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Horrendous, but the nice side effect... the more China, Russia, and other totalitarian states double down on these efforts, the easier it is to argue against them in the West.
QRs were an attempt to introduce it. It was simply postponed. Something worse is coming in to the West.

They will eliminate cash and now social system is even worse.

If you feel need to argue you are not winning
If you are winning without arguing you are not in democracy
Cut the bull. The political systems of the West claim to be superior in how we treat our own citizens and it is generally true. There is no need to argue about that between ourselves. As for the world where each country is an individual citizen - it is not a democracy. The only rule is: might is right except when some country might feel that bad PR is not good at this particular moment.

We are however degrading and I care very much about what is happening here right where I live rather than twisting some other country's hands into "democracy" by way of sanctions, bombing etc.

> There is no need to argue about that between ourselves.

I don't know. Speaking strictly objectively: if you look at polls, Putin is extremely popular amongst republican voters.

The West had dealt with, tolerated and admired many dictators and keeps doing it. It does not mean that we import their way of governing. At least not yet.

Russia is a separate subject I think. Putin being bad as he is I think the way situation is turning out could be the biggest US fuck up ever

The US should roll over and allow the largest country and its bully government to occupy more territory instead of helping UA?

But in any case, it's another example, in Russia there was no need to argue about the war because the pro war side (Putin) won by default without even considering what the other side thinks, and it only shows how lost the cause of democracy is there

You think that Russia won the Ukraine war?
No, I write that pro war side in Russia won the argument about whether to go to war using FpUser logic:

> If you feel need to argue you are not winning

Yeah Putin never felt the need to argue about war. Meaning that logic makes absolutely zero sense unless you're a dictator.

You have some pretty wild imagination. Not my logic at all.
If the US was smarter Russia would not be in UA at all.
Maybe if they did the orange revolution or something sure, but you can go down the what if route forever and no one has actual access to alternative histories and whether it would have been worse. But of course you know better.
There’s a chance something like this ends up happening in the West as well. Could be watered down in some way. It only takes a couple more columns in the database of a credit scoring system to start looking at other factors.

These systems being deployed in countries such as China and Russia gives the rest of the world a peek into how it works, and a chance to understand how to best resist totalitarian tendencies. Unfortunately it also gives an opportunity for other governments to learn what works and what doesn’t.

Credit scoring systems are private stuff used by private companies, not run by the government and not used to evaluate anything with regards to the government. There's no way an additional column in a credit scoring DB would forbid you from attending a school, moving to a city, etc.
Let me introduce you to SCHUFA[0], a credit scoring system in Germany. It has livelihood implications that make it very hard to live without a good score. Good luck finding a flat with a bad one.

It doesn't blur the line between private and public but again, it's a slippery slope. The tracking and scoring infrastructure is there, it just takes will to steer it to another direction.

[0]: https://allaboutberlin.com/glossary/Schufa

Meanwhile GB is trying to make e2ee illegal (they stopped for now but were pretty close). Let's not pretend west can't implement social score
Let's not forget about EU's ChatControl. They even chose a dystopian name for it and were completely fine with that...
We're not completely fine with that, it's just that there's literally nothing we can do to stop it as the EU is not a democracy in any real way.
I meant the EU people, not the citizens (which I am too). Autocorrect added the apostrophe.
EU is as democratic as your average EU country.

Or have you skipped voting in the EU elections?

How do EU parliament elections help you choose the EU commission members?

In your average EU country the elected parliament chooses the government. Not in EU.

It functions exactly the same as an average EU country, you vote for a party, which have a vote on accepting or rejecting the proposal for the current proposed government (which is handpicked by political parties).

In the EU it works exactly the same: you vote for a party, which has a vote on accepting or rejecting the proposal for the current proposed commission (where there has to be 1 nominee from each member state and is handpicked by the council of European Union, i.e. your ELECTED state ministers)[1][2].

Can the EU become more democratic? Absolutely, but that will be at the expense of EU member state's sovereignty, which is why it looks like it does right now.

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commission

[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_the_European_Union#...

You have just confirmed my point.

There is no EU country that has a Council like that. Heads of state very often don't represent the majority of a country.

>You have just confirmed my point.

No all you've shown is that you did not read my sources nor my comment.

As is shown by you confusing the Council of European Union and the European Council.

