Ask HN: Advice from people who strength train from home

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I have a pullup bar and a Lebert Equalizer kind of thing. I live in a small room at my university. I am planning on training bodyweight or calisthenics as it is called popularly.

HNers who train from home using minimal weights or equipments, can you suggest a path for me.

I am looking for some hints on:

1. What is the bare minimum balanced routine I can start with?

2. How long should I stick to it before I see or feel actual results from it?

3. Diet? Eggs are easily available for me.

4. A bit about your journey. How you started and how have you progressed on parameters of strength, routine, size, energy, etc.

P.S: I came across this youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@Kboges where he suggests that to gain strength and general fitness you can train daily with 3 movements but not to failure. Is it possible?

My goals are to have enough muscle and strength so that I don't get tired doing chores lifting something for my household. I want this to go far into my old age so that I don't fall and spend my final years in a nursing home bed.

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What are your goals?
Adding them to the original description.
1. I see reddit's bodyweightfitness routine [1] recommended frequently (though I personally lift weights so don't have experience with callisthenics)

2. Keep in mind that most influencers, actors, athletes, and trainers have gained their physique through genetic luck, drugs, unhealthy eating, camera tricks, lack of balance in life, and extremely hard work guided by one-on-one coaching. It might take you 12 months to look muscular if you're a normal person doing a normal routine. Good strength routines will have you making regular small increases in resistance, so you will see constant small progress in strength on a daily/weekly/round basis from the beginning!

3. Spend a week tracking what you eat in an app like Cronometer. Those results will guide you on how best to modify your diet: the default macro/micronutrient targets in the app aren't a bad place to start. It's often recommended to increase protein and calorie intake above those targets if you're trying to put on lots of muscle.

Finally the sibling comment about goals is a great one. I'd suggest your #1 goal should be to not get injured, as injury will prevent you from achieving your other goals (and is very common when starting new sports/activities!)

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/bodyweightfitness/wiki/routines/bwf...

Yes, the r/bodyweightfitness recommended routine is a good place to start. Gets you over that “what do I do?” hump.
I can recommend the bodyweightfitness reddit too. A few years ago I read a lot in this subreddit and I execised a lot at home.

If you like to read on the subject go on, but as others point out do not make it to complicated. You do not train for competitive reasons. This is what I would say to my younger me 20 years ago:

- As you will read in the reddit: vertical and horizontal pulling, vertical and horizontal pushing exercise, e.g. pullups, pushups etc.

- You do not need a lot of exercises. If you want to do more, two exercises are sufficient, e.g. two different horizontal push...

- Do 3-5 sets, 8-12 repetitions per exercise. Thats for building muscle. On your last rep you should feel, that you only could do 1-2 more reps. Pause 90 sec - 2 min.

- Do not get to complicated. If you feel great make 5 sets. If you feel not rested enough do 3. Select an exercise progression that has the needed intensity.

- Please try to keep the form. Quality reps count.

- Get enough rest. You do not need to train everyday. 2-3 times a week is enough. And sometimes only 1 time. Just be consistent.

- For the diet: In generall it matters how much you eat and what you eat. Coach Summer answered in an reddit AMA: "What diet are your students following?" - "The see food diet. They see it and they eat it". If you can afford beans then beans. If cou can afford more, then beans ; ).

- And the most important - just have fun : )

As another good resource I really liked the interview betwween Huberman and Galpin https://hubermanlab.com/dr-andy-galpin-how-to-build-strength...

Number 1 thing to remember is training is better than not training, as long as you aren't injuring yourself. Don't overthink it, and if it hurts, stop.

I use kettlebells at home and have been repeating this workout playlist https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhu1QCKrfgPUU1z33ILva...

Kettlebell is great because you can do a full workout with a single piece of equipment.

If you dread working out, then just make it easier. 2 kg is better than 0 kg, 5 minutes is better than 0 minutes.

Don't try to get everything figured out before you start. You will need to figure out what works for you, and good habits build upon each other.

I'll answer 1)

i really like www.startbodyweight.com

pretty detailed and simple for someone like me - who's gone to the gym, but not gained from it, because of not sticking to a programme, and importantly, managing progression.

Startbodyweight is awesome because it starts from absolute couch potato.

One negative though - is 2 things required to setup:

a)somewhere to do chin ups b)somewhere solid to use thick nylon rope (for pulling exercise)

Start with the actual program, and work on the diet as you go. But look into balanced diets - eat eggs, nuts, chicken, (red meat ocassionally), fish, lots of leafy greens, cold pressed natural oils.

