Hyundai is firing on all cylinders (anachronism?) with their design language. The question will be whether the market pushes them back to 'standard' design or whether they are in fact the innovators of a new design and everybody emulates it.
Hyundai group has Kia, Hyundai and Genesis. Basically an individual brand for every taste. I ordered one year ago and now canceled a Kia. Looks like, their factories are well loaded and Hyundai group doesn’t care about customers at all.
Honest question, what is the brand differentiation between Kia and Hyundai? They both occupy the cheap economy segment, at least in the USA. Is kia supposed to be mid-market? I guess they have the telluride and stinger…
No, Hyundai is more upmarket than Kia. Well, maybe upmarket isn't the right term; Kia is marketed towards younger and hipper people, and Hyundai the stodgier. Compare the design of the Telluride to the Palisade or the K5 to the Sonata.
Yeah, this particular line, and the large C pillar mask in the rear windows combined with super tiny quarter glass, just do not at all work for me. But I can see how they might for others; and I quite like the rear aspect. Still… the drag numbers stand for themselves; I give credit to any designer who can keep a sense of character or style in a car with zero compromise on drag.
Between this and the Ioniq 5, Hyundai seems to have just decided that electric cars need to look as weird as possible.
(It's possibly not the worst idea; electric cars tend to look a _bit_ weird anyway due to the lack of a proper front grille, so maybe going deliberately extremely weird is as good a way as any to handle it...)
I am often disappointed that EVs looks so much like ICE cars. This should be an opportunity to rethink how to design a car so I hope there will be even "weirder" cars.
I like the styling of both Ionics (and the Kia EV6). It's not surprising that being electric can influence some design choices - shorter bonnet, more cabin space, etc. Also when you say "weird" consider the old Nissan Leafs - those looked awful. It seems like things are looking up.
(I think the Aptera takes the idea that an EV can be something much different to a much higher level than Hyundai does and I like what Aptera has come up with - probably will be the most efficient vehicle in production if it makes it into production)
I actually love that. A lot of the design constraints previously were ICE related. I want companies to start experimenting with what we can do now that the power train is greatly simplified.
Surprised to hear the design is divisive. Aside from the rims and Hyundai logo, I think it looks very cool and makes the Model 3 look even more dated.
The 'legacy' manufacturers are killing it with their EV plans lately so I'd be pretty bearish for Tesla if I had skin in the game. I don't expect them to have a new model or redesign any time soon, and even if they did they tend to announce things and then launch them years later while overpromising and underdelivering.
Their EV "plans" is the key word here. None of them can ramp battery and manufacturing quickly enough. They are all talk at this point.
They will absolutely catch up but I've seen a thousand articles about plans but you still can't easily buy EVs without dealer markups and waiting months.
I do really like this design though, love how bold it is.
If you care about range and you think they both look cool, Ioniq 6 can really beat Model 3 on price:
Tesla Model 3 AWD Dual-Motor Long Range: $57,990, 353 mile (568 km) range
Hyundai Ioniq 6 RWD Single-Motor Long Range: $40,000, 340 mile (547 km) range
$/range ratios:
Model 3: $57,990 / 568 km = 102
Ioniq 6: $40,000 / 547 km = 73
I still prefer Tesla's interior design.
And I didn't think Ioniq 5 looked sporty enough.
But Ioniq 6 is definitely not a bad choice.
It's the first EV cheaper than a Tesla I'd consider instead of a Tesla.
Since sometime last year it's been a "get it when it shows up" model. Couldn't order it, but they were making them and you'd just grab one from inventory. That's what I did three months ago.
> Tesla has decided to stop taking new orders for its Model 3 Long Range, one of its most popular models, in the United States and Canada. The automaker has adopted this new business model to avoid creating delivery timelines that are super long for customers.
The waiting time for Model 3 Long Range in August 2022 was 6+ months.
Also, I'd wait to see real range numbers from independent testers before comparing anything. Few people (especially in the US) get anywhere near 350 miles from an LR Model 3. More realistic is maybe 250 on the first leg of a trip and 200 on subsequent legs. Very dependent on your pace.
