Article details: he was suspended for saying that, was told that he would be "allowed to return if he recanted" - then went back to school without recanting and got arrested for trespassing.
The school is Catholic but publicly funded, he was arrested specifically for trespassing for "returning without permission".
This is a real life thing that happened, not fake news, not a fake headline, and no reason to flag or censor. Not at all my intention to mislead anyone.
I do not believe it is appropriate to simply hide this because it is inconvenient to ones politics. It needs to be discussed.
Banishing children from high school for wrong think is to me, outrageous. Suppressing mention of it is out right dystopian. Do not do this.
Yes. Absolutely. Why not get it over with now and debate it now?
That is the end result of where society is going, but "the powers that be" don't want it to happen to fast. Like right now. Or the plan might get ruined. Canada is ripe picking for denialism laws and hate speech laws as Canadians don't actually have a right to free speech. But only if they can be brought in slowly and quietly.
So yeah, throw the book at the kid. I'm sure he wants it, he picked this fight. Remember, what's the best defense? Offense. This kid is a hero. He's not playing D. He's on the offensive, and Canadians should take note.
No, not really. The situation is very confusing, frankly. Where did this come from, where is it going? WHO estimates that the prevalence of trans people is around 0,01%. How does that track with the local school here, where every 10th girl is saying they're gender-fluid or trans? When I was young (1990s), nobody was trans. Perhaps they did not dare to be, I don't know.
The numbers and prevalence don't make sense to me. If this is a growing thing (i.e. people are becoming trans who would not have otherwise), this is definitely not a good thing. Being trans is an individual tragedy (i.e. it makes the life a whole lot more difficult -- even in a society that would 100% accept it), and if it's possible to prevent that tragedy happening, we should work towards such an outcome. I don't mean conversion therapy, that's obviously bullshit. I mean regular psychological healthcare and safety, and research to the causes of the phenomenon.
That's not to say that existing trans people shouldn't have human rights. They obviously deserve the same rights that we all have, and if they want to be called in a different pronoun that we would instinctively call them, it would be just extremely impolite not to do that -- or indeed as you say, encouraging suicide.
This is run of the mill school procedure though. At least in the US. In my high-school ,circa 2008, the same rule would and has been applied to suspended students,regardless of the reasontheyweresuspended. I agree law enforcement action against students is a problematic, and I offer no solution. However, the tone of your comment feels eh.. Like it's trying to say something without saying it. Apologies if I'm misreading it.
There are always going to be touchy subjects as social and cultural history moves forward. I knew a few kids that got suspended for threatening to blow up the school after 9/11.
Sucks that kids can't make mistakes without overblown consequences, though.
> Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter.
The intermediary tweet doesn’t add to the conversation. On the contrary, it may influence your view by showing an opinion before you’ve had a chance to read the article[2], which is itself an opinion piece.
I did my best writing this headline with the number of characters HN allows to address those concerns. In fact my comment in this thread was almost verbatim copied from the person raising those concerns, so there is no excuse to call anything out as misleading.
The article is documenting actual events that happened.
Your own post may "influence views" before people have a chance to read the article by trying to essentially suppress and taint the discussion.
I've made every effort at accuracy possible, technicalities aside, we are all adults and people can make up their own minds.
> Your own post may "influence views" before people have a chance to read the article by trying to essentially suppress and taint the discussion.
I’m suppressing and tainting discussion by directly linking to the original source you yourself complained you couldn’t link to? I honestly don’t understand your logic.
> so there is no excuse to call anything out as misleading.
Which I have not done. Please don’t straw man. That’s also part of the guidelines.
> we are all adults and people can make up their own minds.
Which would then mean that my post would not have the effect you’re complaining about. The more I read your argument, the less sense it makes.
It is clear you’ve made emotionally charged edits, though. Perhaps that’s why another poster remarked you seem to be “trying to say something without saying it”. I sincerely wish you a relaxed and stress free weekend and that you can resolve whatever is on your mind, if anything.
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[ 2.7 ms ] story [ 38.0 ms ] threadThe school is Catholic but publicly funded, he was arrested specifically for trespassing for "returning without permission".
This is a real life thing that happened, not fake news, not a fake headline, and no reason to flag or censor. Not at all my intention to mislead anyone.
I do not believe it is appropriate to simply hide this because it is inconvenient to ones politics. It needs to be discussed.
Banishing children from high school for wrong think is to me, outrageous. Suppressing mention of it is out right dystopian. Do not do this.
To be clear you are arguing for jailing a high schooler for saying there are only two genders?
That is the end result of where society is going, but "the powers that be" don't want it to happen to fast. Like right now. Or the plan might get ruined. Canada is ripe picking for denialism laws and hate speech laws as Canadians don't actually have a right to free speech. But only if they can be brought in slowly and quietly.
So yeah, throw the book at the kid. I'm sure he wants it, he picked this fight. Remember, what's the best defense? Offense. This kid is a hero. He's not playing D. He's on the offensive, and Canadians should take note.
If able bodied, cis hetero conformists don't understand this, they are bigots.
If able bodied, cis hetero conformists don't accept live saving affirmative language, they are hateful and want transgender people to die.
It's all pretty clear isn't it? :)
No, not really. The situation is very confusing, frankly. Where did this come from, where is it going? WHO estimates that the prevalence of trans people is around 0,01%. How does that track with the local school here, where every 10th girl is saying they're gender-fluid or trans? When I was young (1990s), nobody was trans. Perhaps they did not dare to be, I don't know.
The numbers and prevalence don't make sense to me. If this is a growing thing (i.e. people are becoming trans who would not have otherwise), this is definitely not a good thing. Being trans is an individual tragedy (i.e. it makes the life a whole lot more difficult -- even in a society that would 100% accept it), and if it's possible to prevent that tragedy happening, we should work towards such an outcome. I don't mean conversion therapy, that's obviously bullshit. I mean regular psychological healthcare and safety, and research to the causes of the phenomenon.
That's not to say that existing trans people shouldn't have human rights. They obviously deserve the same rights that we all have, and if they want to be called in a different pronoun that we would instinctively call them, it would be just extremely impolite not to do that -- or indeed as you say, encouraging suicide.
There are always going to be touchy subjects as social and cultural history moves forward. I knew a few kids that got suspended for threatening to blow up the school after 9/11.
Sucks that kids can't make mistakes without overblown consequences, though.
> Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter.
The intermediary tweet doesn’t add to the conversation. On the contrary, it may influence your view by showing an opinion before you’ve had a chance to read the article[2], which is itself an opinion piece.
[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
[2]: https://torontosun.com/opinion/columnists/lilley-catholic-hi...
I did my best writing this headline with the number of characters HN allows to address those concerns. In fact my comment in this thread was almost verbatim copied from the person raising those concerns, so there is no excuse to call anything out as misleading.
The article is documenting actual events that happened.
Your own post may "influence views" before people have a chance to read the article by trying to essentially suppress and taint the discussion.
I've made every effort at accuracy possible, technicalities aside, we are all adults and people can make up their own minds.
I’m suppressing and tainting discussion by directly linking to the original source you yourself complained you couldn’t link to? I honestly don’t understand your logic.
> so there is no excuse to call anything out as misleading.
Which I have not done. Please don’t straw man. That’s also part of the guidelines.
> we are all adults and people can make up their own minds.
Which would then mean that my post would not have the effect you’re complaining about. The more I read your argument, the less sense it makes.
It is clear you’ve made emotionally charged edits, though. Perhaps that’s why another poster remarked you seem to be “trying to say something without saying it”. I sincerely wish you a relaxed and stress free weekend and that you can resolve whatever is on your mind, if anything.