It doesn't have the 37signals hype machine behind it. For example Ryan Dahl hasn't appeared on any magizine (that I am aware of).
(note: "hype machine" is either a compliment or an insult based on your point of view, however they were very successful marketing Ruby on Rails and themselves. Regardless of my view point, I have to respect that.)
> or remove "on" from the first and the search volume increases by 30%
A more thorough analysis would also require factoring in "node.js", "node", "nodejs", versus "ror", "rails", etc, all with the right intent and right context. That's really tough.
> couldn't this be less trollish?
This isn't scientific, but it's a milestone nonetheless - aren't all milestones arbitrary?
I'm confused, you say that it would be difficult to accurately picture search traffic, then you say that this is a clear milestone.
Also, I'm sure that the grandparent comment poster is relaxed, it's rather condescending and irrelevant to tell him otherwise. EDIT: parent comment was edited after I posted this.
I am not sure whether this is a good thing for node.js or not. Because I only search google if I encounter an error or something that documentation is not clear on. The search ratio for Rails is quite understandable because of its user base, more users, more installations, more problems - especially regarding gem version clashes. But this early search spike in node.js does not compel me to it, at all. I thought "hmm, people experience problems a lot with it I guess".
As a JavaScript user, when I have a problem to solve, I make a search with "JavaScript" in the query. This contributes to the popularity of the word. It could be the same for Node.js or ROR. @chewbranca: the word "rails" has a more generic meaning than Ruby on rails and may be included in many more queries.
This graph is biased by the fact that you're searching 3 words versus one. I personally qualify searches with "rails" throughout the day, but hardly ever actually search "ruby on rails". I imagine most other rails devs do as well, so this graph is missing a substantial amount of rails traffic.
Agreed. But to be fair one would have to do the same for Node: add "node" and "nodejs". It'd be tough though, since like "rails" there are multiple contexts the words can be used. This is just one milestone; not meant as an exact comparison.
This graph is completely useless. It is looking at relative Google search query volume.
Of course Node.js search queries are rising. There is a lot of noise being made about the platform, the platform is relatively recent, and people are curious about it.
Of course Ruby on Rails search queries are falling. It has been out for a while, and people have become familiar with it at this point.
In other words, they don't need to google for Ruby on Rails when they can just go to one of the sites that they have bookmarked.
This is not a milestone by any stretch of the imagination.
I don't know, but I'd be interested in conducting an experiment. Everyone on HN google "string split". My first and second results are for C#, which I program in my day job. JavaScript, which I also use, is 5th. However, Java is #3, and I don't use that at all.
I'm just wondering if it's possible to search for programming tips without even specifying your language any more, because Google knows us so well.
Totally not true.
Look at the scale. ROR is on scale of 1 and Node.js scale is 0.08.
Node.js is searched 0.08 times ROR indicating ROR is 12 times more popular still.
No, the 1.0 vs. .08 is for the entire eight year period depicted, during most of which Node.js didn't even exist. What's relevant is the trend and how they compare right now -- RoR is going down, Node is going up, and Node is right now nearly as high as RoR. If you change it to show only the last 30 days, RoR is 1.0 and Node is .87 (i.e., RoR is getting only 15% more searches, not 12 times the searches).
Does anybody other that clueless managers actually make tech decisions based on search popularity? I can see some limited value in choosing one project over another because of popularity in general, but as long as there are more than 10 projects using it, popularity is irrelevant compared to other criteria, like the actual quality of a tool.
Seriously, this popularity contest between node and rails is getting annoying, open source is not high-school, quit obsessing over useless numbers and write awesome code.
It's 2012, you can get away with using whatever you like, even Haskell or Lisp, choose whatever works best for you. On the internet nobody(relevant) cares if you're a dog(to paraphrase the popular quote).
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http://www.google.com/trends/?q=ruby+on+rails,+node.js&c...
(or remove "on" from the first and the search volume increases by 30%)
Really, couldn't this be less trollish?
A more thorough analysis would also require factoring in "node.js", "node", "nodejs", versus "ror", "rails", etc, all with the right intent and right context. That's really tough.
> couldn't this be less trollish?
This isn't scientific, but it's a milestone nonetheless - aren't all milestones arbitrary?
Also, I'm sure that the grandparent comment poster is relaxed, it's rather condescending and irrelevant to tell him otherwise. EDIT: parent comment was edited after I posted this.
I don't see the point you're trying to make.
That's my grain of salt anyway...
Of course Node.js search queries are rising. There is a lot of noise being made about the platform, the platform is relatively recent, and people are curious about it.
Of course Ruby on Rails search queries are falling. It has been out for a while, and people have become familiar with it at this point.
In other words, they don't need to google for Ruby on Rails when they can just go to one of the sites that they have bookmarked.
This is not a milestone by any stretch of the imagination.
Take a look at this comparison for the terms "ruby", "python", and "javascript": http://www.google.com/trends/?q=python,+ruby,+javascript
From the graph, it appears that JavaScript's popularity is fading; I'd say that it has never been higher than in these recent years.
I'm just wondering if it's possible to search for programming tips without even specifying your language any more, because Google knows us so well.
When I search for "string split" while I'm logged in my Google Account, the first SERP returns these results:
When I'm logged out, I get the same exact results.turnip 1.00, node.js 0.18
Not only is Node less popular than Rails, it's not even as popular as turnips.
Compare 'rails' with 'node.js' and you see a different picture: http://www.google.com/trends/?q=rails,+node.js&ctab=0...
'node.js' has less than 15% the search volume of 'rails'.
You got more accurate data.
Seriously, this popularity contest between node and rails is getting annoying, open source is not high-school, quit obsessing over useless numbers and write awesome code.
It's 2012, you can get away with using whatever you like, even Haskell or Lisp, choose whatever works best for you. On the internet nobody(relevant) cares if you're a dog(to paraphrase the popular quote).