I built ThemeSquirrel since I really like ThemeForest, but absolutely hate the browsing method. I don't want to mouse over every thumbnail to see the larger preview.
Great job! Love the design. You may consider to preload the first x designs in the html directly, its better for the seo. What about fixing deeplink urls when people click your menu? Just use a hash. Will take a look.at your Js tomorrow, got to sleep now.
It works really well. But, I consider anyone who finds the dense grid display easier than browsing down a list a savant; I have trouble focusing on just one thumbnail in the sea of others. Wasn't there a recent article about the merits of list vs box display?
Anyhow, if I narrow my window down, it looks great and my complaints go away, so good work.
I've begun to suspect the same thing. I'd love to read that article if you can find the link.
I'll add "Single-column mode" to my to-do list. I think I will also make the "Large preview mode" default as well for much the same reason.
I built the whole thing thinking a lot of thumbnails would be awesome. Which is funny because, now that it is built, I agree that it can be distracting. Oops!
User westiseast posted a blog post[1] about A/B testing a grid vs. list product displays on his online tea shop, Min River Tea, which lead to a pretty good discussion on the topic[2].
I feel the same way, it's nice on my smartphone because the thumbs are pushed into one column.
Themeforest is great, and I browse their templates weekly, if not daily, but what's with 99% of web themes having 400px high sliders on the index pages, sheesh!
Looks cool, and a nice way to get some affiliate revenue. I would suggest adding some filters (like sort by number of purchases, price, etc.), and search parameters.
Already on the to-do list for the next version! :)
Unfortunately, Envato has a rather poor affiliate program. You only make money when A) a new user signs up to their service and B) deposits money into their account.
Since most people using a tool for ThemeForest probably already have an account I don't expect to make much money. But that's ok, this was mostly built for fun and as a portfolio piece.
Unfortunately, Envato has a rather poor affiliate program
Yeah, this is an ongoing issue on the Envato forums. Most new users coming to the site probably don't make a large deposit to start. Like me, they started out with a deposit large enough to purchase a single file, or around $35. Later, when they decide they like it, they'll deposit more, but that doesn't reward the affiliate. I think they should have a smaller percentage, but spread out over the first X months, or X deposits.
We built the referral system long before we had buy it now, and a higher minimum deposit. The last serious re-visit it got was close to four years ago. It's one of those made sense at the times things that continue to work OK.
Keeping on top of referral fraud is a bit tricky too, and gets worse the more complex you make the referral system.
edit I also remember that way back then when the code was redone there was no themeforest, just flashden and audiojungle. We were heavily focused on finding new customers more than directing people to specific files. So that might give you a bit of context.
It would be nice if clicking a thumbnail went straight to the live preview. Or, if each thumbnail had two links visible, one for the info page and one for the live preview. I guess this might not work as well with your referral code though.
If you switched to a 1-column grid, the rest of the screen could be a frame that displayed the live preview inline. E.g. Alien Blue for iPad's UI.
Theoretically, yes, I can earn some money. ThemeForest's affiliate model kinda sucks though. Users have to click through and then A) sign up for a new account and B) deposit money into their account.
I'm sure they would love to hear an affiliate talking about their company like this.
And this isn't requirements of users who come in via affiliate links, that's how their entire website works... you have to have an account and deposit money in order to buy anything.
It is not obvious that the acorns are actually disclosure arrows – they look like just list bullets. I think using the standard triangle shapes would be better. Or perhaps acorns in the shape of triangles, and pointing right or down like disclosure arrows.
Sorting options (sort by name, price, rating, etc) are on the short list for me to implement. I actually have a lot of that data in my database right now, just no code to implement it yet client-side.
Upvoting is interesting though: do you mean voting on ThemeForest "through" ThemeSquirrel, or some kind of rating system that is local to my web-app?
Great site, however hate the infinite scroll. Makes it impossible to bookmark your place in the list (and is very disorienting). Also the animations of new tiles coming in are choppy and distracting.
Would work much better as a simple paged list with an option to set page size for people who prefer more options/page.
I apologize in advance if this isn't the correct place to ask, but how were you able to create a page crawler like this? What does your stack look like?
ThemeForest was scraped using a simple PHP script that fed the data through a regular expression to pull out the data. I used Baobab[1] to create the hierarchical nested-set model for categories.
Another PHP script provides the JSON API interface. It takes category ids and spits out JSON for the client-side script to consume.
The script itself is predominantly jsTree (the navigation on the left) and jQuery Masonry (the elements in the middle).
I have a 512 Linode acting as the origin server, with CloudFront providing most of the static assets (gzipped scripts, css, images, etc)
Great idea, however one of the things I most dislike about ThemeForest that is still present here are the marketing images for each theme. I'd rather just see a picture of what the template looks like.
would it be possible to have a display mode where: at the left would be a single-column scrolling list of the templates as they currently are (thumbnail + title), then to the right would be scaled down version of the live preview. then, at the top of the live preview frame, have a previous and next nav items so a user can just continuously view "near-live" sites as quick as possible. (edit: http://imgur.com/50JSp)
I think this would be very doable using iFrames. Not sure how well the live-preview sites would look inside of an iFrame, but it is an intriguing layout. I'll look into it!
"... Why is this on the front page? This isn't news, innovative, attractive, useful... none of the above ...this doesn't seem like Hacker News to me."
You've been here for 25 days and yet your sure this article isn't worthy?
