I am an American living in Spain, running an American company, paying US taxes. I am neither a Spanish citizen nor a permanent resident. Google decided that my accounts are Spanish and switched them. "Bard is not available in your country". My country is the USA. I wonder what's next, my American Google voice and Google Fi phone numbers so i lose US banking access? Be very scared of this Orwellian company.
You would prefer companies know your citizenship and immigration status, somehow verify that, and tie their services to it? And that would somehow preserve your privacy better than geolocation?
Yes, i can submit photos holding my passport with a piece of paper with a code written on it, my driver's license: somehow it's enough for the KYC in all crypto exchanges and in all online stock brokers, but Google won't take that.
Google cant even get my language right - and its right there in my request headers. For some reason they always want to base it on geolocation.
And then, when you go to change the language, it shows all the language options in the language you are trying to translate from. So useful for people travelling to countries where they dont speak the language, or cant distinguish the characters...
Geolocation is a sucky way of deciding anything about a user.
The question isn't one of citizenship or abstract identity. The question is "Which laws will the content you are served be subject to?". If you don't want to be subject to Spanish law, get out of Spain.
So why do they wait 6 months and not change immediately when you get off the plane and use your android phone? And then back? When i get back to the US, i will have Spanish Google accounts for at least 6 (or 12?) months, while using them from my own house.
Look, the problem here is that internet providers are trying to follow the law ("avoid fines" if you prefer the cynical framing). The law is different in EU countries than it is in the USA, in some very important ways. And they need to be seen making a good faith effort to enforce those laws. A six month grace period for an account "primarily used" in one regime seems not terribly unreasonable to me.
But that's not what your original comment was asking for anyway. You wanted to be sitting in Barcelona or wherever and e.g. not be subject to the GDPR and EU-specific data retention requirements (which is presumably the issue here: Bard likely isn't yet compliant being probably all hosted in the USA).
Other issues aside, is that actually legal? I've always been under the impression that you need to pay local taxes wherever you're working but would be delighted to be proven wrong.
You don't pay Spanish taxes if you don't derive any income from Spain and if you are less than 183 days per year in the country. If you are more than 183 days per year in the country, there's a Spanish tax treaty with the US, and you pay US taxes on your US income anyway.
And if all you have is $10mm on your checking account but no income, you don't pay any taxes anywhere.
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1. I’m a U.S. citizen living and working outside of the United States for many years. Do I still need to file a U.S. tax return?
Yes, if you are a U.S. citizen or a resident alien living outside the United States, your worldwide income is subject to U.S. income tax, regardless of where you live. However, you may qualify for certain foreign earned income exclusions and/or foreign income tax credits. Visit Publication 54, Tax Guide for U.S. Citizens and Resident Aliens Abroad, for additional information.
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Cannot speak for the post above, but yes, you can work on a different country and still pay taxes on your origin country. Doesn't work for any country or any circumstance though.
Typical case is when you work for a multi-national company and they send you to work in a different country for less than 183 days, you will keep paying taxes in your own country despite your legal employer is now the legal entity in the new country.
Google put one of my email account into a state that I cannot change the password. It somebody wants to brute force the pass from 2010 free to do so. Nothing I can do.
FYI, If you are abroad for longer than a year, they will shutdown call and data access for your Google Fi. Learned the hard way. That said, their technical support was absolutely robotic and useless, and might as well be replaced with Bard, whatever state its in.
They already have (i was sick with covid, walking to a store when i suddenly lost online maps and data access), i am using voice/SMS only for 2FA authentication for all my American business, including banking and brokerages. Perhaps they cannot shut the voice down due to some FCC consequences. Scary.
It feels like Google Fi is in maintenance mode. Someone got their promotion and moved on. I used to this the Deprecated by Google memes were harsh, but that will be the last time I rely on a Google product for work or life.
I had a situation fairly similar as a Canadian living in Spain. I moved back to Canada and my account was now “Spanish” and it caused all sorts of issues, especially with my google home minis. I also had a hard time adding a Canadian credit card to my account to pay for Google Workspaces.
lol, google will routinely still show me swedish maps results when I haven't been there in 8 years. They're notoriously bad at this, it's ridiculous.
Of course I agree that this is high-risk in that their location thingy is unstable and trigger happy enough as is, and good luck reaching a human if some system does decide to block you.
