It would be such vengeful bliss if Apollo were to help start an alternative to Reddit by changing over to another service/creative another service.
Yes I know, the back end is difficult, but Apollo currently has a huge reach and moral advantage it feels too good an opportunity to squander.
Not zero, his current userbase would probably be amenable, but you're correct in that's a very small proportion of Reddit's total users.
I don't see federated alternatives taking off after Mastodon/Twitter. Most people I followed on Twitter didn't move to Mastodon, they simply stopped posting anywhere.
My feeling is these platforms will slowly die, but that'll take a very long time to come to fruition, same as digg and myspace.
So much of Reddit's reach is grasping at crap though, the idea that to compete with Reddit you need hundreds of millions of active users out of the gate isn't useful either.
A "Reddit" with hundreds of thousands of active users, perhaps growing to an HN size community over years, is far more appealing to me at least than a giant that comes out of the gate baying for VC money and blood.
True, but if it was jump starting a service with 100 people, I’m sure Apollo would be huge in comparison. I get the idea.
But also I think people would want something like Lemmy or another federated service, which don’t really fit into Apollo that well. (Instances, federated login, etc) so I don’t really think it would’ve been feasible anyway.
I don’t know about minuscule. But when Apollo got screwed over by Reddit I dropped Reddit in an instant and haven’t looked back. It wasn’t that hard tbh. If Apollo linked up to another backend I’d be up for giving it a try.
Not at all. Reddit has burned up all of its good will and users are actively looking for an alternative (which seems to be Lemmy at this point).
Apollo wouldn't even have to get all of its users over, even 10% would be a great start for organic growth.
Even more: It would catapult Apollo into an actual controlling role regarding its market share on the new platform.
Definitely seems a lot better than giving up. Reddit has confirmed its plans to die multiple times, so there's not much of a point still hoping for a change.
i get a “sour grapes” feeling from this too. funnily enough, when i started reading this i thought to myself, “i bet there is going to be some kind of self-promotion or link to give donations,” and sure enough, there were both those things at the end.
to your second point, reddit tolerates these kind of rants/events because drama creates traffic, and, amusingly, people are giving that post awards.. which is money straight into reddit’s pocket.
You somehow missed the many instances of claims by Huffman contradicted by evidence given in the article?
Huffman:
> [Developers] are mad because they used to get something for free, and now it’s going to be not free.
Article:
> I expressed this willingness to pay many times throughout phone calls and emails, for instance here's one on literally the very first phone call:
>> "I'm honestly looking forward to the pricing and the stuff you're rolling out provided it's enough to keep me with a job. You guys seem nothing but reasonable, so I'm looking to finding out more."
Huffman:
> Reddit is Fun, he never wanted to talk to us
Article:
> The Reddit is Fun developer shared emails with The Verge showing how he outlined many suggestions to Reddit, none of which were listened to
Huffman:
> Apollo threatened us, said they’ll “make it easy” if Reddit gave them $10 million. This guy behind the scenes is coercing us. He's threatening us.
Article:
> I recorded the phone call and can show this to be false, to the extent that Reddit even apologized four times for misinterpreting it:
>> Reddit [during the same call] : "That's a complete misinterpretation on my end. I apologize. I apologize immediately."
AFAICS this is exactly what "debunking" looks like.
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[ 2.7 ms ] story [ 43.4 ms ] threadPlus their popularity is intrinsically tied to Reddit as a whole. They will have zero ability to peal users away.
I don't see federated alternatives taking off after Mastodon/Twitter. Most people I followed on Twitter didn't move to Mastodon, they simply stopped posting anywhere.
My feeling is these platforms will slowly die, but that'll take a very long time to come to fruition, same as digg and myspace.
A "Reddit" with hundreds of thousands of active users, perhaps growing to an HN size community over years, is far more appealing to me at least than a giant that comes out of the gate baying for VC money and blood.
But also I think people would want something like Lemmy or another federated service, which don’t really fit into Apollo that well. (Instances, federated login, etc) so I don’t really think it would’ve been feasible anyway.
Apollo wouldn't even have to get all of its users over, even 10% would be a great start for organic growth.
Even more: It would catapult Apollo into an actual controlling role regarding its market share on the new platform.
Definitely seems a lot better than giving up. Reddit has confirmed its plans to die multiple times, so there's not much of a point still hoping for a change.
to your second point, reddit tolerates these kind of rants/events because drama creates traffic, and, amusingly, people are giving that post awards.. which is money straight into reddit’s pocket.
A drama created by Reddit's leadership and made worse by their lies (something dumb to do when recordings or emails can be made public).
You somehow missed the many instances of claims by Huffman contradicted by evidence given in the article?
Huffman:
> [Developers] are mad because they used to get something for free, and now it’s going to be not free.
Article:
> I expressed this willingness to pay many times throughout phone calls and emails, for instance here's one on literally the very first phone call:
>> "I'm honestly looking forward to the pricing and the stuff you're rolling out provided it's enough to keep me with a job. You guys seem nothing but reasonable, so I'm looking to finding out more."
Huffman:
> Reddit is Fun, he never wanted to talk to us
Article:
> The Reddit is Fun developer shared emails with The Verge showing how he outlined many suggestions to Reddit, none of which were listened to
Huffman:
> Apollo threatened us, said they’ll “make it easy” if Reddit gave them $10 million. This guy behind the scenes is coercing us. He's threatening us.
Article:
> I recorded the phone call and can show this to be false, to the extent that Reddit even apologized four times for misinterpreting it:
>> Reddit [during the same call] : "That's a complete misinterpretation on my end. I apologize. I apologize immediately."
AFAICS this is exactly what "debunking" looks like.
He backtracked when asked about it, but to me there is no other way to parse his comments and not have the meaning be a threat.
Which comment is this?