Ask HN: Did anyone else lose their marbles?

568 points by throoowwawaayy ↗ HN
Typical story I imagine-- ambitious, smart, promising career, was a technical co-founder at a small startup, and things seemed fine. Then I found myself wandering in the woods all day, crying for no reason and looking for non-existent fossils, which I found. I eventually saw petrified sea creatures everywhere and stopped going to work, or answering my phone, paying bills, etc. Things ended predictably, in horrible slow motion. Now I have a two year hole in my life, and I’ll never forgive myself for what I put my family through.

But nobody else will ever know that. I’m functional and back in the industry, but it’s not the sort of thing people discuss at the water cooler.

So I’d like to ask if anyone else had a secret breakdown? I’m curious if my story is an outlier, or if this is one of those things that “just happens” to some people.

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My mother went through a psychotic attack. I think she would have kept it secret, if not for the police finding and sectioning her.

Roughly 3% of people in the U.S. are reported to experience psychosis at some point in their lives. Those are only the ones that report it.

The US is incredibly brutal and ineffective in handling psychotic episodes when the police gets involved.
Yeah, get a lawyer and prepare to lose your job.
You had a psychotic break. No that's not normal. I hope you got treatment.
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Sounds perfectly clear to me. He was looking for something that in reality wasn't there, but in his delusional state he thought he found. Like a junkie in withdrawal seeing bugs crawling all over their skin.
"and looking for non-existent fossils, which I found. I eventually saw petrified sea creatures everywhere and stopped going to work, or answering my phone, paying bills, etc. Things ended predictably, in horrible slow motion." => I think he just interpreted "normal" patterns in stone as fossils
To be fair, it's pretty easy to find fossils of sea creatures if you look in road cuts that go through sedimentary rock. It's not some rare phenomenon that only occurs in a few places in the world, it just takes a few minutes of Googling and then looking around on Google Maps.
I thought it was quite clear. i interpreted it as a humorous turn of phrase to say that not only did they hallucinate the belief of the fossils, but then they also hallucinated the fossils themselves, and later started seeing them everywhere.
Agree, quite clear, nice writing.
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That's pretty good writing from the author. Don't advice people about things you might not be sure about.
OP wanted to give a more humorous, literary tone to his history and the GP interpreted it as literally as possible. I would rather bet that OP has asperger than OP has schizophrenia.
Is it a bad sign if I found it completely comprehensible? OP saw fossils everywhere. I can sort of see how someone who has "lost their marbles" might see rocks in such a way. Overall it sounds very Lovecraftan with ancient giant monsters and all. I wonder if OP was previously a fan of Lovecraft?
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I'm sorry for what you went through. That sounds rough.

That said, I'm (perhaps morbidly) curious about the experience. Were you having fun finding fossils?

I had a fucking blast. It felt like an adventure.
Maybe that was some kind of self-preservation "GTFO and touch grass" ripcord.

Edit: ok! I read some of your other posts about that time. You definitely need help. Glad you're feeling better.

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Are you talking in metaphors?
They are describing a psychotic episode.
Is it a common metaphor?
The description is not a metaphor. “Lost my marbles” is a common one for psychosis, dementia and the like, though.
I know I'm being overly sensitive but I'm baffled at the downvotes on my post asking for clarification :/
You asked if it was a common metaphor in reply to someone saying it is not a metaphor. Perhaps you replied to the wrong comment by mistake?
If it's any consolation, I interpreted your question as "outside of this person's experience". It seems fair to ask the seemingly knowledgeable eurasiantiger such a question. In the interests of charitable interpretations.
It is not a metaphor.

Psychotic episodes are typically marked by delusions and hallucinations caused by things like sleep deprivation and stress leading to excess catecholaminergic activity, which causes the brain to temporarily misinterpret the senses and construct delusional logic around the interpretations in an attempt to form a cohesive internal narrative of the experience.

No, I very literally thought the local rocky hills were formed from huge piles of gigantic petrified sea turtles, horseshoe crabs, and stingrays. I saw their outlines and suggestions of their shapes in the rocks. It seemed self-evident to me that here were ancient creatures that had mineralized over time in rough piles. In smaller rocks they looked more like isopods, more creepy and Giger-like.

I took lots of pictures because I knew nobody would believe me. They are picture of rocks :)

neither here nor there but it sounds exactly like my experience on mushrooms, in which I explored a lot and took extensive notes of my thoughts and observations in what were later very self evident ways. The vastness of time was very evident. I wouldn't be shocked if the pathways activated were similar. I really wish we had more real time brain activity scanning available, then we could easily see when someone is going through X/Y/Z episode
I'm sorry that happened to you. I hope someone has told this to you already but - please don't blame yourself. It obviously wasn't your intention to have a psychotic break. I hope you have the support to stay happy and healthy, I don't doubt you deserve it.
It happens to the best of us. For those of you who have friends going through something like this, your friend still needs you. Reach out. Have faith in them. You might be the reason they land on their feet.
Stress induced psychosis maybe? Were you using any chemicals? Feel like I understand the need to escape to the woods but not so sure about the fossils thing. Hope you are doing better now mate
Thank you, and yes, I was taking dexedrine for ADHD, and I’m sure that was a factor here, or at least it didn’t help!
Stimulants, and in particular sleep deprivation from stims (not implying that was you, it's just a common pattern), compounds delusions really hard. Make sure if you continue to take stims you eat good, sleep a lot & drink a healthy amount of water
ADHD even without medication can make you hyperfixate on something for so long (usually if it's encouraged by environment) that you end up literally having not to think of it for a time if you want to recover your skill. Autism, excessive routines, isolation, lack of play and chaos helps make this happen too.
I‘d actually suspect the Dexedrine as the root cause of the psychosis.
Dexedrine is powerful. I took that when I was a teenager for ADHD and I lost tons of weight down to maybe 140 and it drove a strong compulsion for more drug seeking. I also got straight A's and started my own website business, but I also would have terrible fights with my mom and got kicked out of my house.