Avoid sugar.

Make time for this stuff - if you're new to it - it will start by being a drag, eventually you will crave it.

I started HATING exercise, and hating early rising.

I start my morning with a top shelf scandinavian light roast (high in caffeine) - then my training session, shower, and big breakfast.

Cant think of a better way to start my morning! Gets me feeling focused and ready to attack the day.

> Cant think of a better way to start my morning! Gets me feeling focused and ready to attack the day

As someone who has started at age 40 and am just literally back from the gym: there's an undeniable energy rush from the session, but it really takes it out of me for the rest of the day. I guess I need to do something about nutrition.

look after your hydration and also...watch out for lactic acid build up (drink some electrolytes before working out to avoid this)
> 1. What is the bare minimum balanced routine I can start with?

A combination of vertical and horizontal push and pull compound lifts will give you the biggest bang for your buck while maintaining a balanced physique.

Vertical push - Squat & Overhead Press

Vertical pull - Deadlift & Pull-ups

Horizontal push - Pushup or Bench Press

Horizontal pull - Bent over Rows or Bodyweight Rows

Imho this is the best 'minimal' recommendation.

Overhead press can be done with a loaded backpack / 5 gallon water bottle

Replace deadlift with Kettlebell swings and use the backpack/ bottle

For what it’s worth, I’ll mention what works for me. I have no interest in any companies or products mentioned below other than using them and finding them useful.

I’ve weight-trained for decades and switched up my routine during the pandemic. I have only a small room available at home for this, which I also use as an office and music studio. So, not a lot of space.

I bought a pair of Bowflex SelectTech 552s (https://www.bowflex.com/selecttech/552/100131.html), a stand for them, a bench, a stability ball, and mini loop bands. Then I started using the Fitbod app (https://fitbod.me) to take the guesswork out of my routine.

This has been great. Fitbod will gradually ramp up resistance, vary your workouts, target different muscles based on recovery, and adjust your weight levels based on your performance. Then you can use the 552s to select the right weight it recommends.

Anyway, your mileage may vary, but I’ve been very happy with this setup for years.

I just wanted to mention that I have been a big fan of TRX bands from https://www.trxtraining.com. (They seem to have a bunch of different products on there, but when I bought mine many years ago, they only made one thing. They all seem the same to me.) It's just a single, small piece of equipment you can bring anywhere and is extremely versatile. It also allows for a scale of difficulty for various exercises to match your fitness level. I have not trained for extensive periods of time exclusively with TRX bands, but I've used them for many years alongside traditional weight training and when I don't have access to the gym.

There are many online resources for TRX exercises and workouts, so I won't expand on that here unless otherwise requested. That plus a backpack you can load up with heavy things can take you pretty far.

I second the other comments that have mentioned to avoid sugar. Different people may react differently, but I find my general wellbeing and discipline to have had a strong inverse correlation with my sugar consumption.

Regarding pushing to failure or not: I personally have found success pushing to failure (depending on the workout, on the last set at least), and, in general, I would recommend this approach. Likelihood of injury will increase as you push closer to failure, so remember to stretch, warm up, and focus on form. For some people, there may be a mental benefit to pushing to failure as well.

I've always preferred the "Redcord" variant compared to TRX. But yeah, that kind of training allow you to do lots of stuff. Can be a nice stepping stone to calisthenics, before one is strong enough to do some of the exercises. The bands allow you to offload some of your bodyweight, for instance doing push ups at an angle. And then later when pushups are too easy, can lift the feet off the ground to make them heavier again.
3. Make sure you get enough protein and calories overall. Strength training also puts a lot of stress on bones and causes increases in density, so make sure you're getting calcium too. Protein shakes make getting enough protein a bit easier. There's a lot of talk about supplements but 99% don't do enough to be worth it. If you want to go that route, use creatine. It's the most well researched lifting supplement there is. It gives you a modest boost in endurance and strength. Good food and good sleep is honestly 50% of it.
(Secondhand) Total Gym XLS & 4x 20lb 5gal bucket concrete weights on 1.25" fittings, Basketball filled with sand, occasional Yoga, lately very occasional Inline Skating up and down a hill with wrist guards and a MIPS helmet with a visor

(Soccer, then former middle of the pack Distance Running; then also weight training resistance training in a Weider cage with an 45lb bar and adjustable spotter bars, high pulley, low pulley, leg extension; then Bowflex; and now TotalGym and I prefer it. Lol, you watch the infomercial and you see the testimonials and you think "nobody's that happy with their without ever" and still I really do enjoy this equipment. (I have never been paid to endorse any fitness product or book.))

