Ask HN: How do you deal with never ending noise and distraction WFH?

41 points by b20000 ↗ HN
I am a founder working from home on my small business, in an apartment complex in a nice location in CA. Every day there is at least 4 times a garbage pickup, by an extremely loud garbage truck. Then there is the people racing their motorcycles and cars up and down the street, the airbnbs on weekends, stay at home moms/dads or nannies with kids on balconies, the endless moving trucks, amazon/fedex/ups trucks, and so on. Then there is the endless landscaping and street cleaning trucks. Gas powered garden equipment and blowers. Even with the windows closed it is very hard to block out all the noise. How do people who live in tech metros in apartment complexes manage to concentrate on their work on a day to day basis? Love to hear stories and tips and what people have done to improve their productivity even if it means moving somewhere else.

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Well, it sounds like you get about 10 types of distractions. Which is about the same as an open-floorplan office. Some of my coworkers have these cubes-of-silence and you’ll see those in bigger open-floorplans as well.
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You work from home... why not move out of the overcrowded urban hell? You'll probably save some money as a bonus.
Bose headphones
This, plus mynoise.net ambient sounds. Wowza I can really zone out anywhere, even after hours in the living room with my SO watching loud witches/vampires on TV.
Good headphones and LoFi? Starlink + VanLife? Move to the desert where they don't need to run lawnmowers and leaf blowers.
My home office is nearly silent save for when my cat is hungry. Double-paned windows make a huge difference. So does having an office that doesn't face out onto the street.

I'd love to know the opposite - how do people manage to get focused at the office? Offices seem to be full of unavoidable visual and aural distractions.

My open-floorplan office has these cubes that are larger than phone booths, and quiet meeting rooms. I wouldn’t be surprised if occupancy of those is related to higher productivity, but each costs at least $3500.
The cubes have kind of bad vibes, if I'm thinking of the right thing. Feels like I've already breathed all the air in them after 5 minutes.
In my experience north american apartments have terrible noise insulation
I live in a major metro city and wfh. I found an apartment with thick walls in a quiet yet walkable neighborhood. Maybe I was lucky.
I deal with this, have sound sensitivity & ADHD (I cannot tune out sounds). I wear noise protection ear muffs, the kind you use at the range, over some noise cancelling ear buds. Can barely hear anything but the focus music I play.
I live in an apartment in so cal in a pretty expensive suburb. apartments are just miserable places, i dont think there is a way around. Im just looking for a good opportunity to move. idk what else you can do. density sucks, people suck.

I really dont understand what compels people to listen to music constantly on full volume. from their cars and apartments. 7am full volume and bass spanish music? why...

Long term, communalist view: activism to reduce noise pollution for everyone. Leaf blowers, unmuffled engines, car and airplane traffic in general; I am bothered by these things, too, and I'm guessing all this noise we generate bothers other animals as well.

Reducing or even just slowing ship traffic would help cetaceans hunt, communicate, and, presumably, get enough sleep.

Short term, selfish view: double-pane windows, air conditioning since your windows will be closed, wall hangings for soundproofing- make your office a recording studio and that might help.

srs question but were you ever tested for adhd/add?
+1 to this. I have ADHD, and WFH noise was really a problem for me.

At first I partially addressed this with Adderall, which also works at company offices. But at least for me, the side-effects suck.

Now I address it with a well-soundproofed home office, which makes up for the lack of Adderall.

did u give up adderall fully? or taking anything else? asking for a friend ;)
I take Adderall only rarely now.

If I take it on day N, it's pretty well guaranteed that my sleep schedule will be a mess by day N+2. But I've also found that taking Adderall for more than a few days has an ugly effect on my psychologically. So it's kind of a last resort.

In general, my current modus operandi is:

- Try to get good, consistent sleep.

- Non-distracting home office.

- Stimulants that are more gentle than Adderall: Vyvanse + coffee. (And stop taking any stimulants after 2 pm.)

I deal with it by living in an old quiet neighborhood in the suburbs in a small house with a big yard. The only noise here is people mowing their lawns. I lived in the city for over a decade and it made me miserable.
My actual but useless advice: you get used to it.

Open office was a torture at first, but after years of ear abuse some of us build the super power of just ignoring everything happening around and concentrate. A problematic (?) side effect is you also start ignoring people in front of you once you subconsciously categorized them as "noise".

It's kinda like ad banner blindness, but for sound. But it's still exhausting to be honest.

A more decent advice: if you can afford it noise insulate your home (or at least one room) or move to somewhere else. That's the same level of quality of life improvement as choosing a place with cleaner air or good water. The side health benefits are tremendous, cannot be overstated.

I agree that it's exhausting. A slight analogy away, I found that my brain has a lot more computing power after I changed my scratchy old yellowed glasses to new ones. The mental filtering isn't free.
> I found that my brain has a lot more computing power after I changed my scratchy old yellowed glasses to new ones. The mental filtering isn't free.

I go through this daily. If I notice I'm getting a headache-like eye pain, it's sign that my glasses have been slightly smudged for a period of time.

I hate to say it, but without permission to modify your structure, there may not be any great solutions other than moving.

If you're dealing with foot-fall / impact noise from the apartments above, you might benefit from moving to a higher floor.

If it's a really spacious apartment and/or you're not claustrophobic, you could maybe build a room-within-a-room structure. But it's hard to imagine that being a better option than moving.

However, if you can modify, I would experiment with a sound dampening wall:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27837290

FWIW, "soundproofing" projects are notorious for requiring more care than one would think based on initial research.

