I don’t see why another culture doing something differently is “absurd”, it’s clear the person understood their criminality and proceeded to harm society and then society held them to account. What is so crazy about that?
The keyword here is "different culture". There is no slippery slope, it is just a (debatable) argument about letting the Japanese do it the Japanese way, even if it seems outrageous to non-Japanese.
Why are you assuming Japanese people want this? This is likely just strict laws to please entertainment lobbyists. The culture in Japan is not even remarkably different from the US.
Legally, the police can shoot you in your sleep in the US. Do we unironically dismiss criticism of this as not understanding American culture?
> Legally, the police can shoot you in your sleep in the US.
Can you be specific which law allows that? Shooting circumstances obviously varies, but which law says you can be shot in your sleep if X, Y, Z happen?
Not remarkably different? It's about as different as it gets if you disregard obvious outliers like north Korea (because they don't have an organic culture, it's forced upon them)
Not really. There are over a hundred countries and most of them are not culturally close to the US. In terms of what is valued in their culture and how they express themselves, we have way more in common with them than most countries. US/Japan relations are actually shockingly strong considering our history, and there's a lot of cross pollination in our zeitgeist.
The point being trying to dismiss blatant corruption from big corporation influence as "the Japanese way" is ridiculous
That anime is popular in the US doesn't really mean that much.
The Japanese are really regimental, focused on obedience to higher-ups and employers, family honor, have a strict framework of written and unwritten rules... That couldn't be more different from the US (and most other western countries in fact).
Personally I really frown on such concepts as I embrace individuality but good to them, I just wouldn't want to live there :P
> That anime is popular in the US doesn't really mean that much.
I mean that's a nice reductive take of what I said
> The Japanese are really regimental, focused on obedience to higher-ups and employers, family honor, have a strict framework of written and unwritten rules... That couldn't be more different from the US (and most other western countries in fact).
What? This is about as true as saying America is sexually repressed or Sweden is a utopian paradise. It's a broad brush that speaks more to what is "taboo" in public relations, but there's a lot of Japanese people who would laugh at the idea that they fit into this box. Individuality is doing fine in Japan.
I don't see how "North Korea" is the only country that is an outlier to you here more extreme than Japan. Obviously India and most middle eastern countries are lightyears more family oriented and strict about obedience than Japan. Most East-Asian countries too.
He was arrested, NOT for the content of his videos or even any type of copyright violation of using someone else's copyrighted material, but for spoilers.
He did monetize videos of visual novels, completely spoiling and showing all the content for free. Kinda pointless to buy it after watching. He also knew it was illegal and the risks he was taking. Unless I’m missing something?
Not sure jail is warranted but I’d be upset if my work was distributed for profit.
Generally speaking, this is a civil matter and not a criminal matter. He was jailed, and arrested because this has recently become a criminal offense.
In most other countries, if they can show that they suffered monetary losses or damages, you could be liable for that - yes.
The slippery slope here is that if US or EU gets wind of this and become "inspired" by this... we could see this becoming a thing in the Western world.
I'm not an author or artist or creator of any kind, but if some guy made a bunch of "plot summary" videos of my work, I'd want him hunted down and sentenced to hard labor.
Not all laws are just, and not all laws are established as the will of society. A lot of laws are the product of lobbies from various industries. This was almost certainly a product of the Japanese entertainment industry, not the broader society. Two years of lost freedom seems draconian, I could see monetary damages as making sense.
Because the extent of "harm [to] society" is mostly propaganda pushed by the entertainment industry (in America too, by the way). In no way is copyright infringement comparable to the vast majority of other things deserving of 2 years in jail.
Different cultures can do things differently, but some things are still universally acceptable and others universally unacceptable. We do not look at Russia "disappearing" controversial political figures and say "well, that's just Russian culture."
This is an effect of Japanese corporations lobbying for copyright legislation, not Japanese "society".
I agree that the word "society" can be used to convey social norms, whether imposed by the general public or a powerful minority, but here it's use is deceptive, because there is a connotation that society at large accepts this application of law as just, and had the practical power to influence copyright law.
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[ 3.1 ms ] story [ 60.9 ms ] threadLegally, the police can shoot you in your sleep in the US. Do we unironically dismiss criticism of this as not understanding American culture?
Can you be specific which law allows that? Shooting circumstances obviously varies, but which law says you can be shot in your sleep if X, Y, Z happen?
The point being trying to dismiss blatant corruption from big corporation influence as "the Japanese way" is ridiculous
The Japanese are really regimental, focused on obedience to higher-ups and employers, family honor, have a strict framework of written and unwritten rules... That couldn't be more different from the US (and most other western countries in fact).
Personally I really frown on such concepts as I embrace individuality but good to them, I just wouldn't want to live there :P
I mean that's a nice reductive take of what I said
> The Japanese are really regimental, focused on obedience to higher-ups and employers, family honor, have a strict framework of written and unwritten rules... That couldn't be more different from the US (and most other western countries in fact).
What? This is about as true as saying America is sexually repressed or Sweden is a utopian paradise. It's a broad brush that speaks more to what is "taboo" in public relations, but there's a lot of Japanese people who would laugh at the idea that they fit into this box. Individuality is doing fine in Japan.
I don't see how "North Korea" is the only country that is an outlier to you here more extreme than Japan. Obviously India and most middle eastern countries are lightyears more family oriented and strict about obedience than Japan. Most East-Asian countries too.
Spoilers.
That's what's crazy about this.
Not sure jail is warranted but I’d be upset if my work was distributed for profit.
In most other countries, if they can show that they suffered monetary losses or damages, you could be liable for that - yes.
The slippery slope here is that if US or EU gets wind of this and become "inspired" by this... we could see this becoming a thing in the Western world.
Different cultures can do things differently, but some things are still universally acceptable and others universally unacceptable. We do not look at Russia "disappearing" controversial political figures and say "well, that's just Russian culture."
I agree that the word "society" can be used to convey social norms, whether imposed by the general public or a powerful minority, but here it's use is deceptive, because there is a connotation that society at large accepts this application of law as just, and had the practical power to influence copyright law.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36016653 - "Japanese police make first YouTuber arrest for uploading video game gameplay"