I've been stumbling around for 1797 days and I still can't work out exactly what articles are "interesting to hackers" [0] Here's a hint. I find it interesting because @polyfractal displays a "HN" favourite, showing, instead of telling. If you've got experience using TF do @polyfractal a favour and explain why, instead of venting? The backbone of HN is hackers building something, showing, getting some useful feedback & rebuilding.
I've been reading HN for almost 2 years now. I just recently made an account to comment.
As somebody who has beenprogramming for 5 years & has been an avid user of theme forest for the last year... i still dont find this front page worthy, down vote or not.
Somebody scraping a site and making a less useful and less attractive version is not news to me. Websites like this making the front page on Hacker News make it equally as interesting & useful to me as say... Pintrest.
Had envato sold Theme Forest, ok... that's front news worthy. But a thin, scraped, less useful version of a site that already exists? I continue to hold my stance.
I actually find this more useful. I've spent countless hours trolling through trying to find .psd templates, admin panels, keynote templates and quick and dirty Wordpress themes for MVP's. This will greatly reduce the friction in scouring all of the files.
Seems like I'm not the only one who has found it useful and interesting.
Your site is much better than most of the scrolling preview sites (e.g., thethemelist.com is stylistic but too visually overpowering and cluttered for my eyes to parse). I say this as someone currently looking for a template. Using your site with large previews, the images were clear and easily scanned. I was able to find two potential templates and bookmark them within a few minutes.
Considering the amount of incredible tech talent at ThemeForest I'm surprised they haven't built a better way to consume all of their content. Same goes across the whole Envato company.
Hopefully they're planning a hack day or similar for this exact purpose.
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[ 3.0 ms ] story [ 93.6 ms ] threadThemeSquirrel was directly inspired by Scrollsy, the infinite scroller for Etsy that another HNer created recently (http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3458214)
Great job! Love the design. You may consider to preload the first x designs in the html directly, its better for the seo. What about fixing deeplink urls when people click your menu? Just use a hash. Will take a look.at your Js tomorrow, got to sleep now.
Anyhow, if I narrow my window down, it looks great and my complaints go away, so good work.
I'll add "Single-column mode" to my to-do list. I think I will also make the "Large preview mode" default as well for much the same reason.
I built the whole thing thinking a lot of thumbnails would be awesome. Which is funny because, now that it is built, I agree that it can be distracting. Oops!
[1] http://westiseast.co.uk/blog/product-listing-ab-test-results... [2] http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3223092
Themeforest is great, and I browse their templates weekly, if not daily, but what's with 99% of web themes having 400px high sliders on the index pages, sheesh!
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3223092
Unfortunately, Envato has a rather poor affiliate program. You only make money when A) a new user signs up to their service and B) deposits money into their account.
Since most people using a tool for ThemeForest probably already have an account I don't expect to make much money. But that's ok, this was mostly built for fun and as a portfolio piece.
Yeah, this is an ongoing issue on the Envato forums. Most new users coming to the site probably don't make a large deposit to start. Like me, they started out with a deposit large enough to purchase a single file, or around $35. Later, when they decide they like it, they'll deposit more, but that doesn't reward the affiliate. I think they should have a smaller percentage, but spread out over the first X months, or X deposits.
Keeping on top of referral fraud is a bit tricky too, and gets worse the more complex you make the referral system.
edit I also remember that way back then when the code was redone there was no themeforest, just flashden and audiojungle. We were heavily focused on finding new customers more than directing people to specific files. So that might give you a bit of context.
If you switched to a 1-column grid, the rest of the screen could be a frame that displayed the live preview inline. E.g. Alien Blue for iPad's UI.
And this isn't requirements of users who come in via affiliate links, that's how their entire website works... you have to have an account and deposit money in order to buy anything.
I know, we're never satisfied.
Upvoting is interesting though: do you mean voting on ThemeForest "through" ThemeSquirrel, or some kind of rating system that is local to my web-app?
Would work much better as a simple paged list with an option to set page size for people who prefer more options/page.
Another PHP script provides the JSON API interface. It takes category ids and spits out JSON for the client-side script to consume.
The script itself is predominantly jsTree (the navigation on the left) and jQuery Masonry (the elements in the middle).
I have a 512 Linode acting as the origin server, with CloudFront providing most of the static assets (gzipped scripts, css, images, etc)
[1] http://www.sideralis.org/baobab/
This isn't news, innovative, attractive, useful... none of the above.
This is basically a tumblr of theme photos that have affiliate links to make you money. This is just an affiliate landing page with a wood texture.
And as somebody who spends thousands a year on TF, this site is not useful to me. Sorry, just... this doesn't seem like Hacker News to me.
You've been here for 25 days and yet your sure this article isn't worthy?
I've been stumbling around for 1797 days and I still can't work out exactly what articles are "interesting to hackers" [0] Here's a hint. I find it interesting because @polyfractal displays a "HN" favourite, showing, instead of telling. If you've got experience using TF do @polyfractal a favour and explain why, instead of venting? The backbone of HN is hackers building something, showing, getting some useful feedback & rebuilding.
Lead the way.
[0] "What to submit" ~ http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
As somebody who has beenprogramming for 5 years & has been an avid user of theme forest for the last year... i still dont find this front page worthy, down vote or not.
Somebody scraping a site and making a less useful and less attractive version is not news to me. Websites like this making the front page on Hacker News make it equally as interesting & useful to me as say... Pintrest.
Had envato sold Theme Forest, ok... that's front news worthy. But a thin, scraped, less useful version of a site that already exists? I continue to hold my stance.
Seems like I'm not the only one who has found it useful and interesting.
Hopefully they're planning a hack day or similar for this exact purpose.