Yeah, I suspect folk who reside in perfectly civilized countries without any geopolitical hindrances to be locked out for a long while--which, given Google's usual inability to reach out across Europe, may mean we'll only have access when it's about to be cancelled.
Hello, my friend. Your question has given me pause for thought on the subject of achieving desired results.
If we consider the desired outcome of a particular thing, then failure to achieve that outcome cannot be considered acceptable. However, we must allow for a sufficiency of time wherein the thing will progress and improve before coming to a conclusion.
On the other hand, if we contemplate the impact of a thing on its intended audience, then it must meet their expectations and desires to be deemed as effective. It is important to note that the relevance of a thing to its observers may depend on various factors such as timing and perspective.
Ultimately, effectiveness is determined by the desired outcome and the audience it serves. We must assess the purpose of the thing and its surroundings to determine its success or failure. It is similar to crafting a powerful message - we must consider the intended recipients and create a message that resonates with them.
Still better than Apple! I pay the full price for Apple One but Apple thinks I shouldn't have access to Fitness+. Or Siri, which still doesn't support my language (Polish, 40M speakers) and has problems recognizing my English accent (whereas Google speech recognition works fine).
I'm always fascinated to understand the "why" when something is allowed in the U.S. but not Canada. Especially so when it's also allowed in the U.K. We're basically a perfect (I'm sarcastically winking here) mix of those two countries!
Actually joking aside, being unable to offer it in French makes some sense as to why they omit a region. Now I want to wander off and find a list of countries where English is the only official language.
It's likely Part 3 of bill C-27 (the "Act respecting artificial intelligence systems and data used in artificial intelligence systems"). Google isn't going to launch Bard in Canada if they'll have to pull Bard once C-27 passes.
basically not all countries speak english as a first language, so it wouldn't make sense to put it in all countries. secondly, staggered rollout is pretty common
Speaking as someone who had to decide how to distribute anonymous work, language is extremely difficult to track as even if the system language is set to English, comprehension and literacy are not necessarily at the level you need for the data you get back to be useful. It is much more effective to select for countries in the 95th percentile of the English Proficiency Index.
Languages are not monoliths. Compare UK vs US English.
Similarly, it is increasingly common to get two Spanish tracks… one for “Latin American” Spanish (which is what you almost certainly learned if you took Spanish in school) and European (aka Iberian or Castilian) Spanish.
One of the most obvious is that ce/ci, and some z’s are pronounced “th” and not “s”. So a Spaniard would say “cinco” as something like “thinko”.
This why it’s “wor-es” (Juarez) Mexico, but “her-eth” (Jerez) Spain.
> Actually nowadays I bet higher percentage of Swedes know English than know Swedish.
Is that hyperbole? Because that would be very sad if true, culturally speaking. There are 5 different official languages in my country (Spain) and there are several laws to prevent them from becoming extinct for this very reason.
It's not hyperbole, but I also don't have data to back this up.
I guess I should say I'm counting adults. Everyone who went through mandatory schooling was taught English. Everyone who didn't (immigrated) is more likely to know English than Swedish.
So the only people who know Swedish but not English would be those who flunked out half way through mandatory schooling, or immigrants who knew neither English nor Swedish, and only learned Swedish.
Swedish is not disappearing (c.f. your example in Spain), but basically everyone speaking Swedish is (at least) bilingual.
Let's just say Google is far more mainstream than ChatGPT. Non-tech Normies who haven't tried or heard of ChatGPT will hear about Bard trust Google and would want to try it asap.
Whether you agree with it or not, the EU has proved itself to take consistently anti-big US tech stances, so I can see why they might be deterred from releasing to that market without obvious financial benefits.
You've apparently never interfaced with lawyers before.
A startup is free to release globally, because nobody will care if they spit out something false, there's no money to extract for penalties and fines.
If Google's Bard says one thing wrong in the wrong country, it has the potential to cost the company hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars.
In places like the EU, governments see Google as a giant piggybank of funding. They know Google will not pull out of any region as large as the EU, so they will use any excuse to introduce fines and penalties. They also know Google can, and will pay. Hence they've hit Google with nearly €10B in fines over the last few years.
