For context, for ideological reasons, DeWine chose not to spend billions in emergency money previously allocated to Ohio during an massive global emergency [1], so its sus that Ohio would ask for or need federal assistance for what amounts to a very localized emergency solely affecting a single town in a single state.
At any rate, Ohio already has the money to respond to this emergency.
> its sus that Ohio would ask for or need federal assistance for what amounts to a very localized emergency solely affecting a single town in a single state.
This is dismissive. I don't believe it's a proper categorization, at the core.
Ecological disaster that results from a train that crossed state lines, directly affecting citizens, casually appears to be a federal matter. The state is not expected to have spending and resources to cope with this type of disaster. Scale is just one quality of concern. Intensity is another. Responsibility is another. etc.
> Mission:
Reduce the loss of life and property and protect the Nation from all hazards, including
natural disasters, acts of terrorism, and other man-made disasters, by leading and
supporting the Nation in a risk-based, comprehensive emergency management
system of preparedness, protection, response, recovery, and mitigation
I guess I should have been more clear: I'm just mocking the justification DeWine used to turn down prior federal emergency funding.
Yes, it's a federal matter. The leakage crosses state lines. But Ohio already has billions in federal money it can spend toward this disaster that it is simply choosing not to spend, for ideological reasons, and which it is attempting to use to lower local taxes.
I don't understand _why_ FEMA is saying Ohio is not eligible for assistance. Is it because DeWine hasn't declared an emergency or don't the right escalation steps to get FEMA involved?
Why hasn't FEMA responded with something like; Ohio needs to do x y and z before we can assist?
Is this the federal government literally telling people to just fuck off because there's other stuff going on right now and 1000 trains derail every year? That's why FEMA or the federal government won't help because it's not a big deal?
>Why hasn't FEMA responded with something like; Ohio needs to do x y and z before we can assist?
I assume that just like any other politicized bureaucratic process there's a bunch of ambiguity built in that lets them make subjective judgement however they want.
It sounds like FEMA normally steps in when there had been mauve property damage, which isn't the case here. They may need help, just not the kind they provide.
Some of those would fall into the category of “cleanup costs” for this incident, which (unlike generic, and particularly natural, disasters) are the responsibility of a specific party – Norfolk Southern – from whom EPA has already secured a commitment to cover all costs. So, FEMA would be redundant for those.
""The state needed help testing the water and air — EPA is providing it. They called for an investigation into the derailment — the Department of Transportation is on it. The Governor today asked for help to conduct additional public health testing and assessments — we’re deploying teams from HHS and the CDC to get that done," the Biden administration official told Fox News Digital.
"Each federal agency has its own unique role here, and we’ve mobilized an interagency team to get the people of East Palestine the support they need," the official said."
> "Although FEMA is synonymous with disaster support, they’re most typically involved with disasters where there is tremendous home or property damage," Gov. DeWine continued.
> This would include situations like tornadoes, flooding or hurricanes, Gov. DeWine explained.
> "That is why we do not expect that FEMA will come to East Palestine."
> Why hasn’t FEMA responded with something like; Ohio needs to do x y and z before we can assist?
They almost certainly have (or, to the extent that FEMA is the wrong federal agency for assistance – EPA, HHS/CDC, and NTSB are heavily involved in the response already – pointed them to the correct agency), but this story is based on DeWine’s social media post, which is equally certainly a limited and biased perspective on the state-federal communication involved.
The rail company didn't show because of safety concerns. FEMA doesn't show because they're not needed, according to them. The people can't go back because it's unsafe. Let's just scratch it off the map at this point and call it a day.
There’s massive federal involvement in East Palestine (of which FEMA is a part, but not the biggest part). But a lot of the things FEMA would fund in, say, a natural disaster are things Norfolk Southern is responsible for here (and which EPA – federal, but not FEMA) has already secured a commitment from them to pay for.
Aiding a country that wants to join the American sphere of influence against a genocidal, authoritarian regime is well worth the money. Especially when they're making America's enemies bleed.
yeah, it is so useful to further ally with one of the most corrupt countries in the world, that it far outshadows the near total destruction of a small town in the US itself.
>The bear has not yet begun to fight, while NATO scrapes the barrel for weapons.
Russia is burning through its small supply of men between the ages of 25-40. Russia's going to be scraping the barrel for people as their demographic situation continues to get worse. There's a reason they're stealing other people's children like genocidal lunatics.
>America's hubris will be remembered
Always is! To add to it: the next century is looking great for the US. We're the largest food and energy producer on the planet, we're great at assimilating immigrants which will help avoid the demographic collapse facing China, Russia, and much of Europe, and we're great at producing high tech products.
The US/NATO will creep out of Ukraine within the year, just like Afghanistan.
NATO is pumping a lot of misinformation right now because it's their only strength. The fact that they're scrambling for a few old tanks is all you need to know. They don't have the cards.