Model 3 Long Range is AWD not RWD, range is 358 not 353, priced at $47,990 not $57,990. Most US buyers will get $7500 cash back from the Feds, bringing the price to $40,490.
There is no Ioniq 6 available for $40,000. Closest match is the SE RWD Long Range for $46,615 with 361 mile range. Not eligible for $7500 cash back.
Where did you get the idea that the M3 LR is $48k? Not only can you not even order it anymore, but the last price I can find for it is $56k [1]. $48k doesn't even make any sense, since the LR is AWD and the regular range AWD version is $53k.
I like it, especially the droop. Hyundai is making brave design decisions, polarizing or not. But I'm not a big fan of the nose. It feels like they ran out of inspiration.
But overall, great to see credible Tesla alternatives coming to market. And now that Tesla is opening up the supercharger network, I think my Model 3 is likely to be my last Tesla for a while. Love the technical aspects of this car, but I'll be happy to have a more car-like car next time around.
You know what I won't be getting? A new GM that doesn't have CarPlay. WTF. How the heck did they decide that the only thing I want CarPlay for is navigation? Idiots. Hopefully they'll walk back that decision, because otherwise they seem to have some compelling designs coming in the future.
The USB trick isn't electrical, it's just that the shape of USB-A has a nice fit that lets you turn the lock on a key-started Hyundai because it has no immobilizer chip (something other brands have routinely had since the 90s). The push-button cars did not suffer from this vulnerability, and the Ioniq 6 doesn't have a key so it presumably doesn't have that issue either.
I'm not a car person and not super informed about what's going on in the EV world so maybe I'm missing something obvious asking this question but... aren't most of the legacy car companies making EVs very clearly dunking on Tesla? I've been in a few recently including an Ioniq 5, Mercedes EQS, some Lexus EV. They were all really, really nice in different ways. The Mercedes was incredibly quiet (especially compared to friends' Teslas). All had great interiors and were stylish in their own ways (your taste may be different). So what gives with Tesla? Is it the supercharger network? Price?
But if we're being honest, there are other things too. If you want an EV, Tesla is a pretty obvious choice, they sell by far the most. If you care about image, they're also king of that hill (we can argue how aspirational a Model 3 really ought to be, objectively, but the market sees it that way). And if you hate the traditional dealership experience, Tesla will again be appealing.
Tesla giving up the supercharger exclusivity is an interesting choice. I'll be interested to see how that works out for them.
I test drove basically every other EV before getting my Model Y.
They were all a mess in one way or another. Awful software, clunky driving experience, terrible charging experience, etc.
A friend of a friend had their Ioniq 5 die within a month and it took 6 months to get it fixed because they are so low on parts and engineers.
I guess what I'm getting at is that while each of them had some really strong attributes, they all had some deal breaker for me. The Tesla isn't necessarily best at everything, but for the parts that matter to me there was nothing bad.
I think other car makers will be competitive with Tesla in another year or maybe two. But right now the package is refined in Tesla enough.
Tesla generally wins at the combination of Range, Charging, Price, and Availability.
The Model 3 starts in the low $40k range. Some of the luxury options you mention are at much higher price points. The vast majority of Tesla’s sales are vehicles below $60k.
Tesla has its charging network which is consistent and reliable compared to some competing networks. The Kia/Hyundai cars are the only ones that really match or beat Tesla’s charging speeds.
The combination of range, charging speed, and charger availability integrated with a smart onboard navigation system that knows the status of chargers and your estimated consumption (including speed, traffic, elevation, weather, etc.) makes for an experience that makes longer trips “just work” more often than some other vehicles.
Tesla also is on track to ship around 2m cars globally this year. Most of the competition are available in much smaller quantities, longer wait lists, and often have dealer markups due to the supply/demand disparity.
There are definitely other factors that can matter in a car decision.
