I wouldn't say it's a "common solution", but it is helpful to do when you need to push an asteroid to not hit a populated planet: all you have to do is extend the ship's warp field to encompass as much of the asteroid as possible, then pushing on it with a repulsor beam will have more effect. Having an outcast member of the Q Continuum with you as a technical advisor can also be very helpful.
Didn't we find out some time ago that certain elements within USG are chartered to draw up patents (possibly this one) to cause adversaries to become distracted, lost, concerned, in the mood to spend remaining budgets on fantasy projects, and so on?
Ah...OK, so on further reading this is Dr. Pais. So yeah there is speculation about his patents being intentional scams.
(How wild would it be to be paid to come up with FANTASTIC PATENTS though, and maybe they don't _tell_ you they're using your fully-functional fantasy world to cause China to burn cash?)
> Didn't we find out some time ago that certain elements within USG are chartered to draw up patents (possibly this one) to cause adversaries to become distracted, lost, concerned, in the mood to spend remaining budgets on fantasy projects, and so on?
Yes, and the US government also investigates and invests in adversaries' fantasy projects, as well. It's how we got things like the Stargate Project[1].
Ah, OK--that was quite a cultural thing at the time too, right? Isn't that where the Columbo episode "Columbo Goes to the Guillotine" got its inspiration? It starts out with a fraudulent remote-viewing scam, with the pentagon brass as marks.
I think there was a MacGyver episode with remote viewing, too...GX-1 or something.
Scientology is where it comes from (exteriorization), 'remote viewing' is the US governments' re-brand .. Ingo Swann was a scientologist before he became a government-paid spook.
There are some in the psychic community who believe the US government and Scientology are in cahoots to further weaponise things, and that this is why the Trementina base-swap was done...
> Ingo Swann was a scientologist before he became a government-paid spook.
I didn't know this, but it makes so much sense now that I do.
> There are some in the psychic community who believe the US government and Scientology are in cahoots to further weaponise things, and that this is why the Trementina base-swap was done...
I'm mostly familiar with what the key figures in SRI did and have done since then, they've seemed to foster weird cottage industry around remote viewing that still exists (and are run by those same key figures) today. I've worked backwards from today to their origins at SRI, so there's a lot of that history that I'm unfamiliar with, like the Scientology connection. Looks like they've done a good job at moving away from those types of associations.
Really puts into context phenomena like early RVers viewing aliens, UFOs and whatnot that fit into Scientology beliefs and mythos.
You'd be surprised how 'real' all of this seems to its proponents. I think thats the part that interests the spooks the most - how you can get sub-cultures like this to believe, almost anything ..
There used to be a column in the Uk Magazine "New Scientist" called Daedalus. The writer would conjure inventions that would seem to work but there was an obvious flaw, if I recall correctly. The BBC did a documentary about him and in this short piece he revealed that some of his wrong-headed inventions had been patented in Russia...
I love Daedalus (David E.H. Jones) - he also wrote the column for Nature for a while. It's kind of astounding that the two "Inventions of Daedalus" books aren't better known (or indeed in print) these days - especially given the success of Randall Munroe's books.
Sometimes his inventions were entirely tongue in cheek, but quite a lot of them had their feet in reality. Notable examples that spring to mind are a laser-controlled 3D resin printer, and the notion that one could construct large spherical carbon molecules!
Here is the obit from the Guardian with some more choice inventions/discoveries
David Jones, who has died aged 79, was a physical chemist and writer who, through his columns under the pseudonym Daedalus, entertained readers of New Scientist, Nature and the Guardian for more than 30 years. His ideas for inventions started from secure principles and wove a plausible tale through to the impossible – or so he thought. In fact, many turned out to be feasible. His version of 3D printing with lasers even landed him in a patent dispute in 1974.
He described how to coat the moon in a reflective layer so that northerners would be released from their dark winters and “lovers would blink in its unromantic glare”. His remote-controlled painting machine would climb walls with the aid of slug slime and allow mountain bikes to go up vertical cliffs. He foresaw the problems of the information age and proposed a system of computerised billing that paid a fee every time personal information was passed on.