> In places like the EU, governments see Google as a giant piggybank of funding. They know Google will not pull out of any region as large as the EU, so they will use any excuse to introduce fines and penalties. They also know Google can, and will pay. Hence they've hit Google with nearly €10B in fines over the last few years
I'll play with it, but this is exactly why I won't be depending on it for anything. Can't trust that Google isn't going to drop Bard if it isn't an immediate and roaring success.
That’s why they locked you out. You are a paying user who needs a good product. And You are not one of those google fans who dishes out money to google for things you don’t need. So you will get the product once it comes out of beta.
Google has lost it completely. I realised when no one was bragging about working for Google or applying for Google about 5 or so years ago.....that it was no longer a cool place to work...just politicians with engineering titles.
It's at https://bard.google.com - I tried to join the waitlist but this is yet another Google service where Google Workspaces accounts simply don't work.
It looks like it also uses a 7th design of the accounts popdown, and only allows one google account. Literally no one at Google understands how accounts work: https://grumpy.website/post/0PU1U2r3v (this was 5 years ago, nothing has changed)
The new design is already in Drive and Docs - And it's just a new UI for the same embedded account switcher that's existed. Odd that it prevents switching, but it's probably enough to deter at least 75% of people trying to sign up multiple accounts for the waitlist.
All I want is to be able to select a "default" account in that list. Or reorder them. Currently if you type 'gmail.com' it automatically goes to the first account you logged in with (in the url as numbers /1/ /2/). It's annoying to have to manually log them all out to reorder this.
That's been the case for a while, i'm sure it has come up before and there's some tech debt or external system (maybe the android and chrome account switcher integrations?) that prohibit them from changing it without a massive user-facing behavior change.
For bard specifically, you can do ?authuser=x where x is the account number as defined by other apps like Gmail or Drive.
I suppose it depends on what you consider the average person - it's not available for free, but it is available as part of the $20/month ChatGPT Plus. I suspect $20/month is very affordable for most HN users.
ChatGPT Plus is very bad value vs ChatGPT API (particularly now that 3rd party chat clients exist)... I've spent $20 on ChatGPT Plus in the same month where I've spent < $1 on the API and used it significantly more via my github bot.
My subscription is due for renewal this week and I was going to cancel it, but for me it's worth it short-term for GPT-4 access. The increased context size and improvements in reasoning & general output quality are significant for my use cases.
GPT-4 access in ChatGPT Plus is quite limited (was originally 100 every few hours, currently 25 and going lower since they're struggling to keep up with demand) but that's still enough to get useful results out of it currently, especially if you have built up some intuition on how to prompt using 3.5.
It says it doesn't support my personal Google Workspace account, my corporate one, nor my Gmail account. I'm starting to think maybe they aren't ready for us to try it out after all...
Yeah but other systems are more open. Undoubtedly it is about legal risk management - yet goog should have gotten its lawyers to draft whatever global TOS they needed to protect themselves up front. This has enough visibility and they had the lead time.
"After years of cautious development" Google makes another very cautious step towards a product release.
I can't imagine why even their waitlist itself needs to be geo capped completely, just let us join, release it to some US users first then sign me up when it's ready globally.
Of course it’s silly but now there are data privacy laws everywhere that prevent a large company that makes money from just pressing “international release” and forgetting about it. Seriously.
Well sure, but I'm talking about country-specific laws. Like in Canada you have to follow some strict rules requiring you to inform users about how your software updates itself and receive consent to update at registration time. In China the laws about sending automated SMS are more strict. GDPR considers IPs PII when the rest of the world generally does not. CCPA requires statements about how you use consumer data to be present during registration. And so on.
Basically, different jurisdictions recognize different individual data and privacy rights. Sometimes the requirements even conflict. It's not obvious that there is some universal way to treat data that is acceptable by all, nor what it would be if it did exist. Cookie banners are an example of this going horribly wrong. EU wants to "protect people" online so they require websites to ask consent to use cookies when every browser already allows users to configure cookie policy defaults and on a per-site basis in the settings. Everyone interpreted GDPR as some big movement towards user privacy and adopted cookie consent banners for all users as the "right thing" and the world is worse for it. EU is backpedaling on the banners. Multiple browsers offer features that block them outright.
Uh, Google frequently only released products for the US market, e.g. Google Home, Google Voice, Chromecast, and others were released US only (sometimes for over a year before available outside of the US).
