Ask HN: Why nobody cares about David Grusch’s UFO revelations?

13 points by Kalpeshbhalekar ↗ HN

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because there is no concrete evidence. It's not credible, and just speculation at this point.

We've seen this before, and we'll see it again. If you want to convince people that aliens exist, you need to show evidence.

Evidence, Evidence, Evidence

Didn't the Pentagon release a few UFO videos in 2021?
again, there needs to be conclusive proof of UFOs/extra-terrestrials.

The burden of proof is on those claiming they exist. Blurry videos of "objects in the sky" is not evidence.

You need to understand that a video of a UFO is in no way an indication that "UFOs are aliens flying around us". It's a video of an unidentified flying object, or a phenomenon that appears to be an object.
His claims are all on behalf of “witnesses” he interviewed.

I don’t believe any organization of more than a single person could keep a secret as big as physical samples of alien spacecraft or bodies secret for more than a few minutes, let alone decades.

There is also just, and I hate to bring it out, Occam's Razor.

What requires fewer assumptions?

Aliens exist, and either in defiance of known physics they have FTL, or take inconceivably long and one-way voyages... only to crash on our particular rock. Always in the US for some reason, always without leaving a single piece of evidence. They must be both monstrously advanced, and comically inept at the same time.

OR

There are more mundane explanations for the alleged "sightings" and so on, ranging from human error, machine error, to "secret military programs like B-21, NGAD, and some insane cutting-edge drones." Just like a lot of UFO sightings turned out to be the US' early attempts to develop stealth craft, I suspect a lot of present sightings will turn out to be the aforementioned projects. "Aliens" makes a perfect smokescreen for a government which would love to be able to dismiss the odd sighting of a black program like a next generation drone or stealth bomber.

As a bonus that also explains the Grusch theater, this is an almost laughably inexpensive thing to do, potentially to deflect attention from some very expensive projects.

Because it is, so far, just hearsay with no physical evidence.

It's a curious moment: the US military has recently been more transparent about UAP, including releasing videos. NASA has a permanent body investigating UAP reports. And some seemingly serious people make seemingly serious claims about stuff other people have said exists.

It seems to me that official bodies are treating these reports with more public seriousness than they have in the past.

But, thus far, none of the reports or "evidence" is at all compelling.

And, in a general social climate of distrust of political authority, distrust of scientific processes, and general conspiratorial thinking, these claims must be treated with skepticism.

I look forward to seeing comprehensive, repeatable, multi-national analysis of previously unknown materials. Until then ... pfffft.

Because words, whether spoken or written, are not evidence.

Our greatest flaw, as a species, is failing to recognize this.

The perpetual narrative is, "He is a respected man; he has no reason to lie; he is putting his reputation on the line to do this." Those things fail to convert words into evidence.

Evidence begins with data. Very specific details. Drawings, measurements, logs, times and dates. These are all missing. If those were present, we could begin to follow the trail towards evidence.

But, apparently, most of us are not wired that way.

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We have been hearing about UFO's for 70+ years. Every few years there's a great stir about how the government has been hiding evidence of extra terrestrial life only to be proved as lies or fraud later. There was a time that the government encouraged the rumors as a way to hide top secret avionic research so they had a reason to make sure it continued.

Bottom line, we have zero credible evidence of extra terrestrial visitations. Think about this, we have billions of people using phones with cameras. Yet we don't even have a credible photo that we can show as real evidence.

Science fiction has burned the idea of ET's into our collective minds so much that most of us are convinced that there must be extra-terrestrial life among us.

There was a time when people thought elves and fairies were 100% real. Ok, now switch ET's for them.

Because all aliens always land in the USA.
Of course, since they been watching hollywood movies, and which city do the aliens always invade? New York. That's why.
How about Slash/Back (2022), where aliens land in northern Canada and attack an Inuit town?
That's not actually true. Reportings have been all around the world for a long time.

However the USA is the only country having a current "meltdown" over the issue.

As he has stated ad nauseam in hearings, he has provided more compelling, classified evidence to Congress. Were he to provide that evidence publicly, he would be committing a crime.

If he lied in the recent congressional hearing, he would also be committing a crime, and could face charges of perjury and contempt of congress, as well as the end of his career. One wonders why he would do this?

Most people who aren't curious about Grusch's claims haven't carefully evaluated the available information. It takes no work whatsoever to dismiss his claims based on prejudice. People are lazy.