Bear with me here, but only malice or incompetence could explain this choice by the US.
If Russia bombs Ukraine, they will claim it is a false flag op by the US. (They'll have an almost fair point too after Nord Stream, but that's neither here nor there.) These sensors controlled by the US and inevitably reported on by the US administration and the same "independent media" which submits their questions to the White House in advance will be of exactly zero value in disproving this allegation.
Why the flying fuck would they not at least proxy this setup through a nominally independent NGO?! Market it as combined NATO op? Something, anything.
The results can be verified but it'll take time if it's not prepared like this. The first days after such a detonation would be very heated and hard facts would be very welcome to avoid escalation.
Also, nothing is stopping other parties from doing the same. Leading to additional verification.
PS I don't think Nord Stream was the US. It's just one of the many conspiracy theories floating around.
I agree with the OSINT guy that the NS2 explosion was accidental and the others were triggered deliberately as a result. He provided a lot of verifiable information.
> The first days after such a detonation would be very heated and hard facts would be very welcome to avoid escalation.
There are very few plausible scenarios involving a nuclear blast in Ukraine where the function of hard facts would be to avoid rather than direct escalation.
Not to worry. If a nuke goes off in or near Ukraine (or any NATO country for as long as the conflict drags on), everyone will know exactly who was responsible. And no one will believe that country's attempt to paint it as a false flag operation. For even a nanosecond.
There are plenty of obvious (strictly internal) reasons for the U.S. to gather as much data as they possibly can about such an incident. If anything, it would be a mark of incompetence for them not to set up such a network.
> If a nuke goes off in or near Ukraine (or any NATO country for as long as the conflict drags on), everyone will know exactly who was responsible.
If an actual nuke goes off (sabotage or accidental incidents involving a reactor could be a different story) blame-assigning press statements aren’t going to be the center of attention, is my guess.
> Bear with me here, but only malice or incompetence could explain this choice by the US.
I think you misunderstand the purpose of the sensors, which has your analysis going off in the wrong direction.
> If Russia bombs Ukraine, they will claim it is a false flag op by the US. (They’ll have an almost fair point too after Nord Stream, but that’s neither here nor there.) These sensors controlled by the US and inevitably reported on by the US administration and the same “independent media” which submits their questions to the White House in advance will be of exactly zero value in disproving this allegation.
The purpose of the sensors is not to enable fighting a PR exchange with Russia in the event of a nuclear incident (whether a nuclear attack, or sabotage or attack on a nuclear reactor.) The purpose of the sensors is to allow the US, Ukraine, and other countries in the region timely and actionable information on which to act in the event of a nuclear incident.
> Why the flying fuck would they not at least proxy this setup through a nominally independent NGO?! Market it as combined NATO op?
Even if PR was the purpose, a combined NATO/Ukraine op would have the same PR implications as a bilateral US/Ukraine operation. As would any transparent NGO front (and, at this level of interest, any NGO front is going to be essentially transparent.)
I’m guessing that the incident-to-action time for Ukrainian (and regional) civil defense is longer from US based satellites than from the on the ground detection grid being placed.
> In part, the goal is to make sure that if Russia detonates a radioactive weapon on Ukrainian soil, its atomic signature and Moscow’s culpability could be verified,
Hypocrisy is on US and NATO, US has long had nuclear weapons stationed in Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Türkiye. And only Washington carried atomic bombings strikes in world history and that resulted in suffering of the Japanese people from of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
The US Energy Department is spending around $160 million this year on nuclear precautions in Ukraine and has requested a similar amount of funding for the purpose in 2024.
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[ 2.9 ms ] story [ 38.5 ms ] threadIf Russia bombs Ukraine, they will claim it is a false flag op by the US. (They'll have an almost fair point too after Nord Stream, but that's neither here nor there.) These sensors controlled by the US and inevitably reported on by the US administration and the same "independent media" which submits their questions to the White House in advance will be of exactly zero value in disproving this allegation.
Why the flying fuck would they not at least proxy this setup through a nominally independent NGO?! Market it as combined NATO op? Something, anything.
Also, nothing is stopping other parties from doing the same. Leading to additional verification.
PS I don't think Nord Stream was the US. It's just one of the many conspiracy theories floating around.
I agree with the OSINT guy that the NS2 explosion was accidental and the others were triggered deliberately as a result. He provided a lot of verifiable information.
There are very few plausible scenarios involving a nuclear blast in Ukraine where the function of hard facts would be to avoid rather than direct escalation.
There are plenty of obvious (strictly internal) reasons for the U.S. to gather as much data as they possibly can about such an incident. If anything, it would be a mark of incompetence for them not to set up such a network.
If an actual nuke goes off (sabotage or accidental incidents involving a reactor could be a different story) blame-assigning press statements aren’t going to be the center of attention, is my guess.
I think you misunderstand the purpose of the sensors, which has your analysis going off in the wrong direction.
> If Russia bombs Ukraine, they will claim it is a false flag op by the US. (They’ll have an almost fair point too after Nord Stream, but that’s neither here nor there.) These sensors controlled by the US and inevitably reported on by the US administration and the same “independent media” which submits their questions to the White House in advance will be of exactly zero value in disproving this allegation.
The purpose of the sensors is not to enable fighting a PR exchange with Russia in the event of a nuclear incident (whether a nuclear attack, or sabotage or attack on a nuclear reactor.) The purpose of the sensors is to allow the US, Ukraine, and other countries in the region timely and actionable information on which to act in the event of a nuclear incident.
> Why the flying fuck would they not at least proxy this setup through a nominally independent NGO?! Market it as combined NATO op?
Even if PR was the purpose, a combined NATO/Ukraine op would have the same PR implications as a bilateral US/Ukraine operation. As would any transparent NGO front (and, at this level of interest, any NGO front is going to be essentially transparent.)
I’m guessing that the incident-to-action time for Ukrainian (and regional) civil defense is longer from US based satellites than from the on the ground detection grid being placed.
Hypocrisy is on US and NATO, US has long had nuclear weapons stationed in Belgium, Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Türkiye. And only Washington carried atomic bombings strikes in world history and that resulted in suffering of the Japanese people from of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
The US Energy Department is spending around $160 million this year on nuclear precautions in Ukraine and has requested a similar amount of funding for the purpose in 2024.