TBH its funny when people bring up american propaganda anyway. US media outlets are so overly critical of america, to the point it borders on anti-american propaganda
Also from 17 hours ago: "UFO hearing key takeaways: What a whistleblower told Congress about UAPs"
For detailed scientific elaboration on propaganda Jacques Ellul is a must read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Ellul -> Joseph Weizenbaum has read him, and so should anyone who uses the P-word on HN :)
Wow, thats rich coming from germany. Studying american “propaganda” in schools that is. I dont understand why the anti american sentiment is so prevalent in that country. Do they resent the us for fighting against them in ww2? Or for calling out their initially treacherous attitude towards the recent war? Although somehow germany appears to have the same attitude towards all other countries, including those in europe. Wondering if they understand that there will eventually be backlash.
not German so no idea, but pretty much how US is perceived literally anywhere outside the US including much of the English speaking world (there often the most because they have even more exposure culturally).
the reason why they feel threatened or resent the system might have to do with the US showing reducto ad absurdum what the ultimate conclusion of capitalism will be. Like a mirror that allows you to look into the future and it ain't pretty:
people without housing, no empathy for those worse off, lack of culture except the cult of making more money, most people stuck in several jobs without making ends meet, no functioning public transport, cults that celebrate billionaires and fake it until you make it culture (Theranos, WeChat, SV in general), a large proportion of the populace illiterate or in other ways too incompetent to vote for change, the ones that are able to vote do not have any choice other than a 2 party system which is the same sh1t but different color.
I can understand why some people may disagree with how things work in the us. And while there are pros and cons to it i think there’s a long road from a debate to teaching children in schools about “american propaganda”. That’s something adversarial countries do.
> Wow, thats rich coming from germany. Studying american “propaganda” in schools that is. I dont understand why the anti american sentiment is so prevalent in that country.
Why do you feel attacked by students learning about American propaganda? Why is it "anti American" to learn about this topic?
> Do they resent the us for fighting against them in ww2? Or for calling out their initially treacherous attitude towards the recent war? Although somehow germany appears to have the same attitude towards all other countries, including those in europe. Wondering if they understand that there will eventually be backlash.
You seem seriously agitated. Is the whole world supposed to treat America like a child, never mentioning bad things and only ever talking about positive sides?
Have you ever seriously sat down and looked at American propaganda, especially during/after WW2? It's a fascinating topic. I hope you realise that German students also learn about German propaganda - it's not something you do because the country you're learning about is evil, it's something you do because it's part of reality, and students should learn to critically think about reality.
My sensors have detected more than a little propaganda of various forms on the Ukraine topic. Lots of things going on there, and the English language (including how it's processed by consciousness: sub-perceptually) and western cultural norms and media structure offer a wide variety of ways to plant a false conceptualization of precisely what's going on in the public's minds.
A standard response to this is inaccurate/misleading rhetoric (based upon the individual's false conceptualization, here's where the magic lies), also a cultural norm.
Now do some research on which country defends china’s shenanigans in europe in exchange for access to china’s markets, in order to sell their emissions cheating vehicles.
Hint: the same country that did russia favours in exchange for gas and oil. Hopefully the rest of the world finally understands what’s going on in europe, and why the continent stagnates both economically and politically.
Each country has its own propaganda. It's naïve to think that America doesn't have a propaganda and one is not influenced by it. We need a website that lists all of them (in markdown format).
Why should I trust a random git repo more than wikipedia? I don't think the format the data is stored as (git vs wiki) says anything about the reliability of the information.
It's not surprising to find that half the comments in this thread are about what other countries are doing or have done. I find it less than genuine, certainly those should be submitted as separate posts, and can be debated there on their own merits, as should this one.
Whataboutism is the standard SOP to derail conversations, esp. when related to international politics.
Other tactics include injecting hot button issues like race, gender, or TSLA into topics -- "lightning rods" -- or setting up wild strawmen to distract and create dog-pile situations.
Ideally, combine these approaches together, and have them speak from the view you want to discredit.
Multiple participants also lend legitimacy, so use long-establish sockpuppet accounts and bots to give the appearance of consensus.
HN discussions aren't delimited to what the OP or any other participants want to. NYPost is considered US propaganda to millions of people around the world, thousands of them are part of this forum.
To question who is accusing another company of propaganda is a legitimate part of this discussion.
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TBH its funny when people bring up american propaganda anyway. US media outlets are so overly critical of america, to the point it borders on anti-american propaganda
Also from 17 hours ago: "UFO hearing key takeaways: What a whistleblower told Congress about UAPs"
For detailed scientific elaboration on propaganda Jacques Ellul is a must read: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacques_Ellul -> Joseph Weizenbaum has read him, and so should anyone who uses the P-word on HN :)
PS: Слава Україні! :)
the reason why they feel threatened or resent the system might have to do with the US showing reducto ad absurdum what the ultimate conclusion of capitalism will be. Like a mirror that allows you to look into the future and it ain't pretty:
people without housing, no empathy for those worse off, lack of culture except the cult of making more money, most people stuck in several jobs without making ends meet, no functioning public transport, cults that celebrate billionaires and fake it until you make it culture (Theranos, WeChat, SV in general), a large proportion of the populace illiterate or in other ways too incompetent to vote for change, the ones that are able to vote do not have any choice other than a 2 party system which is the same sh1t but different color.
Why do you feel attacked by students learning about American propaganda? Why is it "anti American" to learn about this topic?
> Do they resent the us for fighting against them in ww2? Or for calling out their initially treacherous attitude towards the recent war? Although somehow germany appears to have the same attitude towards all other countries, including those in europe. Wondering if they understand that there will eventually be backlash.
You seem seriously agitated. Is the whole world supposed to treat America like a child, never mentioning bad things and only ever talking about positive sides?
Have you ever seriously sat down and looked at American propaganda, especially during/after WW2? It's a fascinating topic. I hope you realise that German students also learn about German propaganda - it's not something you do because the country you're learning about is evil, it's something you do because it's part of reality, and students should learn to critically think about reality.
A standard response to this is inaccurate/misleading rhetoric (based upon the individual's false conceptualization, here's where the magic lies), also a cultural norm.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Authorization...
Hint: the same country that did russia favours in exchange for gas and oil. Hopefully the rest of the world finally understands what’s going on in europe, and why the continent stagnates both economically and politically.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...
wtf is with these trolls this week...
from the nypost no less...
Do a quick comparison of TikTok's algorithmic suggestions versus Douyin's (China tiktok). Culture war for thee but not for me.
Other tactics include injecting hot button issues like race, gender, or TSLA into topics -- "lightning rods" -- or setting up wild strawmen to distract and create dog-pile situations.
Ideally, combine these approaches together, and have them speak from the view you want to discredit.
Multiple participants also lend legitimacy, so use long-establish sockpuppet accounts and bots to give the appearance of consensus.
Double-standard operating procedure.
https://web.archive.org/web/20221215015113/https://pastebin....
I swear TikTok is the only platform not outright pushing hate content. If NYP is mad about it then they’re probably doing something right.