Ask HN: How to give a crash course on Git?
I'm trying to build an application with a novice programmer. I need to teach him the fundamentals of working with Git and I'm hoping to find an approach that he won't find overwhelming. I'm a Linux/CLI guy. He is a Windows/VS Code guy. He has almost no familiarity with Git. I know he will be much more comfortable using GUI tools. The problem is that using Git through a GUI is very counter-intuitive for me. Do I need to just bite the bullet and spend a few days trying to familiarize myself with the tools he will be using or can I separate the technology from the tools when trying to teach him? More broadly, how do you approach teaching someone something differently than you would do it yourself?
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[ 3.0 ms ] story [ 22.7 ms ] threadif you are designing a quick teaching tool or a training session, make warning messages that are informative, motivational, and kinda scary depending on the result (e.g., git commit with message is good, here's a sparkly high five; merge to main w/o code review is scary; squash commits is scary; committing credentials and pushing to prod is scary). Consider designing the lesson around lawful/true/chaotic evil/neutral/good. And then when not great things happen, have them try to fix the issue (rebase, reset commits hard/soft, rollback merge to main, ask for help when you don't know, inform someone else that you've made an error). This way they know informing others that something not great has happened and asking for help are good. Design the lesson such that best practice is standard practice.
Windows novices may not realise that git can be a local program contained in a folder, so making a repo to test how a verb works costs you nothing.
Also explain that GIT stores files by the MD5 hash of their contents, show him the hidden .git folder, explain its structure, and the object folder, with all the subfolders and files
Everything else is pointers, and chains of pointers, to those snapshot files, with some labels.
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It took me way too long to grok GIT because I was under the mistake impression that it stored deltas, and that made it much, much harder to understand
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In Windows, "git gui" is a pretty darned usable GUI
Knowing that GIT doesn't store deltas explains some of the things that made absolutely no sense before that point.
You don't want to just tell a programmer... oh... here are some magic spells, don't worry about how they work, or how to fix it if you make a mistake.
Tell them you don't expect them to remember all the details. It should only take 10-20 minutes to get them up to speed.
I value good mental models. What behavior did the difference between fake and real deltas explain?
Merges... fscking merges. Merge conflicts are completely unnecessary. Who cares about the delta from the last snapshot?, just store the new snapshot!
I've wasted so much time on "merge conflicts" even when I'm the only person, and I've got multiple computers involved. I've completely deleted git repos and rebuilt them to get around the insanity of merges gone bad. (Now I know it's different when you've got multiple programmers, etc... but in the base case, the wrong mental model deranges thinking)
The days of pkZIP files of source code on floppy disks NEVER included merge conflicts. GIT is an otherwise amazing upgrade from those days.
Sometimes the IDE or other tools mung a file that you don't edit by hand, but need in the archive, and you CAN'T merge it.
Deeper understanding of git can happen gradually. For now he just needs to be able to do a basic workflow.
Telling someone to take a course or go through a tutorial or read a book doesn't help that much, actually it is more discouraging and give impressions of an unhelpful colleague, as a new guy. Depending on GUI or Built-in IDE git features are not the solution, getting to know simple raw native git commands for tasks at hand or problem being faced is the best approach, imo.
So in short, I don't teach people to do something differently, I just teach them. I try to be clear that as long as we all are ending up with the same end result, they should feel free to find other ways that work better for them.
I actually switched from CLI to a GUI a couple of years ago because I found one that was a pure UI over git (not trying to abstract it) and that had a lot of useful features that were difficult to do from the CLI. If looking for a GUI to check out, I’d really recommend sublime merge, created by the same people as sublime text. You can also see exactly which commands it’s running which makes for an easy transition imo.
With that said, I switched to Sublime Merge purely because of advanced features that were difficult in the CLI. For just learning git, the CLI should be totally fine.
https://git-immersion.github.io/gitimmersion/
If they were my report, I would allocate about twenty paid hours for the training. A contiguous block or fragments of time depending on the way the report trained best…some people want to plow through, others have limits of a few hours at a time.
Not saying gitimmersion is the best tutorial. Only that it is good enough for normal cases
However I am saying that without having been trained as a trainer, outsourcing training is going to be a better use of your time and theirs.
Good luck.
Plan to run through it myself this weekend. I used to use GIT back about 15 years ago, but have found my ability to remember it is limited.
Oh, please let me know if it is broken. It's been a few years since I used it.
So, I know you are new to git, and I am happy to help you! Just so you know, I am a bit of a command line kind of guy (because <reasons - it can be scripted, it works out of the box on all of my machines, whatever>).
If you'd like to be able to copy exactly what I do and have me help you with any problem that you encounter, you may find it easiest to use exactly the tool/version/environment that I use. However, if you're comfortable doing a bit of research and troubleshooting yourself, feel free to use a different tool that works better for you, and I'll still do my best to help you, but it's possible you'll run into tool-specific issues that I have never encountered and won't be the best person to help with. You could even try both at once, or try one approach and change your mind later on, we'll work it out as we go!
Having some visual intuition of what the commands correspond to really helps.
What I've found is when teaching topics like this, is to start with "why git" instead of "how to git". Giving people a baseboard for them to rest their newfound knowledge helps a lot later on.
On windows start with TortoiseGit, if he used TortoiseSVN before he'll get it. Right-clicking on a file/folder will bring up a context menu that windows users will be very familiar with, plus it has labels that even a command line git user would be familiar with. Then teach him commits, pushes and branches (git's underlying mechanics) from there on.