Daedalus and his fictional company, Dreadco (Daedalus Research Evaluation and Development Corp), set out, like many scientists, to trace the consequences of a “what if” idea. The difference for Daedalus was that he built in an intentional flaw. While professional scientists find all too often that their ideas fail, Daedalus anticipated failure but instead sometimes found that his ideas succeeded. In 1966, he proposed to make hollow molecular balls by persuading sheets of graphite to close up (graphite is composed of sheets of carbon atoms arranged like chicken wire). In 1985, Harry Kroto, Robert Curl and Rick Smalley described just such a molecule, carbon-60 (now known as a buckminsterfullerene), for which they received the Nobel prize in 1996. A mutual friend pointed out the Daedalus column to Kroto, who acknowledged it in his Nobel lecture.
David anticipated the development of the chemical laser by a year and pitched it as a weapon for shooting down ballistic missiles. Fifteen years later, Ronald Reagan proposed this same idea in his star wars programme.
In 1980 David speculated in a BBC Radio Scotland programme that Napoleon might not have been poisoned by arsenic deliberately as suggested by analysis of his hair, but as a result of the wallpaper in his rooms on St Helena. In a damp environment, the mould on a particular green pigment, fashionable at that time, catalyses the generation of a toxic gas containing arsenic. Tongue in cheek, David asked if any listener knew the colour of Napoleon’s wallpaper. To his amazement a woman wrote in that a scrapbook had been handed down to her containing an actual sample. David’s research on that piece of wallpaper, published in Nature (1982), showed that the pigment was indeed present.
David started writing his Daedalus columns for New Scientist in 1964 and continued there for 24 years before transferring to Nature and the Guardian. The columns were compiled in The Inventions of Daedalus (1982) and The Further Inventions of Daedalus (1999), both illustrated by his own cartoons.
David Jones produced this cartoon to illustrate his ‘invention’ of audible vertigo. He captioned it: ‘Vertigosound could clear public buildings humanely of starlings, pigeons etc, by making the birds overbalance from the narrow ledges.’
David Jones produced this cartoon to illustrate his ‘invention’ of audible vertigo. He captioned it: ‘Vertigosound could clear public buildings humanely of starlings, pigeons etc, by making the birds overbalance from the narrow ledges.’ Photograph: Freeman
Television was another outlet for his ingenuity. In the mid-70s, David was the man behind the scenes for Yorkshire Television’s Don’t Ask Me with Magnus Pyke and The Scientific Eye with Adam Hart-Davis. Finding that the questions from the studio audience did not lend themselves to demonstrations, he built the demonstrations first and then planted questions in the audience. Eventually, frustrated by health and safety restrictions, he left YTV and began presenting on the German TV scie...
On one hand I believe it is outside the realm of reality, but on the other hand handheld super computers and planes that could fly themselves were science fiction within my lifetime too.
Seems there are also some interesting recent developments & questions on/about Pais:
He asked someone else to share his paper, SUPERFORCE, on social media...a unification of quantum field theory with general relativity; the Eridanus Supervoid may be a window into another universe
(Gotta say there are aspects of his working style that raise lots of red flags for me personally, just by looking at the effect. The USG also has an Einstein-complex of sorts since the 1940s, and by golly if he doesn't feign to release that metaphorical sword from its stone rather triumphantly)
I mean, if one were going to invent a fake technology to waste everyone’s time, it would be pretty easy to also invent fake paperwork about said technology.
If it doesn't exist already, someone should write a story where the USG patents a ludicrously impossible perpetual motion machine or something to force China to burn cash, but then China actually claims to have created one and then both sides are scrambling to see if anyone actually invented something or if everyone's pulling each other's legs.
Plus, maybe throw in that aspect from Polygon where the inventors of the devices are early-Internet pals who are conspiring toward the death of the military officers who previously sent the inventors' children to death overseas...
That was a fun read. Arthur C. Clarke's "Tales From the White Hart" meets Derek Lowe's "Things I Won't Work With", with Lowe showing up in the comments afterwards. Thanks for the link.
Both patents have very interesting descriptions, which are good fun reads if nothing else - there are a couple extraordinary claims. Pais actually discusses the patents & the approval/appeal process, among other things, in this interview with podcaster Kurt Jaimungal (patent discussion is ~15 minutes in):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E6QyAhTB3o
One more interesting individual whose work you could look into, if this stuff intrigues you, is Dr. Eric Davis - he wrote/contributed to a number of papers that came out of AATIP (DoD UFO program run from 2007-2012). List of papers is here, many can be found through online research:
https://irp.fas.org/dia/aatip-list.pdf
I listened to each of them but I frankly didn't understand any of it. I did come out of it with the impression that this stuff was all based on his personal theories, that he can't get anyone to take him seriously in academia, and that we don't actually have anything like this working in secret. But again, considering that it's all over my head, I'd also put little stock in my take away from the interviews.