Like how close the nearest dealer or service center is to you. Or whether you live in the US, where Tesla's Supercharger network dominates, or in Europe where there is much greater coverage and competition among chargers.
Tax credits differ between states and countries as well.
And of course there are lots of reasons to like a car even if it doesn't win on specs. Style, interior features, cabin noise, physical controls versus touch controls, etc. can all matter a lot in a vehicle you are spending $50k on and drive every day.
I own a Model Y so there may be some bias but this is my take.
Tesla hits the sweet spot of price, technology, good design and sales model. Speaking for myself only, I would consider very few other EV manufacturers, Hyundai is definitely peaking interest but I think for me Tesla is still edging ahead.
The dealer experience is miserable. I don't want to haggle on price, I don't want to allow a credit check just to test drive a vehicle, looking at your Genesis. There is something pleasant about going on line and having a set price and ordering.
I truly enjoy Tesla's software and car design. There are constant improvements, sometimes bad changes but overall the experience keeps getting better. Sure its a touch screen, you have to accept having a touch screen to enjoy it but compared to all other manufacturers they have a UI that makes sense for me. To me it feels like most of the decisions are practical, I don't consider my car a luxury car but more a simple EV.
Its not the cheapest EV but its also not the most expensive.
Edit: The other thing I would add is that while there are still holes, their service network beats all others. If you buy this Ioniq 6 you are still having to deal with a service network that barely touches any electric vehicles. Along with that I am sure there are many kinks Hyundai and others are trying to work out. There goal has to been to launch EV vehicles as quickly as possible to catch-up to Tesla.
1. Wipers are using cameras and not working properly. Legacy automakers have solved this 20 years ago.
2. There are bad design decision all around and poor build quality. Examples: door seals are glued on, everyone else uses clips. Poor panel fitment.
3. Tesla makes insane cost cutting decision, removal of USS sensors, to be replaced by INFERIOR tesla vision.
4. Tesla locks you in. Dealers are independent, there is an upside to this. The dealer works for you, not for manufacturer. Tesla service center has an incentive of trying to cut cost.
5. No 3rd party parts.
6. No proper blind-spot sensors.
7. The door handles are worse than regular door handles.
8. Noise inside cabin is high, very poorly insulated.
9. The suspension in a 2022 Y I drove was BRUTAL, like a modified race car brutal. It is also a common complaint.
10. Lack of cross traffic alert and 360 camera.
11. Tow hitch requires a software unlock....like wtf.
12. FSD is a $15k scam that should not be allowed on public streets.
When a dealer performs warranty work they are charging the manufacturer. Performing the job is in their interest as that generates income for them.
Tesla service center performing warranty work is nothing but an expense for Tesla. The tesla service center not doing the work is better for the center.
100%, tons of kinks but at least for me it was still the best EV on the market for what I wanted. If I did not need the range/size I think I would have gone with a newer model Leaf.
From a business standpoint, Tesla sells an order of magnitude more EVs than the closest competitor and makes a ton of profit on each one, whereas most other automakers sell their EVs at a loss.
If you happen to be an engineer or just love tech, I highly recommend watching some EV teardowns (and cost analysis) on the MunroLive youtube channel. The differences are more than skin deep, and give a better picture of how Tesla manages to build so many vehicles at such high margins.
I think Tesla not having dealerships is a pretty big advantage. But agreed their cars are no longer very special, although they have gotten cheaper and are eligible for the tax credits where some others aren't.
The thing they're all missing is volume. I bought my Tesla in December, because my old car was dying and I was ready to get an EV. I drove an hour and a half away to test drive a Bolt, a VW dealership near me had a 2021 id.4 to test drive, and that was all I could find (other than the Tesla, which was a snap to test drive both a 3 and a Y). I had wanted an Ioniq 5 but all the dealerships around me were marking them up at least $5k over MSRP, and I couldn't find one to test drive.
I think the competitors are getting pretty good, but Tesla still sells an order of magnitude more than them in the US, and so it will be a couple years of ramping before they're really "dunking" on Tesla. At least, around here in the midwest where I live. You can probably comparison shop a lot more easily in SF or something.