It's a big topic, but the book "Home Recording Studio: Build It Like the Pros" by Rod Gervais is an excellent starting point.

TL;DR:

Lots of vendors will try to sell you a silver-bullet product, but no such product exists. The reality is you'll probably need to employ multiple techniques, specific to the workspace and your goals.

But if you have the freedom and money to modify your working space, it can be a really fun project. It turned me from a "Let me hire someone." guy into a "Let's redo your basement!" guy. I had a blast.

Also FYI: If you want to outsource this, be aware that your typical home-building contractor might not have the skills or incentives to do the project right. Typical contractors use construction methods optimized for speed and low cost. Soundproofing may require uncommon building methods, and a dedication to iterative measurements and improvements to address sources of unwanted sound.

My distractions at home were not noise related like yours but more from household chores. I'm convert to the philosophy of working near home - in a space dedicated for work. I use either a coffee shop or a co-working space to work in, and that's improved my productivity tremendously.

Cal Newport has written about this very well here https://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/remote-wo...

On the noise front the things that work for me are two-fold:

Noise cancelling headphones/earphones AND white noise (eg RainyMood) or non-lyrical repetitive music with get in flow. I actually play both at the same time normally.

For extreme situations I also wear earplugs under the headphones. But that's pretty rare.

The noise cancelling is important because it lowers the volume at which you can listen to the noise-countering stuff (eg music) which hopefully means less risk to your hearing and longer periods doing so. But note I am not a doctor/sound engineer.

The white noise helps to submerge last remnants of choppy background sound, allowing the music to dominate. Experiment to find a good baseline volume for each.

You will need to pay for the ANC, cheap ones don't work. Bose QC/Sony XM class.

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Having said that, I have a great set up at home but as often as not work in public spaces with a laptop for social rather than noise reasons.

So ask yourself if you absolutely have to work from home all the time, or if you can schedule blocks where you can work remotely, and if so, do so.

Moving is really the only long-term solution in my experience. My experience also cautions me that "there will always be something..."

WFH means that I burn out much faster on the little annoyances around my home. I can only do 2-3 years in the same physical place before I have to think about moving again.

I am hoping this next one might stick longer (i.e. 30 minutes from nearest grocery store).

I hate noise which led me to hate people too thats why I live far from big communites.

Luckily these days you could access from anywhere so move to a hamlet or have a soundproof room

Why don't you put in earplugs? The whole problem with offices for me is its rude to do so. At home no problem. I find if I do it even for a while I feel 'relieved' enough from the sound that I can then happily go back to into the clanking of daytime for a stretch
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Don't try escaping to a suburban neighborhood. I live in the suburbs north of boston and every single day I'm hearing lawn mowers, leaf blowers and "home improvements". I don't know why everybody isn't incensed about the noise. I think your only options are a boat, a penthouse apartment or a cabin in the woods.
cabin in the woods - what is everyone’s favourite wooded state/city/county to escape to and where you could potentially live longer term?
My personal experience as a big-city dweller who has also worked for prolonged stints in suburban and very rural places is that the suburban version of this problem can really be the worst of both worlds.

When I'm vising my parents in the suburbs... its generally quiet, but that one leaf blower 4 doors down or the one garbage truck crawling down the block suddenly becomes the only thing I can focus on. The noises are infrequent and jarring when they occur.

When I'm at home in my city apartment, the background noise is truly constant - it forms a canvas, nothing really jumps out and therefore the level of what it takes to make a distraction is a lot higher.

My practical advice is to explore headphones with passive noise isolation instead of active noise cancelling. The passive isolation is pretty foolproof, even with sudden or extreme changes in background noise content that the active noise cancelling sometimes takes a moment to adjust to (or perhaps try something like working in a coffee shop for an hour to get the other extreme and reset: write emails where distraction is more OK, come home to the relative quiet of the home office for focus time. I've also found even a change of scenery can get me into the zone regardless of what is going on environmentally)

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I’ve found that flow club really helps me working from home. I’m able to meet with other people and work on a todo list with them and enjoy focus oriented music. I think it’s technically a ycombinator company but it’s been amazing for me on getting things done while working from home.
Not all areas are loud like that. Actually I would say most where I have been aren't.

But I often end up wearing earbuds or headphones and listening to music while I work anyway.

White noise from a fan can help with noise. Also good for ventilation.

You can also consider changing your schedule. If you get rotated around to night shift like I am then it's going to be quieter while you are awake.

If it's that bad where you are then you should move. I have moved multiple times. Not because of noise pollution but mainly for things like saving money.

You can also try going to a coffee shop or a library. Or co-working space. Many co-working spaces have actual offices you can rent.

There are also e-ink things like the Remarkable tablet which you can view the screen outside if you really need to escape.

There are also double-pane or windows designed to limit noise pollution.

An area that is more suburban or even rural may be quieter. A lot of places in this part of Texas have apartments that are actual single story and only share one or two walls. They have not been very noisy.

If you are fully remote then you have the option of going to a cabin or RV in the middle of the woods if you want.

If you can afford it, why not take advantage of AirBnb to find a quiet place to work for a few weeks? You could leave tomorrow.

A good pair of noise cancellation headphones (like Bose Quiet Comforts) might help? I WFH and sometimes in the summer I have to deal with gas powered leaf blowers, or someone using a circular saw in their backyard, or a dog being neglected outside and just barking for a few hours. So put the noise cancellation headphones on and it helps.