Calisthenics says that "time under tension" is more relevant than number of reps.

The TotalGym is a decent to good partner stretcher. "Don't slam the stack, and don't waste an opportunity to let it stretch you out"

Dance music has a higher tempo. Various apps will generate workout playlists with AFAIU a BPM ladder

The "high protein foods" part of Keto.

My understanding of Keto: if you eat too much sugar (including starchy carbs) without protein, the body learns to preferentially burn sugar and wastes the protein; so eat protein all day. We do need carbs to efficiently process protein. (And we do need fat for our brains: there is a reference DV daily value for fat for a reason. Ranch, Whole Milk, and Peanut Butter have fat.)

Omega-3s and Omega-6s would be listed under "Polyunsaturated Fats" if it were allowed to list them on the standard Nutrition Facts label instead of elsewhere on the packaging.

Omega 6:3 balance apparently affects endocannabinoid levels. Endocannabinoids help regulate diet and inflammation.

Antioxidants: Vitamins A, C, E,

Electrolytes: Water + Salt + Potassium (H20 + NaCl + K)

There are many lists of foods to eat for inflammation and inflammatory conditions.

Foods rich in anthocyanins tend to be high in nutrients; for example, blueberries, chard, and other dark leafy vegetables and fruits. Blueberry smoothie; premixed, frozen, fresh and washed with sprayed water+vinegar in a clip-on colander.

Pressure cooking is a relatively healthy way to prepare protein.

You can make a dozen hard-boiled or soft-boiled eggs with one instant pot pressure cooker in ~20 minutes and with less water than conventional boiling.

50g/day of Protein is 100% of the DV for a 2000 calorie diet, when you're not trying to gain muscle mass. Bodybuilders consume at least 100g or 150g of protein a day.

Tired of e.g. tuna, eggs, beef; I learned of "The No Meat Athlete Cookbook: Whole Food, Plant-Based Recipes to Fuel Your Workouts—and the Rest of Your Life", which has a bunch of ideas for vegan and vegetarian protein and nutrionally-balanced meals.

FWIU, vegan and vegetarian diets tend to have some common issues like e.g. magnesium deficiency.

I can't be mad at the lion for being omnivorous; but frustrated at the lion for being greedy and selfish in regards to ecology and smell. /? S tool reading infographic

Protein bars (20g: Huel, Aldi), Protein bread (10g/slice), Muscle Milk Pro (50g), Huel, Filtered water: Wide-mouth water bottles, Fish Oil (Omega-3s DHA & EPA), Olive Oil (<~380°F), spray Avocado Oil (Aldi), Peanut Butter, Whole Milk, Multigrain Cheerios over Total (in the 100% DV cereals category),

Supergrains: flax, chia, shelled hemp seed. Super grains mixed into peanut butter = $25 health food store peanut butter.

Healthy Eating Plate: Water, Fruits, Grains, Veggies, Protein. USDA Myplate: people need* Milk/Dairy (which is indeed basically impossible to create a synthetic analogue of, in terms of formula or)

Some greens have little more nutritional content than water and fiber. AFAIU, Chard is as nutritious as Spinach, which has iron (which is what Popeye eats to hopefully eventually woo Olive Oil)

Ice water dimin...

Something that helps motivate me is tracking my progress. It also helps satisfy your inner geek . I use the FitNotes and Regularly apps on Android, both free (donation supported) and fantastic.
>at my university

Those usually have gyms with all the equipment and trainers. What you need the most is a routine and motivation. Start with an embarrassing whole body photoshoot from all angles to track progress. Eat 2x more by adding protein to your diet, make sure you arent lactose intolerant. Train 2-3 times a week rotating body sections. Keep a logbook. Dont forget the legs, ass is your biggest muscle, squats will make your whole body stronger.

I'd also recommend a proper gym. If anything, just to get out of the room a bit more.

We built up a gym at home during the pandemic, and I felt I could do most of what I wanted from home. Still, when things finally opened I was right back at the gym. It's something about the mental change of going somewhere and doing something else.

My $0.02 -> routine is the most important thing, by far. Doing less, consistently, will get you something, whereas doing a lot for a few weeks won't. You can upgrade an imperfect routine, but you can't change exercises you don't do.

So start off with just something you really can keep up for a month, then consider upgrades to it.

> 1. What is the bare minimum balanced routine I can start with?

Get a pull-up bar. Find a calisthenics workout.

> 2. How long should I stick to it before I see or feel actual results from it?