The annoying thing about military patents is for every real one there are 10 meant to distract competitors.. and of course no way for the public to even post-facto discern between them due to classification/secrecy.
You (generally) don’t have to prove that your idea works to get a patent on it. If it’s a perpetual motion machine, the examiner will ask for proof. If not, they usually don’t inquire.
The prosecution is pretty interesting to read through; here's what I saw.
Looking at the Final rejection, the Examiner rejected the claims as lacking enablement given that the specification indicated that ludcriously high teslas—more than what a neutron star generates—need to be generated for the invention to work. (Notably, the Examiner was pretty lazy here and didn't cite anything to bolster his argument. I'm not sure if it would have helped, though.)
In the appeal, the attorney argued that, legally, a patent doesn't have to describe a working invention; this triggered my BS alarms about the invention's overall feasibility. That said, there are some hilariously biting remarks here in which the attorney, addressing repulsive magnetic fields, slanders the Examiner as one who fails to understand highschool physics and not even being close to one of ordinary skill in the art. But from what I saw by skimming, a lot of what the Applicant provided as enablement was the inventor's own previous work and that the high numbers are generated by "valid" equations.
Overall, it looks like this invention is BS, but BS inventions are demonstrably patentable by legal precedent. I'll share a cynical Patent Examiner adage: Stupid gets you patent.
This is basically the same claim of using microwaves in a metal cavity in regards to propellant-less propulsion that has been discredited many times now.
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FYI: you can patent any dumb idea. It doesn't actually have to work. It's retarded patent claims aren't required to have reproducible physical demonstrations first.
It's true that only really perpetual motion machines are banned.
However, the patent is supposed to teach enough (to one skilled in the art) to be enabling. If the patents specification (not the abstract or claims) are not enabling then it is not valid... and ostensibly the examiner should have rejected it.
Now just take a bunch of this kind of gibberish along with the full patent database and feed it into a transformer based LLM to generate reams of patent like objects with negative pressure polarized vacuums of inverted space time in order to achieve inertial mass reduction.
This technology involves the use of artificially generated high energy electromagnetic fields that interact with the vacuum energy state. This interaction can be used to generate emergent physical phenomena such as force and matter fields unification. By manipulating the quantum field fluctuations in the local vacuum energy state, it is possible to reduce the inertia of a craft, making it easier to move. Additionally, the strong energy flux generated by the electromagnetic fields can induce local vacuum polarization, allowing for “smooth sailing” through the negative pressure (repulsive gravity) of the vacuum. Furthermore, it is possible to generate high frequency gravitational waves which can be used to modify the gravitational fields in close proximity to the craft, resulting in its propulsion. Finally, the vibrational acceleration of a gyro-rotor can induce a state of abrupt departure far from thermodynamic equilibrium, resulting in a reduction of its inertial (and thus gravitational) mass.
Asking the LLM if this is real or fantasy?
The idea of using high energy electromagnetic fields to interact with the vacuum energy state and induce emergent physical phenomena is real. However, the idea of using this technology for space propulsion and power generation is currently in the realm of fantasy, as the technology is not yet developed.
The gist of it as far as I can tell, is that you use an RF power source to cause a piezoelectric element (or surface) in vibrate at RF frequencies with as much power as it can stand, and push a high voltage onto the surface, which then causes a very highly accelerating moving charge, sufficient to tickle the quantum vacuum and cause non-linear effects.
You could couple this with the idea of quantized inertia, and possibly get interesting real results, or not.
If you have a surface vibrating at 1 Mhz, moving even 100 microns RMS, that means its moving at more than 100 meters/second, and the acceleration is more 10,000,000 times that of earth's gravity
If you get a surface vibrating at 1 Ghz, with 1 micron of movement, you're still past a billion Gs of acceleration.
Which might be able to tickle the quantum vacuum. (or not?)
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You can't fire microwaves off in a sealed enclosure and somehow create a quantum lifting/propelling effect.
Ah...OK, so on further reading this is Dr. Pais. So yeah there is speculation about his patents being intentional scams.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvatore_Pais
(How wild would it be to be paid to come up with FANTASTIC PATENTS though, and maybe they don't _tell_ you they're using your fully-functional fantasy world to cause China to burn cash?)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2021/02/08/what-is-b...
