how can it be one of the best if it's not even good? For example, it lacks a must have undo feature (just like TC), so you can't easily recover from accidentally deleting the wrong selection of files
Of course I use recycle bin. Why wouldn't I use a great tool for the job? It would be negligent not to, when it or similar is available on the OS I'm using.
Even this tool uses recycle bin. It may not have a ctrl-z to undo a delete, but it doesn't permanently delete unless explicitly requested.
Comparing pancakes to file management is an apples to oranges comparison.
I won't tell you to use the recycle bin if you don't want to, but DC supports deleting to the recycle bin if you're so inclined (Del/F8 deletes to recycle bin, you have to press Shift for "hard" delete)...
I am fascinated by your position. Why would it be a must-have operation? What's wrong with tools that take you as close to the machine as possible? We used to have tools that could manipulate the FAT on disk directly readily available!
And, IIRC, both TC + DC support deleting to the recycling bin. I know they do, because it's one of the first options I disable when setting them up on a new computer.
Because it significantly improves UI in the core area of file management (and the issue is undo, not just recycle bin, and it also covers e.g. renames etc that good file managers have)
How does undo move you far away from your machine? Any why are you using a GUI tool instead of living in the terminal, terminals are closer to the machine!
The actual URL is https://doublecmd.sourceforge.io/gallery/index.html and the default behaviour is to redirect to index.html if no filename given, but due misconfiguration it requires no referrer on it too.
It has been my daily driver for almost a decade, when my license for Servant Salamander (from altap.cz) expired. I like the configurability with external tools apart from rock solid core functionality. I would like to see Everything (from voidtools) Integration like in Total Commander. (https://www.ghisler.com/everything.htm)
Salamander last update was 07/01/2019 so I really doubt it. Would not need it anymore though, considering advantages of Doublecmd and that is in active development since 2007.
I wish bash had a way to pop up a tree view that let me select the source or destination for a command (like tar or sftp or anything). And remember the locations for these two trees (source & destination) independently.
Wondering if anyone has tried this on MacOS and what their thoughts are.
May sound weird, but DC and my DC configurations are one of the few things that have kept me from moving to Mac, since I can't really find a detailed description / review of how well it works on Mac.
I use DC on my Mac, works just as well as on Linux, some of the touchpad gesture sometimes changes the font size and I have to reconfigure it once in a while when I accidentally do them, haven’t figured out a simple way to prevent this from happening.
Have any Forklift users here on MacOS tried Double Commander? A two-panel file manager of some kind is a hugely useful productivity tool, I'm just wondering if there's a reason to switch to this one. If not I'll give it a go when I have some free time.
If anyone on MacOS doesn't have a similar tool already you should definitely grab this. A two-panel file manager that supports bulk renaming is really handy.
I use Forklift. Version 4 just came out this week, with a new quasi-subscription model. Now it's $20/yr, or $35 for 2, but you can keep using the final version that comes out during your subscription period. That's not awful but I'm still disappointed.
My first impression: this is clearly not a "Mac-assed Mac app"[0]. The fonts are weird (but configurable). The keyboard shortcuts are weird (but configurable). The preference pane isn't under the "Double Commander > Settings" menu, but "Configuration > Options", and it doesn't open with "cmd-,", and that doesn't seem to be configurable.
These are not deal breakers. Different doesn't automatically mean bad. In this case, it does mean that you have to learn how to use it from scratch, compared to something like Forklift or Commander One that someone used to Finder can pick up and start using. It also doesn't seem to come with a zillion integrations with cloud services like S3, Box, etc. like the Mac-native options.
These are my first impressions. I've used it for maybe 20 minutes now. That's not a fair shake, and it could be that I'd absolutely love it if I kept at it. Still, it doesn't make me want to keep at it. I could see Double Commander being brilliant if I already used it on Linux and wanted to bring my workflow, settings, plugins, and all that to Mac. I don't think I'd want to start using it here.
Anyone here recall the AMAZING PMV (PathMinder) for dos from back in the day - I have yet to find a better file management tool than PMV was... I could navigate everything via arrows and keyboard - I loved it.
If you're on Mac, you might also want to try Forklift – by coincidence, they just released major version 4 yesterday (for which I was lucky to develop some of UI).
Darn, they pulled a Sublime Text on us. The new annual payment licensing model is unfortunate, I wouldn't have helped with beta testing if I knew this is what they were going to do. It's not really a service and historically they haven't been putting out a stream of useful new features on a regular basis to justify the subscription.
Very cool, will definitely try out this version. Wondering if it's now possible to change the color scheme of the viewer, that'd be nice. (Colors used to be more or less hardwired to black on white, IIRC).
Total Commander is on a whole different level of refinement and optimization.
Double Commander is good, indeed, but has some rough edges.
DC uses some components that are made by different authors and that are not that flexible and users ask for features which are beyond what those components can offer. So this is a dead end since nobody is updating/adapting the components so the features could be implemented.
