld for twice as much in Italy. Just look at videogame prices!

They don't. Not cars, not electronics, not house appliances. As was said elsewhere - these are more expensive in poorer countries, not cheaper. Maybe handbags/other apparel, but I don't buy that.

As someone coming from a poorer country, I'd check if it really is the same item - usually what happens is that they produce a cheaper version out of cheaper materials and with lesser service commitment that costs almost the same price (80-95%) as the better item in a rich country.

You cannot generalize every commodity and every 'poor country' like that. There are cars in Colombia that are less expensive in Colombia, and some that are more expensive in Colombia, than the U.S.

Similarly, I was shocked to find that scotch whiskey is actually cheaper in Colombia than the US, and it's the same product. The market is more competitive because discount liquor (especially rum) is decently good quality and reaaally cheap. It's also hard to sell someone a bottle that is half their monthly salary!

Of course, this doesn't hold for anything (and I frankly have no idea how supply chains work), but my point is that it's not as simple as made out above.

No, the same car is practically never less expensive in Colombia than in the US. There are few specialty items such as liquor, tobacco products or drugs where it's different - but that's about it. Certainly not cars, electronics, home appliances or anything else like that.
Interesting thing, that Mercedes cost more in Germany, than in USA. And a lof of the models, they actually assemble in Germany and ship to USA.
Biggest expenses are food and rent. Those aren’t cheaper in India?

Your point is taken, but like, I don’t have a monthly line-item for Mercedes.

I am entirely sure that like 90% of what my annual spending goes toward in a typical year would be a lot cheaper in India. Food, services (restaurants, childcare, cleaning, delivery, healthcare, barbers, dentists, and so on), housing.

I'm not buying tens of thousands of dollars of cars and high-end electronics per year. Or fancy clothes. I'm buying tens of thousands of dollars of services, housing, and food.

Yes, some car companies do in fact create less expensive vehicles specifically for certain markets.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Kwid

Not really applicable to premium brands so no need to be pedantic
The definition of premium shifts with the market. Subaru is premium auto in Colombia and they sell the XV instead of the Crosstrek, for example.
Went I left Russia in 2011, I was making 54,000 a year, I took my first job in the USA for about $92,000 a year. It felt like I took a huge pay cut. Like I was making several times less money.

Yes, it is easier to buy luxury things in United States, most of the things are cheaper, comparing to other countries (SLK, laptops, phones, etc). But that is not what defines the life.

If I remember everything correctly, below is break down of monthly spending Russia vs USA in that time. Based on my annual pay, my monthly salaries were $4,500 in Russia, $7,700 in USA

Let's compare (first number is spent in Russia, second in USA), everything per month. At that time I used to use the money-spent tracking software, so kind of remember pretty well most of the bills.

- Taxes: 7% (~$300) vs ~18% ($1386)

- Rent: $300 vs $1200

- Cellular: $20 vs $100 (2 people)

- Internet: $10 vs $60

- Medical: $0 vs $200 (co-pays, dentals, plus paying for spouse to keep her on the plan)

- Groceries: $300 vs $1000

- Cinema/Bars: $100 vs $300

- Commute: $20 vs $100

- Car insurance: $20 vs $100

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- What is left: $3430 vs $3254.

At the end, comparing the Russian's salary vs USA - based on just common spent, I ended up with a little less money to keep on hands. And it always felt like those money that left way easier to spend in USA without even looking. Clothes, shoes, concerts, etc.

For me, only when I started to get more than $250,000 a year in USA, I felt that I was making a salary, that I could compare to one I had in Russia.

Few notes: I lived not in the very big city, just around 600,000 people, so rent and everything way cheaper comparing to Moscow or St Petersburg. $54,000 a year is very high salary in Russia, not very common, I used to work remotely for UK based company.

P.S. I never regretted moving to USA (especially now), yes, it did feel like I was making less, but the companies I was working for, the products, the people, are on different level. I learned a lot. Built my own company, living American dream.

As someone who visited both US and Russia last year:

1. Taxes in Russia are actually higher. You forgot to include 30% Social Security tax, 20% VAT tax and import taxes, that make, for example, cars, clothes and every bit of electronics 50% more expensive. Now, because of the sanctions, it's 100% more expensive.

2. Rent depends on location, prices in Moscow are closer to $1000 range. And in the US you usually get larger, cleaner apartments, with more amenities.

3. Cellular and Internet are indeed much cheaper, but it's small amounts.

4. Healthcare is cheaper while you are young and healthy. If you have cancer, your life expectation will be 1/3 of that in the USA. And overall you will live 15 years less, that is, if you don't get mobilized.

5. Groceries are basically 1:1. Some items, like bread, are cheaper in Russia, but fresh fruit and vegs are more expensive.

1. That is true, I actually wanted to mention that, but forgot. If you work for a corporation, they pay a high percent of taxes for you, that you don't see. But if you work as sole proprietorship you pay 7% (or 0%, if nobody is going to report you).

2. Sorry, I would not agree to that. If you want to compare cities, Moscow should be compared to NY or SF, where for $1,000 you will get a corner in a garage, if you are lucky. :D

3. I don't know $200 a month is a large amount of money. In some countries it is a month living. I have not been in Russia for a while, and my knowledge is based on 10 years ago, but you can get a $50 Android phone with like $3/month service, that will have some internet, an be able to make calls and texts. In USA, I believe, the cheapest would be close to $20 a month? The same about internet, you can start with $3/month in Russia for home internet, but in USA it is going to be at least $40?

