Why is prostitution unethical? (in essence; many actual implementations are indeed terrible).
I found this interview of a porn actor and a porn actress by Hugo Decrypt quite interesting [1] (in French). It seems it can be done right.
The Borgen series also has a very interesting episode about prostitution. Season 3 Episode 5 if whatever shows up with a "borgen prostitution" search is correct. It presents interesting ideas on the matter. I highly recommend it. The episode can be viewed without seeing the previous seasons / episode. It depicts a woman who chooses to do this job and likes it. She provides arguments for why it should be allowed.
As for porn users, first, it's not only men who watch it. You are supposing men-only by mentioning fathers. And I've not noticed many romantic lives destroyed by porn (I'm quite sure at least some people around me in couple watch porn and they seem fine). I even seen a movie depicting a couple using porn to spice their sex. Why not? I would not be surprise people actually did that and would see nothing wrong in it. Are you sure you are not confusing your gut with reality? Now of course additions can ruin you, and I'm sure porn addiction exists, but I don't think most porn users are at this level of addiction.
And I would definitely welcome ethical porn / more respect to everybody involved in this thing, and wished people said no to unethical porn.
Let's see if I can make a secular approach to this.
Sex and sexuality are oriented toward procreation of children. They are also oriented toward forming bonds of love and trust between the people having sex.
It is no mistake that sex is referred to as "intimacy". It is a time of vulnerability, of togetherness, of sharing between the people having it.
With the above stipulations in mind, sex is something that is typically done in private. I know not of a prevailing culture anywhere in the world that encourages people to have sex in public. Public nudity is restricted to certain places, and even "PDAs" may be socially discouraged to some extent, especially if they approach or simulate intercourse.
Also with the above in mind, sex is traditionally an act shared between a man and a wife hoping to have children.
So it seems like porn flouts all the norms that I've just described. Porn is, by design more or less, transgressive in every way possible. It's clear that the author of the article supports extremely transgressive depictions of porn, as long as they are "ethically produced".
Porn is not a realistic depiction of intercourse for love and procreation; porn is a drama or comedy, usually with a campy exaggeration of everything that men love to see: the body types, characters, situations, props and clothing are all geared to appeal to people who consume porn, not to people who are interested in having children or loving their wives.
> Sex and sexuality are oriented toward procreation of children.
I strongly disagree. The vast majority of sex is entirely unrelated to procreation.
> They are also oriented toward forming bonds of love and trust between the people having sex.
This is a value judgement that I don't believe is universally true. A lot of people have casual relations, sometimes for their entire lives without building bonds of love and trust.
> Also with the above in mind, sex is traditionally an act shared between a man and a wife hoping to have children.
So once a man and wife have all the children they are going to have, they abstain from sex for the rest of their lives?
While I appreciate that you attempted to take a secular view of this, I don't think you were successful. You've taken things that are very traditional christian centric viewpoints and proscribed them as something that transcends religion
Frankly, I don't actually believe porn is any worse than any other modern media consumption. Media addiction is a real problem regardless of the genre that caused it.
I also firmly believe that what consenting adults legally do is entirely up to them and I have no right to make moral judgments. If two people want to get down and nasty and record it for other consenting adults, who am I to tell them it's wrong?
Can you provide proof of all your assertions about the negative effects of porn usage not addiction and do provide well respected, non religious, scientific sources with sane methodologies and sound conclusions.
Everyone knows for instance that gluttony leads to myriad problems but this doesn't support the conclusion that bacon gives you heart attacks.
> multiple initiatives have sprung up to ensure that porn is moving in a more ethical direction. For example, sites like Proof of Peach are advocates of block-chain porn which gives creators better control of their content.
Because that worked so well when we did it with money, right?
So does something like computer-rendered Overwatch characters performing sexual acts qualify as "ethical porn"? Often they even feature the otherwise female characters with male sexual organs, thus "challenging hetero-normative porn narratives", which this article alleges is a key component of being "ethical".
Or would it fail the authors ethics test due to starring idealized, "traditionally beautiful" characters, in extreme contrast to the article's illustration that features exclusively harshly unappealing characters?
xconfessions by Lust Cinema is pretty good, especially the early ones. They are a collection of 15-20 minute long films based on fantasies that people have submitted. They have a natural progression showing the lead-up (the "why are these people having sex? part) and the actual sex feels pretty genuine.
