This seems like clickbait: “Here are two people who have had complications from taking a drug! You should be outraged!”
The individuals highlighted appear to have underlying conditions that were aggravated by drugs, but these drugs have been in the market for 15 years, they’re not exactly untested.
I’ve taken one of the drugs in that class and it works great. I think people get hung up on the fact that you can buy thinness now, and that rubs people the wrong way because it’s always been the one thing you can’t buy, that it must come from discipline alone, but now you can and nothing is sacred anymore.
I wonder if there were some vice that degraded eyesight, that LASIK would be frowned upon.
We always get these drugs but in the long run show horrible side effects, I guess this article and some people are just trying to claim for their own reasons this cycle will continue, despite no good evidence for it.
“These drugs” referred to the class of drugs, GLP1s, which have been around for much longer. Victoza was approved in 2010 (liraglutide) and Byetta in 2005. It’s clickbait because it’s trying desperately to paint a narrative that these drugs were rushed to market and that they’re unsafe.
The narrative plays well to the general public because it’s a weight loss drug, which is seen as vain/ non-virtuous (even though it is, indeed, healthier to live life at a more modest BMI than most the population currently has).
If this were not clickbait they would be focused on breaking a new story, but there’s no story to be had, just “out of the millions of people who have taken this drug, we were able to find 2 that are less than shining examples of wellness”.
Weight loss drugs aren't just seen as vain, they're seen as potentially very dangerous due to the effects of the mitochondrial uncoupler and "miracle" weight-loss drug DNP. Journalists are on a hair trigger for hidden flaws, now.
We spend so much time and energy worrying about terrorists, fascists, guns, etc when it's heart disease, fentanyl, car crashes, and cancer doing all the killing
To be fair though, the root cause is probably a mental health crisis, especially seeing that suicides outnumber the homicides. But it goes without question that projectile weapons make it tremendously easier for mentally ill or desperate people to kill themselves or other people.
21k gun homicides, 43k car deaths, according to your links. And I'm guessing there are orders of magnitude more life-destroying non-fatal car events than gun events.
Also, maybe this is what I get downvoted to hell for, but I'd prefer we focus on making peoples' lives better so that they want to live; banning their access to quick & painless deaths (of which guns are the ~last; most good suicide drugs have already been throttled, helium is now cut with oxygen, and hanging has only a ~70% success rate) seems like focusing on the wrong side of the equation. I want people to want to live, not be forced to continue existing because of the extreme pain of the dying process.
It's just bizarre to me that car accidents and heart attacks aren't on anyone's radar at all
You turn on the news, and it'll go on and on and on and on and on about which bathroom people can or can't use, but there's nothing about heart health. If anything it's the opposite, just crazy bullshit about marauding criminal immigrants/pending climate catastrophe that stresses people out interspersed with closeups of greasy salty cheeseburgers
This is addressed quite extensively in the article, and the symptoms described are natural symptoms of diabetes. Since this was a diabetes only drug up until recently, it might explain why this didn’t end up on the drug’s sheet, even though the effects (vomiting) are listed.
One of the examples in the article was only taken of the drug after a doctor noticed a pattern with other patients he was treating, that were taking the same drug.
One should not ignore the financial incentives here. With the obesity problem only getting worse, a miracle drug like this would make sure it’s creators will be able extremely rich
I suppose that checks out. It slows digestion, so among some it slows it too much. I wonder what the mechanism is for it to keep going. I would have expected a rebound.
Nothing is free in life. You may be trading one problem for another.
That being said, I wonder of the health complications experienced by people taking these drugs are on average worse than the health complications experienced by people not taking them. Obesity is one meam motherfucker which leads to heart disease and diabetes. What good is a "healthy" stomach if you have a heart attack at 40? (I'm not discounting properly testing the drugs BTW. Just wondering how would you make the decisions to take them)
The thing I thought most important in the article was this:
“the first available appointments she could get with specialists”
Someone experiencing serious side effects can’t get access to a health care provider - yet people still say the US has the best health care in the world and point to months of delays to see specialists in socialized medicine regimes ignore the fact that rationing of health care is rampant in the US.
The rest of the article was clickbait - I feel bad for the people suffering, but side effects happen. Don’t ignore the small print.
> yet people still say the US has the best health care in the world
I don't know who says that. That said, US health care saved my best friend when he had stage 4 cancer and took some magical fairly newly invented treatment that made the cancer totally disappear in a matter of months.
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[ 2.5 ms ] story [ 58.4 ms ] threadThe individuals highlighted appear to have underlying conditions that were aggravated by drugs, but these drugs have been in the market for 15 years, they’re not exactly untested.
Ozempic was approved by the FDA in 2017, and in the past few years has taken off as a miracle weight-loss drug, which isn't its original purpose.
People using a newer drug for a newer purpose and experiencing complications is not click bait.
I wonder if there were some vice that degraded eyesight, that LASIK would be frowned upon.
The narrative plays well to the general public because it’s a weight loss drug, which is seen as vain/ non-virtuous (even though it is, indeed, healthier to live life at a more modest BMI than most the population currently has).
If this were not clickbait they would be focused on breaking a new story, but there’s no story to be had, just “out of the millions of people who have taken this drug, we were able to find 2 that are less than shining examples of wellness”.
We spend so much time and energy worrying about terrorists, fascists, guns, etc when it's heart disease, fentanyl, car crashes, and cancer doing all the killing
Car crashes: https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/early-estimate-2021-tra...
UK for comparison: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-...
To be fair though, the root cause is probably a mental health crisis, especially seeing that suicides outnumber the homicides. But it goes without question that projectile weapons make it tremendously easier for mentally ill or desperate people to kill themselves or other people.
Also, maybe this is what I get downvoted to hell for, but I'd prefer we focus on making peoples' lives better so that they want to live; banning their access to quick & painless deaths (of which guns are the ~last; most good suicide drugs have already been throttled, helium is now cut with oxygen, and hanging has only a ~70% success rate) seems like focusing on the wrong side of the equation. I want people to want to live, not be forced to continue existing because of the extreme pain of the dying process.
You turn on the news, and it'll go on and on and on and on and on about which bathroom people can or can't use, but there's nothing about heart health. If anything it's the opposite, just crazy bullshit about marauding criminal immigrants/pending climate catastrophe that stresses people out interspersed with closeups of greasy salty cheeseburgers
One of the examples in the article was only taken of the drug after a doctor noticed a pattern with other patients he was treating, that were taking the same drug.
One should not ignore the financial incentives here. With the obesity problem only getting worse, a miracle drug like this would make sure it’s creators will be able extremely rich
That being said, I wonder of the health complications experienced by people taking these drugs are on average worse than the health complications experienced by people not taking them. Obesity is one meam motherfucker which leads to heart disease and diabetes. What good is a "healthy" stomach if you have a heart attack at 40? (I'm not discounting properly testing the drugs BTW. Just wondering how would you make the decisions to take them)
“the first available appointments she could get with specialists”
Someone experiencing serious side effects can’t get access to a health care provider - yet people still say the US has the best health care in the world and point to months of delays to see specialists in socialized medicine regimes ignore the fact that rationing of health care is rampant in the US.
The rest of the article was clickbait - I feel bad for the people suffering, but side effects happen. Don’t ignore the small print.
I don't know who says that. That said, US health care saved my best friend when he had stage 4 cancer and took some magical fairly newly invented treatment that made the cancer totally disappear in a matter of months.