Star Wars (the former USG program) was also apparently based on faked data in order to get USSR to burn cash
Yes, and the US government also investigates and invests in adversaries' fantasy projects, as well. It's how we got things like the Stargate Project[1].
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project
I think there was a MacGyver episode with remote viewing, too...GX-1 or something.
There are some in the psychic community who believe the US government and Scientology are in cahoots to further weaponise things, and that this is why the Trementina base-swap was done...
I didn't know this, but it makes so much sense now that I do.
> There are some in the psychic community who believe the US government and Scientology are in cahoots to further weaponise things, and that this is why the Trementina base-swap was done...
I'm mostly familiar with what the key figures in SRI did and have done since then, they've seemed to foster weird cottage industry around remote viewing that still exists (and are run by those same key figures) today. I've worked backwards from today to their origins at SRI, so there's a lot of that history that I'm unfamiliar with, like the Scientology connection. Looks like they've done a good job at moving away from those types of associations.
Really puts into context phenomena like early RVers viewing aliens, UFOs and whatnot that fit into Scientology beliefs and mythos.
Sometimes his inventions were entirely tongue in cheek, but quite a lot of them had their feet in reality. Notable examples that spring to mind are a laser-controlled 3D resin printer, and the notion that one could construct large spherical carbon molecules!
David Jones, who has died aged 79, was a physical chemist and writer who, through his columns under the pseudonym Daedalus, entertained readers of New Scientist, Nature and the Guardian for more than 30 years. His ideas for inventions started from secure principles and wove a plausible tale through to the impossible – or so he thought. In fact, many turned out to be feasible. His version of 3D printing with lasers even landed him in a patent dispute in 1974.
He described how to coat the moon in a reflective layer so that northerners would be released from their dark winters and “lovers would blink in its unromantic glare”. His remote-controlled painting machine would climb walls with the aid of slug slime and allow mountain bikes to go up vertical cliffs. He foresaw the problems of the information age and proposed a system of computerised billing that paid a fee every time personal information was passed on.
Daedalus and his fictional company, Dreadco (Daedalus Research Evaluation and Development Corp), set out, like many scientists, to trace the consequences of a “what if” idea. The difference for Daedalus was that he built in an intentional flaw. While professional scientists find all too often that their ideas fail, Daedalus anticipated failure but instead sometimes found that his ideas succeeded. In 1966, he proposed to make hollow molecular balls by persuading sheets of graphite to close up (graphite is composed of sheets of carbon atoms arranged like chicken wire). In 1985, Harry Kroto, Robert Curl and Rick Smalley described just such a molecule, carbon-60 (now known as a buckminsterfullerene), for which they received the Nobel prize in 1996. A mutual friend pointed out the Daedalus column to Kroto, who acknowledged it in his Nobel lecture.
David anticipated the development of the chemical laser by a year and pitched it as a weapon for shooting down ballistic missiles. Fifteen years later, Ronald Reagan proposed this same idea in his star wars programme.
In 1980 David speculated in a BBC Radio Scotland programme that Napoleon might not have been poisoned by arsenic deliberately as suggested by analysis of his hair, but as a result of the wallpaper in his rooms on St Helena. In a damp environment, the mould on a particular green pigment, fashionable at that time, catalyses the generation of a toxic gas containing arsenic. Tongue in cheek, David asked if any listener knew the colour of Napoleon’s wallpaper. To his amazement a woman wrote in that a scrapbook had been handed down to her containing an actual sample. David’s research on that piece of wallpaper, published in Nature (1982), showed that the pigment was indeed present.
David started writing his Daedalus columns for New Scientist in 1964 and continued there for 24 years before transferring to Nature and the Guardian. The columns were compiled in The Inventions of Daedalus (1982) and The Further Inventions of Daedalus (1999), both illustrated by his own cartoons.
David Jones produced this cartoon to illustrate his ‘invention’ of audible vertigo. He captioned it: ‘Vertigosound could clear public buildings humanely of starlings, pigeons etc, by making the birds overbalance from the narrow ledges.’ David Jones produced this cartoon to illustrate his ‘invention’ of audible vertigo. He captioned it: ‘Vertigosound could clear public buildings humanely of starlings, pigeons etc, by making the birds overbalance from the narrow ledges.’ Photograph: Freeman Television was another outlet for his ingenuity. In the mid-70s, David was the man behind the scenes for Yorkshire Television’s Don’t Ask Me with Magnus Pyke and The Scientific Eye with Adam Hart-Davis. Finding that the questions from the studio audience did not lend themselves to demonstrations, he built the demonstrations first and then planted questions in the audience. Eventually, frustrated by health and safety restrictions, he left YTV and began presenting on the German TV scie...