Not only that, but you show no real evidence of knowing even how elections with in EU countries, since EU member states, with the exception of hungary, all have a council deciding who will be a nominee for their version of a commission, the only small difference is that these councils are unofficial in EU member states as it is a matter of political party/coalition concern and not a national concern, as IS the case with the EU.

So if anything EU is more "official" in being a democracy than even member states, when it comes to transparency of deciding the nominees for various positions, something NOT official in average EU member states.

If we're going to whataboutism, at least include credit score as it is a form of social score.
So what is the real totalitarian difference of Zhima from, say, Equifax or Experian?
If the executives at Zhima mess up they will be punished harshly?
I dunno. We have some politicians in the US that appear to be totally enamored with these totalitarian strongmen, and they have very large domestic followings. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see them try to follow their methods.
Д-503, a spacecraft engineer, rated 47-29.

The first figure reflecting social status, and the second – social level, reflecting “merits” and “prospects”, respectively.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_(novel) (1921)

Peter Arbeitsloser, a machine therapist, rated 10.

Levels were initially added as a “gimmick” by the programmers, and quickly came to dominate every aspect of life. His last name was assigned from his father’s job title at the time of conception.

https://qualityland.de/ql1/

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^ For non german speakers, Arbeitsloser ~ jobless person, i.e., someone not employed or working.

Edit: The book is awesome though. Definitely recommended. Marc Uwe Kling also has a great series of works around a kanguru.

“We” system will be useful not only for banks, but also for governors, for whom it will be able to classify citizens according to their usefulness to the state.

When you reach the obsolete status then what? Also this applies to public authorities? https://youtu.be/zGZqnc6_5To?si=BsHSPxDB0-NYp-Rs

> When you reach the obsolete status then what?

You either go to re-education camp or are able to obtain a passport, depending on many factors. However, if you do obtain a passport, then the regime's days are numbered.

This feels just like just another AI history, but I will imagine that is a real history

> When you reach the obsolete status then what?

... Then, cannon meat. The same as currently. Prison holidays program to visit Syria

Russia is actively looking for more soldiers and this system would be very useful in a few years to order the next meat wave (and most of all to justify it to the public eye).

Then the system will meet systemic corruption making it useless. The game will be ringed, and the mobster will buy extra points of honesty for his rapist son, while the teacher and the peasant, unable to pay in dollars, will be sent to a job of testing landmine triggers by a special selector robot.

Russian people are being pressure-cooked very slowly but surely until they realize, too late, that they will not be spared. Not even with their decent, but not exceptional social score. The new national animal of Russia is not the bear anymore, is the boiled frog

In any case, the history seems (very) fake

What makes you think that the game is not currently riged? The country is led by a Chekist junta. They throw economic migrans from the former USSR states and other non-ethnic Russians in prison for whatever motives, then they send them to Ukraine to be "pardoned". This social score is just an attempt to copy China and to rig the game even more. Except Russia is not China, a country of 1.4bn people and 10x Russia's GDP.
I suspect the article was written by AI:

>Of course, the platform represents an interesting experiment that can lead to new approaches to assessing the social status and standard of living of citizens. However, it is necessary to ensure transparency, data protection and a balance between individual rights and state interests

These rumors are also circulating in Russia: https://habr-com.translate.goog/ru/news/765866/?_x_tr_sl=aut...

Here's what AI can do with this article: https://www.phind.com/search?cache=o2wo1bog0dfjwj49vwhhgqgv

However, I wouldn't be surprised if this development is true, given that Russia is currently a totalitarian state. It is one of three countries that kills North Koreans who flee their country (along with North Korea itself and China), kills Ukrainians and its own citizens. Russia enforces totalitarian laws against any spoken or written words that criticize the government.

>It is one of three countries that kills North Koreans who flee their country

Source? I only heard about sending them back.

Which amounts too...
I hope whoever came up with the name was in on the joke.
"Finnerty, Edward Francis Finnerty, Ph.D., one-time EC-002."

"There's a collector's item - a double-o-two number!" said Lasher. "I've known several single-o men, but never a double-o. I guess you're the highest classification I ever had friendly words with. If the Pope set up shop in this country, he'd be only one notch up - in the R-numbers of course. He'd be an R-001. I heard somewhere that the number was being held for him, over the objections of Episcopal bishops who want R-001 themselves. Delicate business.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_Piano_(novel)