Chromecast is physical product, so it would be limited if they don't want to pay international shipping charges. Google voice gives you country number, so it would be limited. Google home does make sense as it could only work with partners so if they launch in other countries without partner, it could mean bad reputation.
Here it is just a site with nothing related to region.
C'mon, we're not talking about some startup here. Google is a global mega-corp, if they really wanted they could launch every single product globally, no matter if physical or not.
Possible actual reason: Google understands US law very well and decided this was a reasonable sweet spot to maximize publicity and use, minimize legal risk. With new tech, it’s hard to know what regional regs could be violated. Countries with stronger data regulation regimes are higher risk to launch anything in.
It’s one of the costs to better privacy controls. You’re not going to get the latest hotness because teams have to think through the risks.
Nope. Even if you pass the criteria, it's still a waitlist. <You’ll receive another email when it’s your turn to test Bard.> I'll update if they actually grant access today.
Alright, I've tried it and with some identical prompting between Bard and ChatGPT, Bard seems notably inferior. It is faster in generation, but the overall quality of response and contextual understanding isn't quite as good. Also, it straight-up refuses to even attempt writing code, returning this message: "I'm designed solely to process and generate text, so I'm unable to assist you with that."
"Bard isn’t currently supported in your country." The fast adoption of ChatGTP was not is quality but the easy access. I hear about it and the day after I had a shortcut in my browser. If I need to have a reminder to check each week for "Is available yet ?" I will probably lost interest.
"The new A.I. chatbot will be available to a limited number of users in the United States and Britain and will accommodate additional users, countries and languages over time, Google executives said in an interview."
> But Google is taking a much more circumspect approach than its competitors, which have faced criticism that they are proliferating an unpredictable and sometimes untrustworthy technology.
It's interesting how they use the AI ethics excuse. Maybe the real problem is that there's isn't as good as the competition, or to their own standards, and they are being careful not to damage their brand by being so behind.
Google track record tells us they have no problem with with blurry ethic lines. They create the software for weapons, track the entire planet and were part of PRISM.
So yes, I tend to think your explanation is most likely.
If you're thinking of Project Maven, that ended in 2019, so I would use past tense.
> were part of PRISM
As I understand it, the NSA was snooping on Google's internal traffic between services. Google was not complicit, at least there's no evidence of that.
You said "were" part of PRISM, so I thought you were thinking of the related MUSCULAR program, where "GCHQ and the NSA have secretly broken into the main communications links that connect the data centers of Yahoo! and Google" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUSCULAR). Presumably Google's deployment of TLS for internal traffic after the Snowden leaks put an end to that.
If you're thinking of PRISM itself, I'm not sure in what sense Google is "part of" it? Google sometimes provides data in response to court orders, but there's not much they can do about that.
Ethics and possible business interruption are both very good reasons for them to be safe.
And since they released the paper, i think ethics was a much bigger concern than I'd normally think. Hell, even they don't even fully understand the math behind it since it was found by AI as far as I know.
Microsoft and OpenAI benefiting from it feels a bit off.
What a joke; limited country release to limited group of people. That’s a broken car at the start of the race, not a lot more at this point when your competitors are already full-blown out there.
"We're starting to start the beginning of letting people try so they can now apply to our waitlist so they can be emailed that it's their turn to try Bard, the AI experiment."
Can I be part of the delegation that will be discussing the formation of a committee to institute the process of allowing people to sign up to be waitlisted for the consideration for the opportunity to potentially begin to start seeing how to use Bard?
You have been added to the wait list that will be submitted to the review board that has yet to be set up to discuss whether or not they should consider the question of if such a delegation is warranted. However, there is no guarantee that said board will be assembled prior to Bard's cancellation.
It really is remarkable. Didn't read a single account of an actual user, only people commemorating the times Google was able to deliver quality software and how they are absolutely dead.
This is their lifeline in a potential Bing + ChatGPT world, this product right here is supposed to save them from actual competition, and yet they act like complete and utter idiots.
In my company's workspace when I try to join the waitlist it says "Bard does not currently support Google Workspace accounts or when our systems indicate you may be under 18."
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[ 2.9 ms ] story [ 301 ms ] threadYou would prefer companies know your citizenship and immigration status, somehow verify that, and tie their services to it? And that would somehow preserve your privacy better than geolocation?