On one hand I believe it is outside the realm of reality, but on the other hand handheld super computers and planes that could fly themselves were science fiction within my lifetime too.
Seems there are also some interesting recent developments & questions on/about Pais:
He asked someone else to share his paper, SUPERFORCE, on social media...a unification of quantum field theory with general relativity; the Eridanus Supervoid may be a window into another universe
https://twitter.com/TheProjectUnity/status/16201777255322828...
There's also some speculation that the below is Pais' twitter account?
https://twitter.com/hotte_ken
https://twitter.com/JulienGeffray/status/1620034382240301056...
(Gotta say there are aspects of his working style that raise lots of red flags for me personally, just by looking at the effect. The USG also has an Einstein-complex of sorts since the 1940s, and by golly if he doesn't feign to release that metaphorical sword from its stone rather triumphantly)
Plus, maybe throw in that aspect from Polygon where the inventors of the devices are early-Internet pals who are conspiring toward the death of the military officers who previously sent the inventors' children to death overseas...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8rVp9rwaS0
Both patents have very interesting descriptions, which are good fun reads if nothing else - there are a couple extraordinary claims. Pais actually discusses the patents & the approval/appeal process, among other things, in this interview with podcaster Kurt Jaimungal (patent discussion is ~15 minutes in): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E6QyAhTB3o
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Here's a couple other fun patents in this area:
Triangular spacecraft - https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060145019A1
Photon spacecraft - https://patents.google.com/patent/US20060144035A1/
One more interesting individual whose work you could look into, if this stuff intrigues you, is Dr. Eric Davis - he wrote/contributed to a number of papers that came out of AATIP (DoD UFO program run from 2007-2012). List of papers is here, many can be found through online research: https://irp.fas.org/dia/aatip-list.pdf
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/31798/the-secretive-in...
Also, there was a second guy (Mario Ludovico) who was doing similar R&D where a Japanese team actually were able to replicate the results of.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5E6QyAhTB3o
I listened to each of them but I frankly didn't understand any of it. I did come out of it with the impression that this stuff was all based on his personal theories, that he can't get anyone to take him seriously in academia, and that we don't actually have anything like this working in secret. But again, considering that it's all over my head, I'd also put little stock in my take away from the interviews.
Looking at the Final rejection, the Examiner rejected the claims as lacking enablement given that the specification indicated that ludcriously high teslas—more than what a neutron star generates—need to be generated for the invention to work. (Notably, the Examiner was pretty lazy here and didn't cite anything to bolster his argument. I'm not sure if it would have helped, though.)
In the appeal, the attorney argued that, legally, a patent doesn't have to describe a working invention; this triggered my BS alarms about the invention's overall feasibility. That said, there are some hilariously biting remarks here in which the attorney, addressing repulsive magnetic fields, slanders the Examiner as one who fails to understand highschool physics and not even being close to one of ordinary skill in the art. But from what I saw by skimming, a lot of what the Applicant provided as enablement was the inventor's own previous work and that the high numbers are generated by "valid" equations.
Overall, it looks like this invention is BS, but BS inventions are demonstrably patentable by legal precedent. I'll share a cynical Patent Examiner adage: Stupid gets you patent.
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FYI: you can patent any dumb idea. It doesn't actually have to work. It's retarded patent claims aren't required to have reproducible physical demonstrations first.
However, the patent is supposed to teach enough (to one skilled in the art) to be enabling. If the patents specification (not the abstract or claims) are not enabling then it is not valid... and ostensibly the examiner should have rejected it.
Now just take a bunch of this kind of gibberish along with the full patent database and feed it into a transformer based LLM to generate reams of patent like objects with negative pressure polarized vacuums of inverted space time in order to achieve inertial mass reduction.
You could couple this with the idea of quantized inertia, and possibly get interesting real results, or not.
If you have a surface vibrating at 1 Mhz, moving even 100 microns RMS, that means its moving at more than 100 meters/second, and the acceleration is more 10,000,000 times that of earth's gravity
If you get a surface vibrating at 1 Ghz, with 1 micron of movement, you're still past a billion Gs of acceleration.
Which might be able to tickle the quantum vacuum. (or not?)