See results: A year.

Feel results: Depending on your starting point, much sooner.

> 3. Diet? Eggs are easily available for me.

There are so many ways to go here.

> 4. A bit about your journey.

I never exercised until I was 18. Then did martial arts, weight lifting, crossfit.

I'm 37 now and exercise every day. Usually a crossfit wod warmup followed by heavy lifting (I aim for 5x5 when I'm not doing progressive overload). I'm trying to go into bodybuilding, since I think I'll never have the same chance or motivation hormonally later in life.

I simply do yoga head stand and pranayama daily. mayurasana is good too if you can do it.
Check out https://gmb.io/ and their elements program it is a great starter program with a schedule. You will get a really good mix of strength, movement and flexibility training. And it is a great base for getting into calisthenics if you want to get more serious.

There is no need to buy any equipment. You just need some floor space.

I think starting out with some kind of program as a beginner. Is a lot better than just buying a bunch of equipment and watching a lot of random YouTube videos. You will quickly get overwhelmed.

Also maybe start focusing on a routine first for a couple of months, and then look into your diet. Doing both at the same time as a complete beginner can quickly lead to information overload.

ok let me give you a f!?k yeah.

i'm figuring we're about the same in spirit given we're on HN and talking home workouts.

i loved programming first then calisthenics came later. now i build software for calisthenics and train in las vegas with the best in the world.

go hard, man, go have fun.

I'm hopefully still at the start of my journey, because I haven't gotten very far yet. Started last year with a personal trainer because I had no idea where to start. Bought a TRX, some dumbells and 2 kettlebells.

I don't have a pull-up bar because I don't see the point: I couldn't for the life of my lift my own bodyweight; I'm first using the TRX to build up some strength.

My big problem, as always, is discipline. I haven't done anything in months. I need to restart. The personal was rather expensive and I wasn't entirely happy with him, but it does help a lot with the discipline.

I have the same experience of personal trainer, although I was extremely happy with mine overall. It is just expensive.

I do think a lot of people need a people-based source of motivation, whether it's a human connection such as a PT or a friend who nags you to go with them, or an upcoming sporting event you've told people about like a marathon, or an online community.

Example of the latter: I had friends who after we moved apart post-Uni did 100pushups.com for a time with a shared spreadsheet to track progress against each other. That was quite fun.

People who can David Goggins their way through without any of that are fantastic, but I don't know what their secret is. Mine have always been people-based.

I’m one of those people who goes to the gym regularly without anyone telling me to (and have seen multiple gym partners come and go). The “secret” is that I enjoy it and the gym is less than 10 minutes from my place (walking).
Yeah, I don't enjoy it at all, I'm afraid. I've even done some crossfit for a year, and at some point I was going 3 times a week. Still hated it, but I somehow managed to get some discipline and regularity behind it.

I did enjoy how it made my back feel, but then Covid hit and everything went out the window. It's really hard for me to work up the will to do it and then build up the regularity to keep doing it. I hate it too much. But I do love the result.

I would start with a full body twice a week. Jeff nippard has a good one that you can buy. But there are many floating around the internet for free that are great.

As a noob even the most basic attention to consistency and diet can get you great results for the first few months.

And to be honest, from a muscle building point of view, most people will be very happy with just the beginner results. Most of the aesthetics of a good body come from having relatively low body fat and this is best achieved from attention to diet and moderate exercise

>I don't have a pull-up bar because I don't see the point: I couldn't for the life of my lift my own bodyweight;

Put a chair/stool in front (not under) of pullup bar, rest one leg on it - now you will be able to do at least one pullup. After couple of weeks you will be doing normal pullups. Absent great genes your organism will do anything in its power to conserve energy and resist gaining muscle mass without signaling the need for more strength. The more weight you lift the stronger the signal.

I have never tried a TRX and good luck on your journey.

I would like to add for others, you can go from 0 to pull-ups with just a bar, which I imagine is much cheaper too. I certainly did and my fitness level was minimal.

It's a case of progressions. For instance starting with negative pull-ups:

- Use a stool or just jump to the top position of a pull up

- lower yourself down with control, as slow as you can. At first this might be 1 second!

- Repeat for sets and reps

- when you hit 3 sets of 8 reps, slow down your descent another second or two

- Repeat until you've built up to 10 second reps, 3x8

At that point you should have the strength to be able to do a pull-up. You may need to ease into the technique, if so, introduce a resistance band to help train the motion, and gradually reduce your dependency on it.

> you can go from 0 to pull-ups with just a bar, which I imagine is much cheaper too.