And then, when you go to change the language, it shows all the language options in the language you are trying to translate from. So useful for people travelling to countries where they dont speak the language, or cant distinguish the characters...
Geolocation is a sucky way of deciding anything about a user.
Look, the problem here is that internet providers are trying to follow the law ("avoid fines" if you prefer the cynical framing). The law is different in EU countries than it is in the USA, in some very important ways. And they need to be seen making a good faith effort to enforce those laws. A six month grace period for an account "primarily used" in one regime seems not terribly unreasonable to me.
But that's not what your original comment was asking for anyway. You wanted to be sitting in Barcelona or wherever and e.g. not be subject to the GDPR and EU-specific data retention requirements (which is presumably the issue here: Bard likely isn't yet compliant being probably all hosted in the USA).
And if all you have is $10mm on your checking account but no income, you don't pay any taxes anywhere.
Wealth taxes are a thing too, e.g., in Switzerland.
https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/freq...
<quote> 1. I’m a U.S. citizen living and working outside of the United States for many years. Do I still need to file a U.S. tax return?
Yes, if you are a U.S. citizen or a resident alien living outside the United States, your worldwide income is subject to U.S. income tax, regardless of where you live. However, you may qualify for certain foreign earned income exclusions and/or foreign income tax credits. Visit Publication 54, Tax Guide for U.S. Citizens and Resident Aliens Abroad, for additional information. </quote>
Typical case is when you work for a multi-national company and they send you to work in a different country for less than 183 days, you will keep paying taxes in your own country despite your legal employer is now the legal entity in the new country.
Not available in your country. Sigh.
The waiting list to the waiting list to the waiting list…
Of course I agree that this is high-risk in that their location thingy is unstable and trigger happy enough as is, and good luck reaching a human if some system does decide to block you.
Or as the old saying goes, “if a google product is felled in a forest, and there’s no users to notice, did google really fail?”
If we consider the desired outcome of a particular thing, then failure to achieve that outcome cannot be considered acceptable. However, we must allow for a sufficiency of time wherein the thing will progress and improve before coming to a conclusion.
On the other hand, if we contemplate the impact of a thing on its intended audience, then it must meet their expectations and desires to be deemed as effective. It is important to note that the relevance of a thing to its observers may depend on various factors such as timing and perspective.
Ultimately, effectiveness is determined by the desired outcome and the audience it serves. We must assess the purpose of the thing and its surroundings to determine its success or failure. It is similar to crafting a powerful message - we must consider the intended recipients and create a message that resonates with them.
I'm guessing it's purely regulatory?
I really get the feeling that Google is terrified of success. They haven't launched a new sucessful product in God knows how long.
Any connection you draw between native language and region is tenuous at best.
Similarly, it is increasingly common to get two Spanish tracks… one for “Latin American” Spanish (which is what you almost certainly learned if you took Spanish in school) and European (aka Iberian or Castilian) Spanish.
One of the most obvious is that ce/ci, and some z’s are pronounced “th” and not “s”. So a Spaniard would say “cinco” as something like “thinko”.
This why it’s “wor-es” (Juarez) Mexico, but “her-eth” (Jerez) Spain.
Is that hyperbole? Because that would be very sad if true, culturally speaking. There are 5 different official languages in my country (Spain) and there are several laws to prevent them from becoming extinct for this very reason.
I guess I should say I'm counting adults. Everyone who went through mandatory schooling was taught English. Everyone who didn't (immigrated) is more likely to know English than Swedish.
So the only people who know Swedish but not English would be those who flunked out half way through mandatory schooling, or immigrants who knew neither English nor Swedish, and only learned Swedish.
Swedish is not disappearing (c.f. your example in Spain), but basically everyone speaking Swedish is (at least) bilingual.
Is that how you call trying to protect consumers over there? Really, there are genuinely good reasons for those "stances".
A startup is free to release globally, because nobody will care if they spit out something false, there's no money to extract for penalties and fines.
If Google's Bard says one thing wrong in the wrong country, it has the potential to cost the company hundreds of millions or even billions of dollars.
In places like the EU, governments see Google as a giant piggybank of funding. They know Google will not pull out of any region as large as the EU, so they will use any excuse to introduce fines and penalties. They also know Google can, and will pay. Hence they've hit Google with nearly €10B in fines over the last few years.