4. I mean current time is different, obviously. But free health care is a free health care. Based on the relatives (mom, dad, grandfather and grandmother), they got an ok health care. My dad has serious asthma, with oxygen tanks, and he is actually running from doctors more, than he should, they are always reminding him about checking with them in the hospital. My mom has diabetes, she get all the prescriptions for free. My grandfather died of cancer, I mean he got some treatment, probably not the best, but he stayed in the hospitals for a long time. He actually lived in Crimea, when it was part of Ukraine, and at the same time this state was very corrupt (probably now as well, don't know), but he still got a treatment. To be honest, I don't have much knowledge yet about how the treatment of serious illness is going to be in USA, but my guess that they will suck all your money first, and after that get your on medicare. That is my guess.

5. That is hard to compare. In Russia there are still local markets, which aren't exactly the same as US markets. In local markets you can buy groceries (fruits, veggies) from local farmers for cheaper than in the supermarket. In USA markets are all super-organic food, that even has higher prices than in supermarkets. And the cheapest fruids/veggies you can buy are wallmart-like stores, where everything not even fresh. In Russia people do eat meat less often, but veggies and fruits can be way cheaper than in USA.

I think living in developed countries like UK is cheaper than india. I was in UK for 15 days and I found it's way better than India and affordable.
I haven't been to india myself, but giving the UK as a low cost of living example is laughable
With all due respect, I find what you claim to be highly unlikely, if you are comparing lifestyle in downtown Delhi(or wherever rich people live) with a poor area in the UK, then maybe? But otherwise is crazy. If that were the case, companies wouldn't outsource to India, they will just hire locally then.
I see some people arguing that 18K in India is the same as elsewhere. Don't pay attention to that. 18K per month in India is HUGE and yes something things are equally expensive as other developed countries (e.g. buying an apartment in crazy expensive cities like Mumbai or Bangalore) but overall, the cost of living is much lower than western countries on average.

Source: An Indian-American (I don't like hyphens but in this case relevant for context) who frequently visits India and has business there as well.

18K USD is a LOT of money in India. Real estate in bigger Indian cities is super expensive. Everything else is much, much cheaper than western countries. You can get fantastic food (tasty and healthy) compared to the U.S, very cheap. Things can get much, much cheaper if you step out of the bigger cities.
More importantly, one can hire maids for everything: cooking, driving, babysitter, concierge doctor on-call, etc.
I can't even imagine, my yearly income is $8350, and I still manage to save money (Indian here as well)
I'd literally rather just get two jobs at mid series B startups or one Faang job. I completely don't understand why grinding out 5yrs for $18k a month is even close to worth it.
In another 5 years it could be $180k per month
Seriously? The jobs will make you work at least 8 hours a day on stuff you probably don't like, just to make the founders rich.

At least he has control of his time.

For one thing, you get to control your own time, but just as importantly, that $18k/month is an asset you can sell for ~$1mm.
they are not making 18K per month, it's just revenue (MRR), so you are right as employee you will earn much more (at least at that stage in US)
2 reasons:

1. They want to do their own things, controlling their own time and not work for someone else

2. 18K/Mo in a developing country like India is huge. Assuming that's revenue and profits are say at least 50% (usually higher for SAAS but I am being conservative), that income puts you in top 10% at the minimum.

Am I misreading or am I just learning the amount folks are earning on this site?

In what country is 18k/mo not huge? That was my annual salary in my last job! I need to move to America lmao

18k/Mo USD is huge everywhere, so yes correct. Even in America.
Stuff in America is expensive, post taxes that's not much more than you could earn "working" for 20hrs a week at a startup.
Maybe I'm a little thick today, but can someone explain what NoCodeApi does? I watched the video on the site and I still don't understand the value added here. Is it just proxying calls to various APIs?
You can change the project name and add members though. I concur, I also think it's just a proxy that hides the actual credentials from the user but I'm not 100% on that. I guess it doesn't matter though, they sold it for 100K+ so someone understood.
The thing is API is interesting things for developers, if you make super easy for all the people who don't know much about API then they love to try out API in simple way.

So, I add simplicity to this product and making super easy for people.

I wonder how different your financial & business situation would be if you lived in a developed country such as the US or the UK?
How did you acquire you first 100 users and how much did your popular twitter play into that?

How much for marketing spend, most profitable levers you used?

Good question. I just build a solution of a problem I was facing and I launch on ProductHunt and my twitter. People love the idea and I got 30k customers on the plateform with $0 marketing hack. I don't spend money on marketing because I'm not a big company.
I actually love your answer, contrast to a lot of hassle myths. Build a useful thing, put it out there, of course they would come.
The actual reality is that starting a company is very complex, and for every “rule” there’s a very successful company that did the opposite.

If your takeaway from this is that “build it and they will come” is a good go to market strategy, you’d be terribly wrong in the vast majority of cases. It worked in this case because it was a solution to a painful, concrete problem and the product hunt audience happened to be the right customer suffering from that problem.

My takeaway is don't be scare of "build it and they will come" meme too much because a lot of bad products that drive the meme.

Actually I think the meme is kinda dumb because they assume that people didn't read about it 1000 times already.

For nocodeapi how did you land Microsoft, google etc and what was the value prop over google?
I hope it was high six figures, because a product with that much recurring revenue that’s several years old should get at least 5x multiplier unless there’s something weird going on.
Nice bro. Wish u all the best
Great success, thanks for sharing!

Why did you sell now instead of building for a few more years? If you had hit $30-50k per month you probably could have sold it for enough to be financially independent for life. Were you bored or burned out? Or did growing it further require things that you didn’t want to do?

The project was growing that was required more people and more work. So, I decide building new things rather than hiring new team members.
Completely understand, I’d do the same if I couldn’t figure out how to scale and stay solo.