This is an utterly mad story - fully expected the episode to end with the developer getting arrested and going to jail. Sneaking onto the Apple campus for months to develop an App?!
This episode was very entertaining, something that I could believe happening back in the earlier days of computing (but not now), and is one of my favourite recent episodes.
For instance, I didn't see this make it into the corerecursive story:
> For example, at that time only about two hundred PowerPC chips existed in the world. Most of those at Apple were being used by the hardware design engineers. Only a few dozen coveted PowerPC machines were even available in System Software for people working on the operating system. We had two. Engineers would come to our offices at midnight and practically slip machines under the door. One said, "Officially, this machine doesn't exist, you didn't get it from me, and I don't know you. Make sure it doesn't leave the building."
Or, try the System 9 version of Graphing Calculator at https://macos9.app/ in the Macintosh HD -> Applications folder. It has a "Demo" menu if you want to see some of its capabilities.
Nice to see CoRecursive up here, probably my favourite tech related podcast. Really interesting to find out about less known things like SerenityOs (for me at least) and especially the stories of people facing difficulties in their work and how they managed to change up their lives are often captivating.
Host here. I’ve been on many projects that get canceled. We’re building cool stuff. We’re going above and beyond, and we’re excited. But the project encounters shifting priorities or budgeting constraints, and the work never goes anywhere. This is Ron's story of refusing to let that happen, sneaking onto the Apple campus to work, and as a result, getting his project onto millions of Apple Computers.
(It's been on hn before, but this version has new details and more back story)
A favorite part of mine:
Ron: Frequently people would come up to me and ask me, “Do you work here?”
And I’d just tell them no.
And they’d say, “Oh, that means you’re a contractor.”
And I’d say, “Actually, no.”
Then they’d say, “But then who’s paying you?”
And I’d tell them no one.
Then they’d ask, “How do you live?”
I’d say, “I live simply.”
And then they’d ask me, “What are you doing here?” And I’d give them a demo.
He was this long-haired kid, and he had a tablet (which was quite rare, back then).
What was cool, was watching him balance algebra equations. He'd drag a variable from one side of the formula to the other, and everything would sort itself out.
Every one of us was, like, "I wish I had this, when I was learning math!"
I also don't think he was actually one of the ATG people (I think they scooped him up, after that, though). He was in developer support, or something.
> I make the Golden Master hard disc. In a very real and pragmatic sense, I decide what does and does not ship on the machines
This is the high point of the story to me. Do we know who said that and what was their story? E.g. what made them approach the devs and were there any consequences?
The sense I got from Ron was that things were not well at Apple during that time. Layoffs were expected and people thought the company was going to collapse. So that person would have lost his job I'm sure, but also he may have assumed he was on the way out anyways.
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[ 4.1 ms ] story [ 65.3 ms ] threadThe Graphing Calculator Story https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dl643JFJWig
For instance, I didn't see this make it into the corerecursive story:
> For example, at that time only about two hundred PowerPC chips existed in the world. Most of those at Apple were being used by the hardware design engineers. Only a few dozen coveted PowerPC machines were even available in System Software for people working on the operating system. We had two. Engineers would come to our offices at midnight and practically slip machines under the door. One said, "Officially, this machine doesn't exist, you didn't get it from me, and I don't know you. Make sure it doesn't leave the building."
Or, try the System 9 version of Graphing Calculator at https://macos9.app/ in the Macintosh HD -> Applications folder. It has a "Demo" menu if you want to see some of its capabilities.
A favorite part of mine:
Previously:https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=684002
He was given a standing ovation, by 2,000 geeks.
I found this write up of his demo here: https://tidbits.com/1992/06/01/wwdc-cool-stuff/
He was this long-haired kid, and he had a tablet (which was quite rare, back then).
What was cool, was watching him balance algebra equations. He'd drag a variable from one side of the formula to the other, and everything would sort itself out.
Every one of us was, like, "I wish I had this, when I was learning math!"
I also don't think he was actually one of the ATG people (I think they scooped him up, after that, though). He was in developer support, or something.
This is the high point of the story to me. Do we know who said that and what was their story? E.g. what made them approach the devs and were there any consequences?
The sense I got from Ron was that things were not well at Apple during that time. Layoffs were expected and people thought the company was going to collapse. So that person would have lost his job I'm sure, but also he may have assumed he was on the way out anyways.
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