Microsoft could completely kill Bing in the EU with very little effect to their bottom line.
But you do bring up a good point. Why be so conservative if Bard isn't even tied in with Google search?
My only guess is Google turning into a global whipping boy for fines has made them trigger shy.
Those fines were clearly not high enough.
> Bard does not currently support Google Workspace accounts or when our systems indicate you may be under 18
OpenAI takes my Google Workspace Account just fine. Nice job Google. Locking out a user who is on a >$25 enterprise plan with you.
Why is every interaction with Google so stupid? Why can that multi-billion dollar company not deliver any good software?
An early release is not worth the time and effort for professional support.
OpenAI doesn't have those constraints with a google workspace account.
"Bard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned!"
Back to GPT-4 then!
For bard specifically, you can do ?authuser=x where x is the account number as defined by other apps like Gmail or Drive.
ChatGPT Plus is very bad value vs ChatGPT API (particularly now that 3rd party chat clients exist)... I've spent $20 on ChatGPT Plus in the same month where I've spent < $1 on the API and used it significantly more via my github bot.
My subscription is due for renewal this week and I was going to cancel it, but for me it's worth it short-term for GPT-4 access. The increased context size and improvements in reasoning & general output quality are significant for my use cases.
GPT-4 access in ChatGPT Plus is quite limited (was originally 100 every few hours, currently 25 and going lower since they're struggling to keep up with demand) but that's still enough to get useful results out of it currently, especially if you have built up some intuition on how to prompt using 3.5.
Guess I won't try it then ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
You can use workspace data with open ai because there is no agreement in place restricting the use of that data.
Why do they even limit access depending on the country? It’s a chatbot, not a financial service.
I can't imagine why even their waitlist itself needs to be geo capped completely, just let us join, release it to some US users first then sign me up when it's ready globally.
Basically, different jurisdictions recognize different individual data and privacy rights. Sometimes the requirements even conflict. It's not obvious that there is some universal way to treat data that is acceptable by all, nor what it would be if it did exist. Cookie banners are an example of this going horribly wrong. EU wants to "protect people" online so they require websites to ask consent to use cookies when every browser already allows users to configure cookie policy defaults and on a per-site basis in the settings. Everyone interpreted GDPR as some big movement towards user privacy and adopted cookie consent banners for all users as the "right thing" and the world is worse for it. EU is backpedaling on the banners. Multiple browsers offer features that block them outright.
You get the point.
Here it is just a site with nothing related to region.
Bard is probably not optimized and would completely overload the hardware Google has available for it should it be released worldwide.
That just shows how far ahead Microsoft is on that one.
It’s one of the costs to better privacy controls. You’re not going to get the latest hotness because teams have to think through the risks.
I'm not impressed.
Yes, I understand the pressure is huge. But all those "soon" are not helping.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So no, no they didn't release it.
It's interesting how they use the AI ethics excuse. Maybe the real problem is that there's isn't as good as the competition, or to their own standards, and they are being careful not to damage their brand by being so behind.
Google track record tells us they have no problem with with blurry ethic lines. They create the software for weapons, track the entire planet and were part of PRISM.
So yes, I tend to think your explanation is most likely.
If you're thinking of Project Maven, that ended in 2019, so I would use past tense.
> were part of PRISM
As I understand it, the NSA was snooping on Google's internal traffic between services. Google was not complicit, at least there's no evidence of that.
"PRISM collects stored internet communications based on demands made to internet companies such as Google LLC"
If you're thinking of PRISM itself, I'm not sure in what sense Google is "part of" it? Google sometimes provides data in response to court orders, but there's not much they can do about that.
Google was sitting on this since 2017.
Ethics and possible business interruption are both very good reasons for them to be safe.
And since they released the paper, i think ethics was a much bigger concern than I'd normally think. Hell, even they don't even fully understand the math behind it since it was found by AI as far as I know.
Microsoft and OpenAI benefiting from it feels a bit off.
>Stay tuned!
No, I don't think I will.
> Bard isn’t currently supported in your country. Stay tuned!
nice /s
Whats the point of this big announcement then? Google is such a caricature of corporatism and blunders, it’s just sad.
This is their lifeline in a potential Bing + ChatGPT world, this product right here is supposed to save them from actual competition, and yet they act like complete and utter idiots.