And those stupid flush door handles. Why? I hear horror stories of people getting frozen out of their cars. Who was asking for these that they're on every car now?
"It does have Apple CarPlay, but the connection is wired"
My only real complaint about my 2022 Kia Niro EV is that getting my iPhone to connect to the car can be incredibly flaky. Having a wired connection ought to greatly increase the reliability of connecting, and that's a win in my book.
I'd really like MPGe ratings in reviews. Telling me the range and mileage has this info somewhat, but having the actual efficiency rating on display would be so much more interesting, would make such a key figure-of-merit visible to consumers.
361mi / 77.4kWh * 33.4g/kWh comes to 156mpge, which is significantly above Tesla's highest efficiency 132mpge Model 3 RWD. 53kWh and 240mi lower spec came out similar.
Last, 1.9kW 120V AC on board isn't bad. Do wish the review had mentioned that explicitly instead of making me dig as this is another figure-of-merit for these vehicles, and a pretty easy one to tackle & improve to be honest.
1. The amount of energy in a gallon of fuel is not constant. Where I live you can buy E85 (24kWh/gal) E15 (31kWh) E10 (32kWh) E0 (34kWh) biodiesel (37kWh) or petroleum diesel (38kWh). These numbers shift a few percent depending on temperature, altitude blend, brand, and season (summer vs winter blend)
2. The fraction is upside down! This is no big deal if you can flip it in your head to get fuel consumption, but many people cannot do this. The difference in fuel consumption between 13mpg and 15mpg is twice as large as the difference between 40mpg and 50mpg. It's just not intuitive.
#1 doesn't wash with me at all. You've picked a variety of niche non-gasoline fuels to compare again, but that's far from the point. The point is we generally have a very strongly calibrated sense of what the MPG of a car has, and this number is for gasoline, not gasoline + X nor gasoline + Y, nor diesel, nor lng, nor jet fuel. These are different. What people actually know to compare their vehicles against is gasoline, and that's what we use. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_gallon_equivalent
With systems like diesel, it's also very apparent at the pump that the fuel costs a lot more. That diesel has 15% more energy-density is more than made up for in terms of price at the pump. And it's also a bit obvious based on the just-higher mpg that diesel vehicles have.
You're not wrong about #2, but I'm only going to give you the point if you can convince the EPA & every car manufacturer on the planet to also flip the fraction for gas vehicles too. Otherwise the advantage of speaking the common language makes it clear, and the advantage of dumbing-it-down-for-folk doesn't have enough benefit.
There's also a ton of similar problems, but we don't rewrite all our nomenclature to accomodate stupid: we let people live with the basic facts and figure it out. The difference between going 25mph and 35mph versus between 55 mph and 65 mph is far more pronounced in terms of time saved, but we still use mph or kph and haven't flipped that. Trying to attack this problem in only electric car space, only for range, while leaving everything else (like velocity) flipped: it hides & conceals to more detriment than whatever gains we make by trying to flip the fraction.
Also I think the standard kWh/100km unit is just bizarre & cruel use of metric. Way to take a sensible straightforward metric system & contort bizarrely to make even numbers. Screw this. 180kWh/1MM would be fine. Or .18kWh/km. Or 180Wh/km. But 18kWh/100km? Its such a weird contortion, mal-adjusting standard prefixes to get a useful number; it's just so ugly to me. I acknowledge that it has practical value, but it feels like such a betrayal of metric to pick "100 kWh" as your unit value.
With you on #2, there's no easy solution. Love to read a comment that disagrees like this.
Re: #1, I have to defend half of those blends as normal. E10 is the standard in US, and E15 was given the green light around the time oil prices got high a year or two ago. Full petroleum or B10 biodiesel blend is also, I think, the normal pump fuel but I've never owned a diesel so I can't say for sure.
