Tell HN: 1Password 8.10.8 update corrupted data
Saw there was an update for 1Password on Mac, and accepted the update. After it restarted, and I logged in, a banner said:
"Some changes could not be synced with your other devices. View Offline Items"
Clicking on View Offline Items crashed the app a few times, but eventually after some tries now shows Offline Items.
I have no other devices and there are now a number of (old) items in the Offline Items section. That section did not exist (for me) before.
These are logins created months ago, so I wonder if they were never synced, or what is broken now. In any case, it seems its gotten itself into a bad state and cannot sync properly any more.
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[ 3.1 ms ] story [ 86.4 ms ] threadThe reason you didn't see the offline items section before today, is because this was just added in latest version of 1Password for Mac (8.10.8) that coincidentally also released today: https://releases.1password.com/mac/8.10/#1password-for-mac-8...
It's common to see items temporarily go into that offline items list (sometimes only for a second) prior to it being synced to your 1Password Account, but as soon as that sync is complete, it should disappear from that list.
Are you only noticing older items in that offline items list, or are newly created items also showing up there? Likewise, if you search for the items you're seeing in that offline list in your 1Password Account, do you happen to see an entry that matches and contains the same information?
Thanks. The items that appeared here were created in 2022 (when I set up these work accounts in my "Work" vault).
When I have 'Offline Items' selected, pressing the Cloud button with slash results in brief animation, like its syncing, and then the original error shows. The items stay as-is, there is no change.
Good news is, I have gone through them manually and don't think I have lost any data (they seem identical, but duplicated, in the Work vault).
See what’s there first. Might assuage your fears.
You’ll need your ‘Secret Key’ which you can find in the account settings in the app. The menu item is something like ‘set up another device’, I’m not on my Mac just now.
Good luck. Scary. I backed our vaults up a while ago and put them on an encrypted USB drive. Need to refresh them.
Hmm it’s probably worth the two minutes a month it’ll take to log in online and check that your latest items are there. I’ll set up a recurring reminder.
They used to be the app I would point to for awesome design principals for iOS and Mac. The V8 release has made the UI more cumbersome and it feels like a half baked release.
The one bright spot is they have improved their windows version quite a bit and I admit the team based manager is useful, if expensive.
Sad thing is, I still haven't found anything better. As far as 1Password has fallen, it's still better than the competition I've tried (including Bitwarden) by a country mile.
Seriously. I like getting authorization for the SSH keys that I have permitted. I haven’t yet modified the agent config which can from the Agent perspective prevent the presentation of unrelated SSH keys for given servers.
> Secretive is an app for storing and managing SSH keys in the Secure Enclave
I still hate the 1Password 8 UI and reject all of Dave Teare’s apologia for the UI garbage (if they either added multi-window or multi-tab support, then ~80% of my complaints would go away; if they eliminated the stupid Electron defaults for ⌘0 [mainly], ⌘-, and ⌘+ because resizing on the fly is something I never want to do with a password manager another ~10% of my complaints would go away; the rest won’t go away until they remember that Electron pseudo-modals are complete garbage and they need to DIAF).
I mostly interact with 1Password via the CLI and the browser extensions, since most of my passwords are already where they should be as I’ve been using 1Password since ~2006 (when it was 1Passwd and they were writing on the Switcher’s Blog).
However, I feel good knowing my private key can't be exfiltrated from my laptop, which is a guarantee that 1Password can't make at all.
I wish someone from the 1Password team would push to keep 1Password 7 in maintenance mode, without a subscription model. Just keep it working - I'd be happy to pay to keep it alive and kicking.
I'm in no way affiliated with these folks btw, but I am curious to hear if anyone has used it.
https://proton.me/pass
I find the Fastmail / 1Password masked email integration to be janky, and wish that 1Password could find a way to integrate with Apple’s iCloud email masking, but no such luck.
The lack of a desktop app is also not ideal. I use the 1Password app a fair amount.
One of the reasons I still use 1PW7 is that it's a native app. The move to Electron is a major culprit of the downgrade in quality 8 has seen. Unfortunately, the majority of its competitors are also Electron garbage.
It’s frustrating enough for me, but for my wife whom I’m trying desperately to onboard into the world of password management, this is an impossibly impassible scenario. She basically has to reset her bank password all the time to log in. Which makes standard human interactions like “did you receive that deposit yet” excruciating.
And then on the 1Password forums, all the employees are these self-righteous pricks that summarily dismiss their users as being uncooperative, when the reality is, they removed working functionality and replaced it with garbage that just doesn’t work.
For me, it's the password generator, easy tagging/search, and the autocomplete in form inputs. I also like the multiple content types (sw licenses, passwords, random other info, credit cards, etc.). I don't need really anything else.
Not sure I get what you mean?
I think the turning point was when someone leaked the corporate license and acquisition deal talks with Apple was underway.
1password shouldn’t have raised money. $622M+ now?
It would be great if Apple simply built out keychain access to support more data types and family sharing.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/exclusive-apple-deploy-1passw...
... and a Linux version, and a Windows version, and a Chrome extension, then another one for Firefox, maybe Edge, oh and certainly an Android app.
Sharing is coming to iOS 17, which is a bit surprising due to the general push-back on scope creep. I don't think additional data types are impossible, but the structure of Keychain and general philosophy both mean those are more likely to be spread out through the system (secure notes via notes app, credit card info via safari form fill and wallet, and so on).
The existence of 1st party platform and browser options and freemium competition are great from the perspective of having password managers available to the masses, but make a new product entry very difficult from the "profitable business" perspective.
I appreciate many online services, but I don't like them being the only owner of my data and/or abstracting away the fact that my data are files in the end.
See https://1password.community/discussion/140860/offline-sync-i... and https://1password.community/discussion/140774/offline-change....
After reading the second discussion, I submitted a support request and received instructions that more or less matched the first discussion. I didn’t care about the items (they are all items that I had explicitly deleted in the last four months) so I found some time when I could log out of both vaults and then logged back in (fortunately, I only needed the master passwords because). All of the items were gone.
IF YOU NEED THESE ITEMS, open a support request and DO NOT do what I did. Include a link to one of the discussions I showed above. You should get a response relatively quickly, and they’ll tell you what I just said — and if you need them, you will get additional instructions that should recover the items entirely.