I think you may be able to attribute a lot of your experience to that drug.

When I switched to Adderall, my entire life changed and things started feeling normal again.

What helped you get back on your feet?
That's a lot to unpack. Did you get Lyme disease? That's the thing keeping me from wandering some forests. Luckily I live on the west coast which has less Lyme disease.
Taking the ticks off within 18 hours generally protects against infection with Lyme disease. There's also a vaccine, and proper clothing prevents the ticks from biting as well.

The trouble is the black-legged ticks (I. scapularis) can be very small, especially the males.

I’m sorry to hear what you’ve been through. It sounds terrifying.

Was it your fault though? It sounds like you are blaming yourself for it on some level. It’s likely that you have a health condition that manifested itself in this particular way.

> I’ll never forgive myself for what I put my family through.

How is your family now? Is it intact? Have they been able to forgive you?

Glad you seem to be doing better.

Could also be severe burnout, which isn't uncommon. Sounds like you're better now, but if it recurs, try to talk to a mental health specialist and see what their prognosis is.
Mental health is a serious issue. The past few years I have been putting family and work before my own care and it caught up to me. 10xing is great, but if you have a mental condition the slightest thing can really set you back if you don't put your own health first. I am taking some time away from computer next few weeks last minute. Management seems fine with it and is offering any help they can. Though I didn't lose my marbles 100% slipping into depression is very real and can be scary. Don't hesitate to go to the ER or any other service if you need it. Take care of yourself.
Had something similar, not quite a psychotic break, but had to take a year or two out of the game for my peace of mind.
Yes in my case it was caused by ideas from a shitty self help book that i was trying out whilst a politcal battle was going on at work. Need to trace the origins which can only be done by talking to trusted people, ie family and probably not friends (which i got burnt by). Getting proffessional help was also not useful at all as they cared more about managing symptoms with meds rather than tracing the root cause.
I'm sorry if this is autistically inappropriate but what was the book?
Sorry not OP/answer, but IMO I don't think your question is inappropriate; I too would like to read that particular book while holding it at arm's length.
But don't overly focus on a root cause to the detriment of getting help. Some people respond really well to the therapy of determining where they went wrong, how they were hurt, etc. Other people respond well to a day-to-day plan of being aware of your thoughts, challenging intrusive thoughts, etc. And medication works wonders for some, and is not great or sometimes detrimental to others.
I had a close friend go through something similar last year
Sorry that happened to you. It sounds scary, but you sound like you're doing much better. I hope you are.

In the interest of openly sharing, I've had inklings of psychosis in the past while also being an absolute top performer at work. It's damaged my relationships, but never to the point of a psychotic break. A combination of getting way too focused on work for months/years, burning out, stopping exercising to try and "claw back time" for more work, way too much caffeine to push further, weed to chill and push creativity, and exploring various dosages of modafinil/adderall without a prescription. Turns out that's not something you can do to your brain for all too long, but it was also "easy" to get back to my old self once I stopped pretending I was somehow special and could cheat the system and instead focused on being as healthy of a human as I could muster. My direct boss at work and I have a very strong relationship and so he had awareness of where I was at, but nobody else.

Again, not trying to steal any limelight. Your scenario sounds more extreme and you have my deepest condolences. You're not completely alone in fighting demons.

What a coincidence, I am also somehow special and think I can beat the system. So that is encouraging to hear, thank you.
That's not normal to "just happen" for two years. I would seek professional medical advice, you may have serious underlying physiological issues that can trigger psychotic episodes as a symptom.
I'm sure they have asked questions like that, and it is indeed possible to experience such episodes without there being anything terribly out of the ordinary with you long-term.
Not to that degree but I do have to watch my mental health. Prolonged unhappiness while pushing hard to perform at work tends to undo me.

I have to have a good attitude about what I'm doing or I'll burn out. Stop sleeping properly and just turn into a wreck. While external factors play their part I've learned a lot is my internal response to the external.

I think everyone is vulnerable to some sort of snap if they're under too much stress for too long.

I'm glad to hear things are looking better for you.

Not exactly like that, no, but severe depression in combination with a divorce means I have "holes" too. That is common, at least.

These days, I don't care so much. I know I have useful if not spectacular skills, and I know if my current employer won't appreciate it or use them, then I'll find something else soon enough. Economic desperation is far enough away that it will hopefully stay far enough away, come what may. Up to a point obviously. The curveballs life can throw at you is infinite, as an old American friend said.

Long walks in the woods are still a great way to stay sane, or at least sane-ish. Don't know about imaginary fossils, but wild mushrooms of the culinary sort is great as a goal for one's wandering.

anhedonia, struggling to pay bills, messing up with psychedelics, rich people on teslas everywhere you go look at you like they are better than you. life is great.
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I am Bipolar 1 and usually in remission for about 5 years after these I go mad for 1-2 years. It's always a struggle to go back to work in the beginning I told lies like I was backpacking in xyz or just a work and travel year here and it usually worked. After enough rodeos I just was open about it and it worked out better than expected. The biggest part is to get over your nostalgia in Greek the literal translation is returning pain. You have to forgive yourself or it will always come back haunting you.

PS: I am not a pdoc but experienced with psychosis myself, it sounds like you experienced a Grandeur Delusion with hallucinations get that checked out.