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klodolph
Someone should mention package manager performance. Searching for a package in an Arch system will take a long time (10s or more) except on relatively fresh installs. It may have been fixed by now, but it was a serious point of irritation.
Avshalom
Were you using XFS at the time? Search has never been a problem for me even on multi year old installs, but there was (is?) something about XFS that made pacman slow to a crawl.
klodolph
Nope. The problem happened on multiple systems (i386, x64) regardless of filesystem (ext3, reiser), although problems only start after a few months. I found a bug in the bug tracker for it with multiple people confirming it and the "solution" was to wipe the package database manually every once in a while.
lclarkmichalek
Personally I use the zsh completion for pacman over pacman -S as it is much faster
clhodapp
Running pacman-optimize (part of the base pacman package) occasionally keeps the performance at an acceptable level for me.
nodata
The yum stuff is missing parts...

Use some magic to fix broken dependencies in a system: yum distro-sync or yum check and decide.

Remove dependencies that are no longer needed: package-cleanup --orphans

Downloads the corresponding source package(s) to the given package name(s): yumdownloader --source PACKAGENAME

etc.

l0nk
If you think something is missing feel free to add it =)

And regarding the speed, well I got a server under Archlinux et another one under Debian, they have the same age (around 1 year ago, when squeeze come out) and pacman is more more quicker!

g3orge
I was waiting something like that for a long time.
nicktelford
I can't believe there are Debian/Ubuntu folks still not using "aptitude". Or that it's not installed by default.
Mavrik
I've been using Ubuntu with apt-get for quite a few years now. What additional funcionality does aptitude offer over "plain" apt-get?
nicktelford
The biggest advantage is when removing packages; its dependency resolution is (supposedly) much better so it's able to find and remove orphan packages more accurately without hosing your system.

It's also got a much friendlier set of commands:

  $ apt-get upgrade vim # aptitude upgrade vim

  $ apt-get dist-upgrade # aptitude full-upgrade

  $ apt-cache search # aptitude search

  $ apt-get install --reinstall vim # aptitude reinstall vim

  $ apt-get remove --purge vim # aptitude purge vim
The list goes on.

It's also got an awesome ncurses based interactive interface if you just type:

  $ aptitude
Great for sysadmins who miss synaptic or anyone who feels like a GUI is just too mainstream.
ernesth
apt-get also is able to remove orphaned libraries.

Among other "advantages" of aptitude, it can be terribly slower than apt-get. And it has a "smart" dependency engine that often proposes convoluted solutions (involving uninstalling packages I don't want uninstalled) when apt-get will simply update the dependency and their dependents... But at least, if you don't agree with the first solutions, it has others (sometimes including the one apt-get chooses).

bostonvaulter2
What's the history of the aptitude and apt-* family of commands? Why do they both exist?
JoshTriplett
Aptitude has an optional screen-oriented GUI, much better search and filtering capabilities, a listing of "new" packages each time you update, and an excellent dependency resolver.
obtu
My favourite feature is the search capabilities, which are well integrated and extremely powerful.

    # installed packages with yaml in the name
    aptitude search '~i yaml'

    # installed packages requiring yaml
    # (~D means depends on)
    aptitude search '~i ~D yaml'

    # packages whose name starts with lib and
    # mentioning SQL in their descriptions
    aptitude search '^lib ~d sql'

    # installed packages from some non-standard repo
    # apt-cache policy describes package origins
    aptitude search '~i ?origin(apt.opscode.com)'

    # why is libvirt0 installed?
    aptitude why libvirt0

    # which ubuntu metapackage is keeping libvirt0 installed?
    aptitude why '~i ubun' libvirt0 

    # don't keep any transitional package installed
    sudo aptitude markauto '~i ~d transitional'

    # purge ganeti packages
    sudo aptitude purge '~i ganeti'
nicktelford
I didn't know about this matching. Awesome.

Now I'm even more annoyed that our servers are all CentOS :(

obtu
On Debian, I definitely use aptitude. However it hasn't been updated for Ubuntu's recent work on multiarch, and thus actions requiring dependency resolution are not usable anymore on many Oneiric installs (those that are amd64 with a few i586 packages).
sciurus
I think there's a perception that aptitude can be to smart for its own good. From the Debian Reference:

"Although the aptitude command comes with rich features such as its enhanced package resolver, this complexity has caused (or may still causes) some regressions such as Bug #411123, Bug #514930, and Bug #570377. In case of doubt, please use the apt-get and apt-cache commands over the aptitude command."

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-reference/ch02.en.h...

jff
I ran "aptitude dist-upgrade" on my netbook once.

It ate up the entire 1 GB of RAM and got OOM killed before it could finish computing dependencies.

I shouldn't need a swap partition just to update packages. So now I use apt-get if I'm upgrading a lot of packages at once. aptitude for other tasks.

bradleyland
Most Debian/Ubuntu admins I know use aptitude these days, rather than apt-<tool> directly.
pavelkaroukin
Could you please elaborate or give a link to article(s) about why aptitude is better?
monkeyfacebag
Aptitude handles package removal, especially orphaned dependencies much better. I think it's now included in the Debian base system, so there's very little reason to prefer apt.
saghul
I actually use apt-get because I like to keep my system with the least amount of packages installed. I don't need any of the "recommended" packages, and if I do I'd install them manually.

Also, I usually use deborphan to find orphaned packages and remove them, if apt-get autoremove didn't find them.

Tobu
Recommends are handled the same way by both tools nowadays. There are configuration options and flags to switch them off it you prefer.
sciurus
You probably already know this, but apt-get defaults to installing recommended packages since Debian Lenny. Ubuntu may have been doing it for longer. To disable this, you have to set 'APT::Install-Recommends "false";' in apt.conf
technomancy
I tried switching to aptitude, but the fact that its search defaults to OR for terms rather than AND made it completely unusable.

I guess I could keep using apt-cache for searching and aptitude for installation/removal though.

stouset
What? Its search is a regex, plain and simple.
phunehehe
Hah! So there is something on the front page of HN that I have referred to for years :)