> The US/NATO will creep out of Ukraine within the year, just like Afghanistan.
This wild fantasy of Russias supporters that NATO is actively involved in Ukraine is so hilarious, if NATO was actually involved the war would be over in a couple of days. NATO's capabilities are so beyond anyone else's that NATO's table scraps are fending off Russia.
> NATO is pumping a lot of misinformation right now because it's their only strength
NATO is helping the Ukrainians kill the fascists that are invading their country and raping and torturing their civilians. But if you wanna call that "misinformation" go ahead.
> They don't have the cards.
And what is the cards then? T62's?, soon longer range cruise missiles will likely be provided by the UK and you'll see the real pain start for Russia.
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[ 3.3 ms ] story [ 84.6 ms ] threadAt any rate, Ohio already has the money to respond to this emergency.
[1] https://www.cleveland.com/news/2022/06/ohio-gov-mike-dewine-...
This is dismissive. I don't believe it's a proper categorization, at the core.
Ecological disaster that results from a train that crossed state lines, directly affecting citizens, casually appears to be a federal matter. The state is not expected to have spending and resources to cope with this type of disaster. Scale is just one quality of concern. Intensity is another. Responsibility is another. etc.
https://www.fema.gov/pdf/about/fy08_fema_sp_bookmarked.pdf
> Mission: Reduce the loss of life and property and protect the Nation from all hazards, including natural disasters, acts of terrorism, and other man-made disasters, by leading and supporting the Nation in a risk-based, comprehensive emergency management system of preparedness, protection, response, recovery, and mitigation
Yes, it's a federal matter. The leakage crosses state lines. But Ohio already has billions in federal money it can spend toward this disaster that it is simply choosing not to spend, for ideological reasons, and which it is attempting to use to lower local taxes.
Why hasn't FEMA responded with something like; Ohio needs to do x y and z before we can assist?
Is this the federal government literally telling people to just fuck off because there's other stuff going on right now and 1000 trains derail every year? That's why FEMA or the federal government won't help because it's not a big deal?
I assume that just like any other politicized bureaucratic process there's a bunch of ambiguity built in that lets them make subjective judgement however they want.
It looks the the DRF does provide the type of help they need.
The DRF also funds:
The repair and restoration of qualifying disaster-damaged public infrastructure
Hazard mitigation initiatives
Financial assistance to eligible disaster survivors
Fire Management Assistance
Grants for qualifying large forest or grassland wildfires
https://www.fema.gov/about/reports-and-data/disaster-relief-...
I'd assume it's a typo plus a bad autocorrect for "massive".
"Each federal agency has its own unique role here, and we’ve mobilized an interagency team to get the people of East Palestine the support they need," the official said."
From another article:
> "Although FEMA is synonymous with disaster support, they’re most typically involved with disasters where there is tremendous home or property damage," Gov. DeWine continued.
> This would include situations like tornadoes, flooding or hurricanes, Gov. DeWine explained.
> "That is why we do not expect that FEMA will come to East Palestine."
I don't understand why FEMA would allow a Governor to be their mouth piece.
They almost certainly have (or, to the extent that FEMA is the wrong federal agency for assistance – EPA, HHS/CDC, and NTSB are heavily involved in the response already – pointed them to the correct agency), but this story is based on DeWine’s social media post, which is equally certainly a limited and biased perspective on the state-federal communication involved.
Sorry citizens.
Aiding a country that wants to join the American sphere of influence against a genocidal, authoritarian regime is well worth the money. Especially when they're making America's enemies bleed.
America's hubris will be remembered.
Russia is burning through its small supply of men between the ages of 25-40. Russia's going to be scraping the barrel for people as their demographic situation continues to get worse. There's a reason they're stealing other people's children like genocidal lunatics.
>America's hubris will be remembered
Always is! To add to it: the next century is looking great for the US. We're the largest food and energy producer on the planet, we're great at assimilating immigrants which will help avoid the demographic collapse facing China, Russia, and much of Europe, and we're great at producing high tech products.
NATO is pumping a lot of misinformation right now because it's their only strength. The fact that they're scrambling for a few old tanks is all you need to know. They don't have the cards.
This wild fantasy of Russias supporters that NATO is actively involved in Ukraine is so hilarious, if NATO was actually involved the war would be over in a couple of days. NATO's capabilities are so beyond anyone else's that NATO's table scraps are fending off Russia.
> NATO is pumping a lot of misinformation right now because it's their only strength
NATO is helping the Ukrainians kill the fascists that are invading their country and raping and torturing their civilians. But if you wanna call that "misinformation" go ahead.
> They don't have the cards.
And what is the cards then? T62's?, soon longer range cruise missiles will likely be provided by the UK and you'll see the real pain start for Russia.