I've seen you make some really insightful comments recently, but this one isn't.
When did "Troll" come to mean "everything I disagree with" or, being generous here "any opinion that disagrees with the majority."?
Seriously. Trolls are those mythical creatures who somehow get off on harassing people or causing problems. I'm sure there are 13 year old kids who think its funny to disrupt a community... but %99 of the time I see the word "troll" used, it seems to be just calling someone a pejorative to get around making a counter argument. This guy made a single post on his blog, for gosh sakes. That's not exactly trolling. Pretty much the opposite, in fact.
I tried Rails in 2007. Was really into it for about 3 weeks, then I realized it sucked and stopped using it. Soon after that I noticed that so many people in the "rails" community acted like "rock stars" and were snobby jerks.
The only difference between me and this guy, that I can see, is he wrote a blog post about it.... and he identifies real things that actually have happened.
Oh wait, I get it, the whole "we're superior rock stars" attitude is why, anyone who disagrees is automatically a troll, right? (Seriously, I don't think that's what you're saying, but by calling him a troll you're only confirming his argument.)
I think the 37 Signals guys have a lot of good advice. I know there are good developers in the rails community. I know there are jerks who use other languages (Except erlang, I have never met an erlang jerk) and there are really nice people who use rails. I think rails sucks ass but I don't go around telling people that.
I do wonder, though, if there aren't a lot of naive people who don't know better and only have PHP or other things to compare it to who end up using rails and think its great. If I hadn't used Web Objects before, I might have thought Rails was great.
Am I a troll because I kept my mouth shut for 5 years and said nothing about not liking rails, but now have come out of the closet and admitted it in defense of some guy who made a blog post?
PS-- does anyone really want to make the argument that there isn't massive attitude in the Rails community? the one photo of DHH with the "Fuck You" slide would refute it.
PPS-- And now I see you have all flagged it and buried the story. Political correctness at work. Thou shalt not disagree with the HN hive mind. Meanwhile, naturally, anything that bashes apple or praises android or google or bashes oracle or praises YCombinator makes the front page, no matter how incoherently written.
Are you really sticking up for this post? I'm not flagging it because I "disagree" with it. It's a terrible post, beneath the site, and can only provoke the dumbest possible debates here.
You seem to have a lot to say about Rails (I skimmed your comment, because I'm not having this debate on this thread). You should write a blog post about them. I will absolutely vote it up.
Yeah, I won't learn something because somebody might think that I'm a jerk for knowing it. This is mostly due to an uninformed, judgmental, and very specific piece of the populace who won't let something go from several years ago.
Nobody cares what yo learn. If you want to avoid any framework like rails or any programming language, is your choice. They are tools, so choose what suits the job or your mind set.
"And it doesn't even run well! The framework itself takes on the order of a gigabyte of RAM, making it a poor choice for many of the simple applications they target. Early rails applications needed to be restarted tens of times a day."
Mixing past and present tense. :(
Anyways, is there any truth to rails being a memory hog?
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[ 1.9 ms ] story [ 16.2 ms ] threadWhen did "Troll" come to mean "everything I disagree with" or, being generous here "any opinion that disagrees with the majority."?
Seriously. Trolls are those mythical creatures who somehow get off on harassing people or causing problems. I'm sure there are 13 year old kids who think its funny to disrupt a community... but %99 of the time I see the word "troll" used, it seems to be just calling someone a pejorative to get around making a counter argument. This guy made a single post on his blog, for gosh sakes. That's not exactly trolling. Pretty much the opposite, in fact.
I tried Rails in 2007. Was really into it for about 3 weeks, then I realized it sucked and stopped using it. Soon after that I noticed that so many people in the "rails" community acted like "rock stars" and were snobby jerks.
The only difference between me and this guy, that I can see, is he wrote a blog post about it.... and he identifies real things that actually have happened.
Oh wait, I get it, the whole "we're superior rock stars" attitude is why, anyone who disagrees is automatically a troll, right? (Seriously, I don't think that's what you're saying, but by calling him a troll you're only confirming his argument.)
I think the 37 Signals guys have a lot of good advice. I know there are good developers in the rails community. I know there are jerks who use other languages (Except erlang, I have never met an erlang jerk) and there are really nice people who use rails. I think rails sucks ass but I don't go around telling people that.
I do wonder, though, if there aren't a lot of naive people who don't know better and only have PHP or other things to compare it to who end up using rails and think its great. If I hadn't used Web Objects before, I might have thought Rails was great.
Am I a troll because I kept my mouth shut for 5 years and said nothing about not liking rails, but now have come out of the closet and admitted it in defense of some guy who made a blog post?
PS-- does anyone really want to make the argument that there isn't massive attitude in the Rails community? the one photo of DHH with the "Fuck You" slide would refute it.
PPS-- And now I see you have all flagged it and buried the story. Political correctness at work. Thou shalt not disagree with the HN hive mind. Meanwhile, naturally, anything that bashes apple or praises android or google or bashes oracle or praises YCombinator makes the front page, no matter how incoherently written.
You seem to have a lot to say about Rails (I skimmed your comment, because I'm not having this debate on this thread). You should write a blog post about them. I will absolutely vote it up.
Please flag this dumb post, though.
Pls stop being a troll and get a life.
Mixing past and present tense. :(
Anyways, is there any truth to rails being a memory hog?
Why don't you people read the TFA?