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random_upvoter
Even the Guardian is with the war mongers now. I find it utterly depressing how pacifism is dead and buried these days except for a fringe of people like me who routinely get accused of being either feeble minded or Russian trolls. So go ahead, pour all the weapons you want into Ukraine and see how it ends.
hackandthink
It should be enough to see how things are going now: many thousands die because of the nationality of a peninsula.

Without me

Arnt
That was 2014.
hackandthink
Yes the stakes are higher now.

Minsk II was gambled away.

Everyone would be better off if the agreement had been implemented honestly. (by both sides).

People are dying and the next deal will get worse and worse.

Arnt
Make up your mind — either it's about a peninsula or the stakes are higher now.
hackandthink
The stakes are higher now.

How many people should die for:

1991 borders (including Crimea)?

2014 borders?

Feb 2023 border?

Survival?

NATO Membership?

moistly
It ends with a cruel and thieving dictator being deposed, and a free democratic nation remaining so. No nation should fall to Russian dictatorship.
hackandthink
The blame game started.

Without these pacifists we surely would have won.