The last gas car I owned, I'd fuel with E0 at the beginning of a road trip and get 650+ miles on a tank. Hybrid Toyota, I still miss that car. Driving electric I'm looking at half that range in a model S Plaid, unless I'm in a high elevation state where wind resistance is lower. 500+ mile range would be a major selling point for any EV. I guess Lucid makes one but there are no chargers in rural areas (yet) so it's a moot point.
Hell, if chargers were as common as gas stations 300 miles would be enough.
Worth noting that The Drive frequently and exclusively covers Elon and his companies in a negative light, and includes really lame misleading/dishonest hit pieces about him with clickbait titles. Not exactly surprising they'd have a strong bias and hyperbole in the title here.
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(It's possibly not the worst idea; electric cars tend to look a _bit_ weird anyway due to the lack of a proper front grille, so maybe going deliberately extremely weird is as good a way as any to handle it...)
(I think the Aptera takes the idea that an EV can be something much different to a much higher level than Hyundai does and I like what Aptera has come up with - probably will be the most efficient vehicle in production if it makes it into production)
1. https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone
The 'legacy' manufacturers are killing it with their EV plans lately so I'd be pretty bearish for Tesla if I had skin in the game. I don't expect them to have a new model or redesign any time soon, and even if they did they tend to announce things and then launch them years later while overpromising and underdelivering.
They will absolutely catch up but I've seen a thousand articles about plans but you still can't easily buy EVs without dealer markups and waiting months.
I do really like this design though, love how bold it is.
If you care about range and you think they both look cool, Ioniq 6 can really beat Model 3 on price:
$/range ratios: I still prefer Tesla's interior design.And I didn't think Ioniq 5 looked sporty enough.
But Ioniq 6 is definitely not a bad choice.
It's the first EV cheaper than a Tesla I'd consider instead of a Tesla.
https://electrek.co/2022/08/12/tesla-stops-model-3-long-rang...
> Tesla has decided to stop taking new orders for its Model 3 Long Range, one of its most popular models, in the United States and Canada. The automaker has adopted this new business model to avoid creating delivery timelines that are super long for customers.
The waiting time for Model 3 Long Range in August 2022 was 6+ months.
Nitpick. Dual motor is AWD, not RWD.
Also, I'd wait to see real range numbers from independent testers before comparing anything. Few people (especially in the US) get anywhere near 350 miles from an LR Model 3. More realistic is maybe 250 on the first leg of a trip and 200 on subsequent legs. Very dependent on your pace.
Model 3 Long Range is AWD not RWD, range is 358 not 353, priced at $47,990 not $57,990. Most US buyers will get $7500 cash back from the Feds, bringing the price to $40,490.
There is no Ioniq 6 available for $40,000. Closest match is the SE RWD Long Range for $46,615 with 361 mile range. Not eligible for $7500 cash back.
I'm just using data found in random articles online, surely imprecise.
1. https://electrek.co/2023/03/09/2023-tesla-prices-how-much-do...
But overall, great to see credible Tesla alternatives coming to market. And now that Tesla is opening up the supercharger network, I think my Model 3 is likely to be my last Tesla for a while. Love the technical aspects of this car, but I'll be happy to have a more car-like car next time around.
You know what I won't be getting? A new GM that doesn't have CarPlay. WTF. How the heck did they decide that the only thing I want CarPlay for is navigation? Idiots. Hopefully they'll walk back that decision, because otherwise they seem to have some compelling designs coming in the future.
Wouldn't count on it, considering GM just announced Google will be designing their infotainment systems.
That is one important aspect, too.
But if we're being honest, there are other things too. If you want an EV, Tesla is a pretty obvious choice, they sell by far the most. If you care about image, they're also king of that hill (we can argue how aspirational a Model 3 really ought to be, objectively, but the market sees it that way). And if you hate the traditional dealership experience, Tesla will again be appealing.
Tesla giving up the supercharger exclusivity is an interesting choice. I'll be interested to see how that works out for them.
It's called competition. Tesla needs to get used to it.
They were all a mess in one way or another. Awful software, clunky driving experience, terrible charging experience, etc.
