Ask HN: At what age did your cognition start to decline?

6 points by counterpartyrsk ↗ HN
I'm 46 and I feel as tho I'm in a fog most of the day. I'm struggling to learn the latest tech, which used to be my passion. I didn't feel this way 1 to 2 years ago.

Is this par for the course? What's your experience, old timers?

33 comments

[ 2.8 ms ] story [ 84.8 ms ] thread
How can we make sure this isn't age phishing?
You've just been marked safe from age-based cognitive decline.
Those whose cognition has sufficiently declined will be defenseless!
You need to program every day , at least 3 hours. Its like any other skill. Yes, you will be slower probably, but you must train.
It is hard to do this once you stuck in a job which is not demanding and you have to keep this hobby yourself. I think thats where most programmers/engineers fail. Few side projects but then they lose motivation to keep going.
I was talking to someone the other day that knows a lot of stuff about brains who insisted that cognitive decline is not a normal part of aging.

If you’re worried you’re experiencing cognitive decline, perhaps you should discuss it with someone who can do appropriate investigations into possible causes for your current experience.

Hasn't yet, and this is in spite of the most earnest efforts on the part of my psychiatrists.

Most of what is prescribed for my conditions have detrimental effects on cognition, such as brain fog, akathisia, homicidal ideations, extreme drowsiness and fatigue.

In fact, today I just quit two HBP meds due to their adverse side effects as listed above (they also cause depression, etc.)

These drugs are indeed designed to hamper cognition and keep you in bed all day. They are literally chemical restraints; they substitute for shackles and leg irons. They do not heal or cure any disease; in fact they can often cause the very symptoms they're supposed to suppress.

My rule of thumb is that if any drug hampers my ability to think or stay awake through a work day, then my right to work outweighs any imaginary benefits of those chemical restraints. I won't be sleeping my life away.

Oh, my conditions, you ask? They don't bother me, don't get in the way of a normal everyday life. When I do have an episode, there's not a drug invented that could prevent it.

I'm an intellectual worker: I earn money with my mind, and doing good work sharpens my mind, like quality singing strengthens my voice. I find dignity and self-worth in employment, and nobody will take that away from me.

What didorders and what medications?
It is probably none of our business and not relevant to the bigger discussion. I can speculate the answers based on their writing style, but I don't think psycho-analyzing our fellow HN users is either respectful of each other, nor does it add anything constructive to the discussion.
Believe me, there can be life saving/altering constructing feedback on internet forums even from non-professionals. I know I've got it myself.

Maybe they can get it too. But not today. Today is for complaining.

This a very nice example (well done!) of talking a lot and saying nothing!
Thank you. I am prescribed some meds that could be effecting me.
I've seen this with family members as well. We've had terrific results by having open communication with health providers. Tell them if meds are working or not, if side effects cause problems or not. Most providers start with the standard answers for what meds should be tried, but there are other answers. You'll only hear those other answers, though, if you tell your provider that the first-line answers aren't right for you. Tell them all your complaints, big or small, and they can get you on a path that works.
> Oh, my conditions, you ask? They don't bother me, don't get in the way of a normal everyday life.

If the disorder doesn't lower you QoL then you dont suffer from it, so you don't need meds.

> When I do have an episode, there's not a drug invented that could prevent it.

Maybe, maybe not. But showing the disorder can explain a lot of stuff.

Always found it hard to learn new tech. I think years ago companies would be happier to give you more time to learn it on the job and that was the difference.

Getting older means holding less things in my head when debugging but thats about it.

When you have ADHD you're oscillating all your life. For some it gets better, for some it gets worse.
When my parents moved to a different part of the UK, where the water was calcium rich (very hard water) and we'd previously lived in a soft water location, so around the age of 13. Been downhill ever since.

I've had good results with choline for tackling brain fog.

I've tried choline bitartrate, which is ok short term in not high doses maybe a couple of grams per day at best, but now it just causes bone aches.

AlphaGPC, also ok, but the high phosphate content does you bones no good, kept me very wired and if you want to reduce the time to a heart attack take loads of this.

Lecithin, which is a food ingredient, found in chocolate, seeds like sunflower, and egg yolk.

Its a nice form of the supplement, but again cant take too much of it for too long as a supplement.

Currently looking at Choline Chloride. The chlorides (negatively charged chlorine) seem to be quite useful in the body, so I'm probably going to give that a go at some point.

Obviously egg yolks are good for choline, so plenty of eggs.

Avoid stress in all forms at all costs. If its not right and cant be fixed soon, just walk away from it.

Stress is a massive killer.

I dont have a problem keeping myself occupied, avid reader.

I also had some Testogel during mid 30's, used to slappo a couple doses on the shoulder for recreational purposes when going out on friday nights, not a fan of Bolivian marching powder, and I found testogel to be much better for making me feel good, than anything Columbia can export!

It does wonders for your mental health, but come to think of it, it does help a bit with mental acuity, so that might be something to look at. Here in the UK, the NHS is all messed up, so you'll only get it on private prescription.

I'd recommend Testogel to any bloke over Columbian exports, and it doesnt make you angry either, I think the roid rage is lack of manganese and short intense diabetes which is probably waiting to be discovered by the so called medical experts.

You've given me a lot to research, thanks for taking the time to share your experiences!
What new tech? Unless it s some biotech or dark-matter discovery there is not a lot of new things to learn. What i find is i can't find things exciting enough to learn (i know about deep nets and crypto and such). Documentation is just boring
With that timing, you might look into long Covid.

For me? Maybe 55? But it wasn't a sharp thing, so it's hard to put a firm age on it.

I was 56, March of 2020. After a mild case of Covid, things have been a bit foggy, in terms of thought, ever since.
That's my experience too, I haven't been the same after 2 bouts with COVID. I get hung up on identifying the source of my decline; is it age or COVID, but with no "cure" for either I guess it doesn't matter, it comes down to managing my current condition.
It could be a subtle amount of burnout and or low grade ME/CFS. Most people who have this don’t know it. People who work in tech are more likely to have the underlying preconditions that increase susceptibility and onset does occur as you get older. Probably the easiest way to check is to see how you respond to a low dose of Modafinil. An unusually strong response would be indicative of an ADHD level of dopamine dysregulation.
Probably around 30 for me. I attribute most of it to burnout and family issues.
Started experience this around 35. Im 37 now. Its been hell since I was very productive in my 20s and now at a point I am unable to function.
What changed in your 30s?
Are you certain it's not lifestyle related? I've found that without my morning ritual, I can barely approach anything resembling productivity—and that's at the ripe old age of 28.

My morning ritual consists of getting up early, walking, lifting heavy weights, some coffee and some personal projects to get my brain working. Then I can usually sustain high levels of intense focus until about noon. All my most important work gets done by then. After noon is basically just rest and low-cognitive work like emails and communications.

I’m 68, 3 bouts of COVID since 2020, and no signs of cognitive decline. There are things I’m no longer interested in but no problem pursuing anything I’m interested in.
I'm 50 and I feel at my peak in software development, but not as comfortable around abstract math as I used to be. In my case, plenty of sleep, rest and exercise has been key. I am not the most fit person you'll find, but I devote a lot of time to release stress.
Honestly would recommend a therapist. Brain fog isn’t always chemical or neurological decline. Cognition on a particular subject can fade for any number of reasons and most of the ways that are fixable involve learning to work with your own mind.

I lost some ability to code regularly a few years ago and found after a long while of looking that I had a dissociative disorder. Nowadays I can code better than I did before. Drugs were not the path that worked for me, but I consider them valuable for stabilization if needed so that work can be done.