The PR and marketing campaign around this is pretty good.
"The baby wasn't abandoned. Lovingly placed in box" stuff. Good shit.
If it must happen best it happen like this. I worry about increased abandonment but I assume few would do that if possible because of the very powerful biological protection we have against that.
It really is quite insane. I see my cousins once removed and the pride and joy I feel in their success and existence is tremendous. The situation must be truly dire for parents to leave their own children up for adoption.
For my part, I am content to let the people of Kentucky govern themselves as they see fit. And I hope my state makes enough room for those who find their fellow men unbearable enough that they would rather live under a different law.
> Abortion is completely banned in Kentucky because of a new law that went into effect June 24, 2022. It is legal to travel out of state to get an abortion. [0]
> Exceptions that may allow you to get an abortion in Kentucky
To save the pregnant person's life
To prevent serious risk to the pregnant person's physical health
In Italy there have been traditionally (I believe since the middle ages) the "ruote" (translate to "wheels") that were a rotating cylinder with a slot open on one side.
The mechanism was common for convents (seclusion) to be able to fetch and deliver goods without having contacts with the monks or nuns, and was later (since around 1200) used for babies in some hospitals and churches.
They have been abandoned (or prohibited) in late 19th century soon after the reunification of Italy.
In a few places something similar has been re-instated since 2000 or so, in a few countries (which do not have particularly strict laws on abortion) in Europe:
I believe these to be more connected to social assistance (to the poors, to paperless immigrants, etc.) than to abortion laws, possibly in the US they are instead linked to these new restictions on abortion.
Given the current state of the “already born and undeniably alive” segment of the world population, I find the focus on this issue at the expense of others to be somewhat reprehensible and somewhat illuminating.
But it’s pointless to discuss abortion specifically because the core disagreement is not about abortion per se, but rather at what point is a foetus “alive”.
Most of the world doesn’t agree with your interpretation of that point and instead give the women the choice rather than coercing them into a position they don’t want to be in.
Furthermore, while it is wholesome that others are willing to adopt children the aggregate statistics on babies raised through foster care in the US makes for somber reading.
The majority of these children don’t go to fantastic, picturesque white picket fence families who raise them on love and understanding: they are totally abandoned by the politicians and institutions that fight so hard for their existence up until the balance tips from “score political points” to “needs welfare”.
While that is not their fault, it is important to be aware of the history around abortion in the US and understand that those who push the narrative you subscribe to have an interest in this that supersedes any human attachment or moral guidance.
It is, at the core, quite simply a masterful piece of political positioning that was manufactured in the 1980’s.
I suspect the vast majority of abortions are to women who are freely choosing it for their own reasons (their own right to liberty). You may seek to deny their agency in the process, but if these are babies that are being killed, it's at the behest of their mothers.
No one has the right to dicate to women what to do with their body; that lack of understanding is one of the primary reasons that women are raped and abused. They have every right to have a baby or abort it, it's none of anyone else's business. I'm cool with any mother who wants to carry to birth and then remand the baby to the stand because of her beliefs, but I also feel the basic human right to do what they will with their body. No amount of religion will ever suffice to convince me of anything else, and I will continue the fight to protect women from authoritarians from the far right who don't care how many lives they harm to push their beliefs on others.
What kind of (apparently) sugarcoated bullshit is this? This is appalling even in a country (mine) as regressive as India. Even this country calls bullshit on this. Is this US specific as in nationwide, or is it a particular region there? I mean who the hell thinks like this? You got raped, had an abusive boyfriend, got trapped into being pregnant, accidental pregnancy? Fret not, there are people who “might” love your “currently foetus” on your behalf in the future. Just that you’re not supposed to terminate the pregnancy and you’ve to continue with it. Why? Because ‘Jesus loves foetuses’. Ffs!
> If you are being abused, raped, or you're a victim of incest, there are people who care about you much more than that,
Yup. Those people love you more than your rapist. What an achievement!
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[ 74.2 ms ] story [ 1518 ms ] thread"The baby wasn't abandoned. Lovingly placed in box" stuff. Good shit.
If it must happen best it happen like this. I worry about increased abandonment but I assume few would do that if possible because of the very powerful biological protection we have against that.
It really is quite insane. I see my cousins once removed and the pride and joy I feel in their success and existence is tremendous. The situation must be truly dire for parents to leave their own children up for adoption.
If the government is so incompetent that it bans a basic human right, seeing children being left for adoption is a logical consequence.
> Exceptions that may allow you to get an abortion in Kentucky To save the pregnant person's life To prevent serious risk to the pregnant person's physical health
[0] - https://www.abortionfinder.org/abortion-guides-by-state/abor...
In Italy there have been traditionally (I believe since the middle ages) the "ruote" (translate to "wheels") that were a rotating cylinder with a slot open on one side.
The mechanism was common for convents (seclusion) to be able to fetch and deliver goods without having contacts with the monks or nuns, and was later (since around 1200) used for babies in some hospitals and churches.
They have been abandoned (or prohibited) in late 19th century soon after the reunification of Italy.
In a few places something similar has been re-instated since 2000 or so, in a few countries (which do not have particularly strict laws on abortion) in Europe:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_hatch
I believe these to be more connected to social assistance (to the poors, to paperless immigrants, etc.) than to abortion laws, possibly in the US they are instead linked to these new restictions on abortion.
But it’s pointless to discuss abortion specifically because the core disagreement is not about abortion per se, but rather at what point is a foetus “alive”.
Most of the world doesn’t agree with your interpretation of that point and instead give the women the choice rather than coercing them into a position they don’t want to be in.
Furthermore, while it is wholesome that others are willing to adopt children the aggregate statistics on babies raised through foster care in the US makes for somber reading.
The majority of these children don’t go to fantastic, picturesque white picket fence families who raise them on love and understanding: they are totally abandoned by the politicians and institutions that fight so hard for their existence up until the balance tips from “score political points” to “needs welfare”.
While that is not their fault, it is important to be aware of the history around abortion in the US and understand that those who push the narrative you subscribe to have an interest in this that supersedes any human attachment or moral guidance.
It is, at the core, quite simply a masterful piece of political positioning that was manufactured in the 1980’s.
> If you are being abused, raped, or you're a victim of incest, there are people who care about you much more than that,
Yup. Those people love you more than your rapist. What an achievement!
> and we want you to be safe and healthy.
Right! For a healthy delivery, isn’t it?
> Abortion is completely banned in Kentucky with very limited exceptions because of a new Kentucky law that went into effect July 15, 2022.
The alternative is apparently dropping off babies in a box like you're returning an Amazon package.
[1] https://www.abortionfinder.org/abortion-guides-by-state/abor...