A friend of a friend had their Ioniq 5 die within a month and it took 6 months to get it fixed because they are so low on parts and engineers.
I guess what I'm getting at is that while each of them had some really strong attributes, they all had some deal breaker for me. The Tesla isn't necessarily best at everything, but for the parts that matter to me there was nothing bad.
I think other car makers will be competitive with Tesla in another year or maybe two. But right now the package is refined in Tesla enough.
Seems par for the course to be honest. Both people I know who got rear ended in their Teslas had to wait 5+ months for repairs
The Model 3 starts in the low $40k range. Some of the luxury options you mention are at much higher price points. The vast majority of Tesla’s sales are vehicles below $60k.
Tesla has its charging network which is consistent and reliable compared to some competing networks. The Kia/Hyundai cars are the only ones that really match or beat Tesla’s charging speeds.
The combination of range, charging speed, and charger availability integrated with a smart onboard navigation system that knows the status of chargers and your estimated consumption (including speed, traffic, elevation, weather, etc.) makes for an experience that makes longer trips “just work” more often than some other vehicles.
Tesla also is on track to ship around 2m cars globally this year. Most of the competition are available in much smaller quantities, longer wait lists, and often have dealer markups due to the supply/demand disparity.
Like how close the nearest dealer or service center is to you. Or whether you live in the US, where Tesla's Supercharger network dominates, or in Europe where there is much greater coverage and competition among chargers.
Tax credits differ between states and countries as well.
And of course there are lots of reasons to like a car even if it doesn't win on specs. Style, interior features, cabin noise, physical controls versus touch controls, etc. can all matter a lot in a vehicle you are spending $50k on and drive every day.
Tesla hits the sweet spot of price, technology, good design and sales model. Speaking for myself only, I would consider very few other EV manufacturers, Hyundai is definitely peaking interest but I think for me Tesla is still edging ahead.
The dealer experience is miserable. I don't want to haggle on price, I don't want to allow a credit check just to test drive a vehicle, looking at your Genesis. There is something pleasant about going on line and having a set price and ordering.
I truly enjoy Tesla's software and car design. There are constant improvements, sometimes bad changes but overall the experience keeps getting better. Sure its a touch screen, you have to accept having a touch screen to enjoy it but compared to all other manufacturers they have a UI that makes sense for me. To me it feels like most of the decisions are practical, I don't consider my car a luxury car but more a simple EV.
Its not the cheapest EV but its also not the most expensive.
Edit: The other thing I would add is that while there are still holes, their service network beats all others. If you buy this Ioniq 6 you are still having to deal with a service network that barely touches any electric vehicles. Along with that I am sure there are many kinks Hyundai and others are trying to work out. There goal has to been to launch EV vehicles as quickly as possible to catch-up to Tesla.
Tesla has so many kinks.....
1. Wipers are using cameras and not working properly. Legacy automakers have solved this 20 years ago.
2. There are bad design decision all around and poor build quality. Examples: door seals are glued on, everyone else uses clips. Poor panel fitment.
3. Tesla makes insane cost cutting decision, removal of USS sensors, to be replaced by INFERIOR tesla vision.
4. Tesla locks you in. Dealers are independent, there is an upside to this. The dealer works for you, not for manufacturer. Tesla service center has an incentive of trying to cut cost.
5. No 3rd party parts.
6. No proper blind-spot sensors.
7. The door handles are worse than regular door handles.
8. Noise inside cabin is high, very poorly insulated.
9. The suspension in a 2022 Y I drove was BRUTAL, like a modified race car brutal. It is also a common complaint.
10. Lack of cross traffic alert and 360 camera.
11. Tow hitch requires a software unlock....like wtf.
12. FSD is a $15k scam that should not be allowed on public streets.
How is this so? The dealer works for the dealership and the same incentives to gouge you apply.
Tesla service center performing warranty work is nothing but an expense for Tesla. The tesla service center not doing the work is better for the center.
