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hulitu
> vehicle theft due to TikTok

Huh ? Now TikTok is to blame for vehicle theft ? What's next ? Blame TikTok for global warming ?

lockhouse
Well we blame guns when someone uses them for murder and let criminals out without bail to repeat offend over and over again, so why not blame TikTok instead of the people that are committing grand theft auto.

Personal accountability for your actions has long been out of style.

Grazester
TikTok only publicized the fact that these cars lacked immobilizers(required on all car in many countries for some time now)
graymatters
Of course! The amount of energy wasted by viewers of TikTok is causing global warming. Comparable to cows shitting.
mkmk
Why are they particularly liable here, compared to any other car manufacturer that makes stealable cars?
pcurve
Because of lack of electronic immobilizer in many cars made through 2021 that made it easier to steal compared to cars from other makes.
sparky_z
But, is there some legal requirement or regulation they were failing to meet? Or did they falsely advertise their cars as having immobilizers when they actually didn't? I'm struggling to understand where their legal liability for the thefts is coming from.
pcurve
They didn't break any law. They failed to practice common sense.

"In the 2015 model year, immobilizers were standard on 96% of other manufacturers' models, the institute said. But they were standard on only 26% of Hyundai and Kia models."

That's a serious lapse in judgement. Theft rate Hyundai and Kia w/o the device was 80-90% higher than the rest. They would've known that, yet they failed to act.

paxswill
Because their cars lacked an immobilizer, which most other manufacturers have included as standard for a long time (and Kia and Hyundai only stopped using them recently). Some countries require them in new cars as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immobiliser and linked from there https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kia_Challenge

rasz
Would I get sued if I made cars without cupholders and tiktok started trending "lets accelerate and brake with a cup of hot coffee in our lap" challenge? After all "cupholders are standard for a long time".
colejohnson66
That’s entirely the user’s fault if that happens. Immobilizers are about preventing theft that the user can’t control.
rasz
Was user forced to buy car without immobilizer?
creatornator
A user might not know to look for that sort of thing. That's why we rely on regulators, safety standards, etc.

I didn't even know what "immobilizer" meant in this context before hearing about the issue with Kia and Hyundai a while ago.