It’s pretty easy to produce ethical porn when you’re not a shitty person/business and pay a good wage. I thought finding models would be the hard part. Turns out, unsurprisingly, it’s cash flow.
The article barely touches on the treatment of porn actresses. Its main concern is that porn "challenge", and not reinforce, hetero-patriarchy and the sex binary. Make of that what you will.
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Times have changed, those "conventional" attitudes are now considered unethical, as are theistically-based ethics ("sins").
Why is prostitution unethical? (in essence; many actual implementations are indeed terrible).
I found this interview of a porn actor and a porn actress by Hugo Decrypt quite interesting [1] (in French). It seems it can be done right.
The Borgen series also has a very interesting episode about prostitution. Season 3 Episode 5 if whatever shows up with a "borgen prostitution" search is correct. It presents interesting ideas on the matter. I highly recommend it. The episode can be viewed without seeing the previous seasons / episode. It depicts a woman who chooses to do this job and likes it. She provides arguments for why it should be allowed.
As for porn users, first, it's not only men who watch it. You are supposing men-only by mentioning fathers. And I've not noticed many romantic lives destroyed by porn (I'm quite sure at least some people around me in couple watch porn and they seem fine). I even seen a movie depicting a couple using porn to spice their sex. Why not? I would not be surprise people actually did that and would see nothing wrong in it. Are you sure you are not confusing your gut with reality? Now of course additions can ruin you, and I'm sure porn addiction exists, but I don't think most porn users are at this level of addiction.
And I would definitely welcome ethical porn / more respect to everybody involved in this thing, and wished people said no to unethical porn.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BubVE25uzo
Sex and sexuality are oriented toward procreation of children. They are also oriented toward forming bonds of love and trust between the people having sex.
It is no mistake that sex is referred to as "intimacy". It is a time of vulnerability, of togetherness, of sharing between the people having it.
With the above stipulations in mind, sex is something that is typically done in private. I know not of a prevailing culture anywhere in the world that encourages people to have sex in public. Public nudity is restricted to certain places, and even "PDAs" may be socially discouraged to some extent, especially if they approach or simulate intercourse.
Also with the above in mind, sex is traditionally an act shared between a man and a wife hoping to have children.
So it seems like porn flouts all the norms that I've just described. Porn is, by design more or less, transgressive in every way possible. It's clear that the author of the article supports extremely transgressive depictions of porn, as long as they are "ethically produced".
Porn is not a realistic depiction of intercourse for love and procreation; porn is a drama or comedy, usually with a campy exaggeration of everything that men love to see: the body types, characters, situations, props and clothing are all geared to appeal to people who consume porn, not to people who are interested in having children or loving their wives.
I strongly disagree. The vast majority of sex is entirely unrelated to procreation.
> They are also oriented toward forming bonds of love and trust between the people having sex.
This is a value judgement that I don't believe is universally true. A lot of people have casual relations, sometimes for their entire lives without building bonds of love and trust.
> Also with the above in mind, sex is traditionally an act shared between a man and a wife hoping to have children.
So once a man and wife have all the children they are going to have, they abstain from sex for the rest of their lives?
While I appreciate that you attempted to take a secular view of this, I don't think you were successful. You've taken things that are very traditional christian centric viewpoints and proscribed them as something that transcends religion
Frankly, I don't actually believe porn is any worse than any other modern media consumption. Media addiction is a real problem regardless of the genre that caused it.
I also firmly believe that what consenting adults legally do is entirely up to them and I have no right to make moral judgments. If two people want to get down and nasty and record it for other consenting adults, who am I to tell them it's wrong?
Everyone knows for instance that gluttony leads to myriad problems but this doesn't support the conclusion that bacon gives you heart attacks.
Because that worked so well when we did it with money, right?
Or would it fail the authors ethics test due to starring idealized, "traditionally beautiful" characters, in extreme contrast to the article's illustration that features exclusively harshly unappealing characters?
xconfessions by Lust Cinema is pretty good, especially the early ones. They are a collection of 15-20 minute long films based on fantasies that people have submitted. They have a natural progression showing the lead-up (the "why are these people having sex? part) and the actual sex feels pretty genuine.
Any others?