How is a bar cheaper? It's a solid thing that needs to be attached to something solid. A TRX is just a strap you can hang on a door. (I actually want to attach mine to a wall or ceiling, which makes it a bit more complicated, and at that point, maybe I might as well go for a bar.)

Hanging from the bar with arms bent for as long as you can and doing negatives are good ways to build up to a pull-up
Don't over complicate it. Stay consistent be patient and you'll get there.

Beginners gains are huge. Your first year will see huge improvements. Especially in strength.

I recommend Allan Thrall on YouTube and AthleanX. Once you're past the beginners gains, Smolov is amazing at increasing strength. I've not found another program like it.

I lifted barbell only. Got my deadlift to 200kg, bench to 140kg, squat to 140kg.

It took about 8 years of lifting 1 to 3 times a week. Very casual and you could easily do much better than me.

Note I couldn't do a single push up in one of my gym classes at school.

I have a barbell at home but no other fancy equipment, so doing squats with barbells seem almost impossible (and possibly risky). Any other alternatives I can do that exercise the same muscles with a barbell?
You can do very light squats for high reps. Try sets of 25 at a weight you feel safe with. The first few months is all about learning form anyway.
Don't stress it too much in the beginning! The real results will come from making it a part of your life and exercising regularly for many years.

Also try not to compare your own progress with that of others, we're all on our own journeys!

Try to get some pulling motions (rows, pullups etc) into the mix as well as your pushing motions (i.e. pushups). Your posture will thank you!

I started with some simple calisthenics (pushups, squats, etc) during covid, and started going to the gym when things opened up again. I recently discovered that none of my blazers fit around my shoulders and chest anymore. It was a fun surprise, but it took a couple of years to get there.

To pseudoquote the jogger from BoJack Horseman: "It gets easier. Every day, it gets a little easier. But you gotta do it [a couple of times per week]. That's the hard part. But it does get easier."

> Try to get some pulling motions (rows, pullups etc) into the mix as well as your pushing motions (i.e. pushups). Your posture will thank you!

This is for me the most important comment in everything you can read in the thread up-to-now. You need to balance left-right but also front-back (Anterior/Posterior). If you overtrain (over the years) your 6-pack, but not your back, or your biceps and not triceps, then you will get injuries because of the lack of balance.

Edit: Take a look at the traditional Yoga routines. They always balance nicely. Basically, balance the same way but with strength training.

Heh, reminds me of a similar (but almost opposite) quote from the cycling world:

-It never gets easier, you just get faster.

> 2. How long should I stick to it before I see or feel actual results from it?

Depends on how much time you're willing to dedicate to exercise and diet. Serious dedication and you'll see undeniable results within a couple of months, "transformative" results after several months. On average, expect six months to a year.

Increased strength you'll feel relatively quickly. The way body fat works means that you can build muscle without really seeing the visual results right away, though.

Also, keep in mind that body building is something that takes years, if those are the kind of results that you're looking for.

The KBoges channel is generally very good. I'd take a lot of care in building up to daily training, though; you only get one body, and if you injure it you may never be the same. He does emphasise this in his videos, but in his shoes I'd be reluctant to even suggest daily training to people, because some significant minority of them will always go too hard at it and wreck themselves.

My preferred style of "everyday training" is strength training every few days, cardio most non-strength days, and walking a minimum number of steps every day (cardio counting towards it).

Push + pull + lower is generally enough to get fit and healthy, yes. It could be a good idea to split it more like push / pull / lower front / lower back, because things like squats tend to work the quads way more than the hamstrings or glutes.

Our goals seem very alike, so I'd recommend this Book:

You Are Your Own Gym: The Bible of Bodyweight Exercises -- Mark Lauren

I actually read its German translation (AFAICT) called "Fit ohne Geräte".

The book starts with some useful insights about basic motivation and eating habits.

Following its training program I went from slightly overweight to "normal" / slightly muscular. I'm in my late 30s and can do all sorts of sports. Lifting my girlfriend comes easy.

Bonus points: First bodyweight training means that you need no extra gear and second there is little time investment of ~40m per day on 4 days a week.

Hope this helps. :)

How would you say this program compares with /r/bodyweightfitness' recommended routine?
I see HN is continuing its path into slowly becoming a subreddit.
The best way to get stronger is to do the Novice Linear Progression in Starting Strength. However, that requires a barbell and squat rack. If you can, see if you can find a proper gym near you with the facilities. Follow the program, and eat as much protein and milk as you can.

https://startingstrength.com/get-started/programs