If you happen to be an engineer or just love tech, I highly recommend watching some EV teardowns (and cost analysis) on the MunroLive youtube channel. The differences are more than skin deep, and give a better picture of how Tesla manages to build so many vehicles at such high margins.
I think the competitors are getting pretty good, but Tesla still sells an order of magnitude more than them in the US, and so it will be a couple years of ramping before they're really "dunking" on Tesla. At least, around here in the midwest where I live. You can probably comparison shop a lot more easily in SF or something.
My only real complaint about my 2022 Kia Niro EV is that getting my iPhone to connect to the car can be incredibly flaky. Having a wired connection ought to greatly increase the reliability of connecting, and that's a win in my book.
361mi / 77.4kWh * 33.4g/kWh comes to 156mpge, which is significantly above Tesla's highest efficiency 132mpge Model 3 RWD. 53kWh and 240mi lower spec came out similar.
Last, 1.9kW 120V AC on board isn't bad. Do wish the review had mentioned that explicitly instead of making me dig as this is another figure-of-merit for these vehicles, and a pretty easy one to tackle & improve to be honest.
Most reviews tend to use miles / kWh.
I do really like that MPGe makes it incredibly easy to compare across gas/electric/hybrid; itvs an already known figure people already understand.
1. The amount of energy in a gallon of fuel is not constant. Where I live you can buy E85 (24kWh/gal) E15 (31kWh) E10 (32kWh) E0 (34kWh) biodiesel (37kWh) or petroleum diesel (38kWh). These numbers shift a few percent depending on temperature, altitude blend, brand, and season (summer vs winter blend)
2. The fraction is upside down! This is no big deal if you can flip it in your head to get fuel consumption, but many people cannot do this. The difference in fuel consumption between 13mpg and 15mpg is twice as large as the difference between 40mpg and 50mpg. It's just not intuitive.
With systems like diesel, it's also very apparent at the pump that the fuel costs a lot more. That diesel has 15% more energy-density is more than made up for in terms of price at the pump. And it's also a bit obvious based on the just-higher mpg that diesel vehicles have.
You're not wrong about #2, but I'm only going to give you the point if you can convince the EPA & every car manufacturer on the planet to also flip the fraction for gas vehicles too. Otherwise the advantage of speaking the common language makes it clear, and the advantage of dumbing-it-down-for-folk doesn't have enough benefit.
There's also a ton of similar problems, but we don't rewrite all our nomenclature to accomodate stupid: we let people live with the basic facts and figure it out. The difference between going 25mph and 35mph versus between 55 mph and 65 mph is far more pronounced in terms of time saved, but we still use mph or kph and haven't flipped that. Trying to attack this problem in only electric car space, only for range, while leaving everything else (like velocity) flipped: it hides & conceals to more detriment than whatever gains we make by trying to flip the fraction.
Also I think the standard kWh/100km unit is just bizarre & cruel use of metric. Way to take a sensible straightforward metric system & contort bizarrely to make even numbers. Screw this. 180kWh/1MM would be fine. Or .18kWh/km. Or 180Wh/km. But 18kWh/100km? Its such a weird contortion, mal-adjusting standard prefixes to get a useful number; it's just so ugly to me. I acknowledge that it has practical value, but it feels like such a betrayal of metric to pick "100 kWh" as your unit value.
Re: #1, I have to defend half of those blends as normal. E10 is the standard in US, and E15 was given the green light around the time oil prices got high a year or two ago. Full petroleum or B10 biodiesel blend is also, I think, the normal pump fuel but I've never owned a diesel so I can't say for sure.
The last gas car I owned, I'd fuel with E0 at the beginning of a road trip and get 650+ miles on a tank. Hybrid Toyota, I still miss that car. Driving electric I'm looking at half that range in a model S Plaid, unless I'm in a high elevation state where wind resistance is lower. 500+ mile range would be a major selling point for any EV. I guess Lucid makes one but there are no chargers in rural areas (yet) so it's a moot point.
Hell, if chargers were as common as gas stations 300 miles would be enough.