DC has only two listed active developers, one of which is the author and the other one is new and fixes mostly Mac problems. If someone knows Free Pascal and Lazarus IDE or is interested in contributing, it would be to the benefit of all the users. I imagine it is not a trivial task to keep this program running on Windows/Linux/Mac with only two people.
For Windows, Unreal Commander is also good.
Also Free Commander, but it is the slowest of all the orthodox file managers.
I used to use DOpus as a Workbench (desktop environment) replacement on Commodore Amiga. Probably one of the most powerful and configurable / customizable file managers in existence.
> Double Commander is a free cross platform open source file manager with two panels side by side. It is inspired by Total Commander and features new ideas.
Total Commander was inspired in turn by Norton Commander [1], the colors of which still form an afterimage in my eyes.
Double Commander is amazing and I've been using it daily for years.
The ability to save frequently used (but complex enough to remember) commands as buttons is extremely helpful.
The benefits a GUI brings to the table when it comes to complex file manipulations are undeniable, as long as the tool doesn't stand in your way and, for the most part, Double Commander does not.
Double Commander also comes with Lua scripting which opens a door to even more customized workflows.
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[ 1.3 ms ] story [ 133 ms ] threadThe amount of dedication that was poured into it to make it as close to TotalCommander as possible is nothing sort of amazing.
Even this tool uses recycle bin. It may not have a ctrl-z to undo a delete, but it doesn't permanently delete unless explicitly requested.
Comparing pancakes to file management is an apples to oranges comparison.
(and of course I use recycle bin, it'd be dumb not to)
And, IIRC, both TC + DC support deleting to the recycling bin. I know they do, because it's one of the first options I disable when setting them up on a new computer.
How does undo move you far away from your machine? Any why are you using a GUI tool instead of living in the terminal, terminals are closer to the machine!
[1] https://www-uxsup.csx.cam.ac.uk/misc/horror.txt
The actual URL is https://doublecmd.sourceforge.io/gallery/index.html and the default behaviour is to redirect to index.html if no filename given, but due misconfiguration it requires no referrer on it too.
(there is a gtk variant as well doublecmd-gtk2-1.0.11_1)
It's good but nothing touches Directory Opus for me.
I have seen DOpus mentioned several times over the years. is it keybindings, features, performance?
What is your impression of "Worker"? http://www.boomerangsworld.de/cms/worker/
May sound weird, but DC and my DC configurations are one of the few things that have kept me from moving to Mac, since I can't really find a detailed description / review of how well it works on Mac.
If anyone on MacOS doesn't have a similar tool already you should definitely grab this. A two-panel file manager that supports bulk renaming is really handy.
My first impression: this is clearly not a "Mac-assed Mac app"[0]. The fonts are weird (but configurable). The keyboard shortcuts are weird (but configurable). The preference pane isn't under the "Double Commander > Settings" menu, but "Configuration > Options", and it doesn't open with "cmd-,", and that doesn't seem to be configurable.
These are not deal breakers. Different doesn't automatically mean bad. In this case, it does mean that you have to learn how to use it from scratch, compared to something like Forklift or Commander One that someone used to Finder can pick up and start using. It also doesn't seem to come with a zillion integrations with cloud services like S3, Box, etc. like the Mac-native options.
These are my first impressions. I've used it for maybe 20 minutes now. That's not a fair shake, and it could be that I'd absolutely love it if I kept at it. Still, it doesn't make me want to keep at it. I could see Double Commander being brilliant if I already used it on Linux and wanted to bring my workflow, settings, plugins, and all that to Mac. I don't think I'd want to start using it here.
[0] https://inessential.com/2020/03/19/proxyman
I did just install Double Commander on my Steam Deck, though. It's a vast improvement over Dolphin.
Ill have to try this.
https://binarynights.com/
https://www.cocoatech.io
Double Commander is good, indeed, but has some rough edges.
DC uses some components that are made by different authors and that are not that flexible and users ask for features which are beyond what those components can offer. So this is a dead end since nobody is updating/adapting the components so the features could be implemented.
DC has only two listed active developers, one of which is the author and the other one is new and fixes mostly Mac problems. If someone knows Free Pascal and Lazarus IDE or is interested in contributing, it would be to the benefit of all the users. I imagine it is not a trivial task to keep this program running on Windows/Linux/Mac with only two people.
For Windows, Unreal Commander is also good. Also Free Commander, but it is the slowest of all the orthodox file managers.
I miss it daily on Linux.
[1] https://www.gpsoft.com.au/
For those who want to take TC even further, there is the TCUP project here:
https://tcup.pl/news/
Total Commander was inspired in turn by Norton Commander [1], the colors of which still form an afterimage in my eyes.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norton_Commander
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The ability to save frequently used (but complex enough to remember) commands as buttons is extremely helpful.
The benefits a GUI brings to the table when it comes to complex file manipulations are undeniable, as long as the tool doesn't stand in your way and, for the most part, Double Commander does not.
Double Commander also comes with Lua scripting which opens a door to even more customized workflows.