Horrendous, but the nice side effect... the more China, Russia, and other totalitarian states double down on these efforts, the easier it is to argue against them in the West.
Cut the bull. The political systems of the West claim to be superior in how we treat our own citizens and it is generally true. There is no need to argue about that between ourselves. As for the world where each country is an individual citizen - it is not a democracy. The only rule is: might is right except when some country might feel that bad PR is not good at this particular moment.
We are however degrading and I care very much about what is happening here right where I live rather than twisting some other country's hands into "democracy" by way of sanctions, bombing etc.
The West had dealt with, tolerated and admired many dictators and keeps doing it. It does not mean that we import their way of governing. At least not yet.
Russia is a separate subject I think. Putin being bad as he is I think the way situation is turning out could be the biggest US fuck up ever
The US should roll over and allow the largest country and its bully government to occupy more territory instead of helping UA?
But in any case, it's another example, in Russia there was no need to argue about the war because the pro war side (Putin) won by default without even considering what the other side thinks, and it only shows how lost the cause of democracy is there
Maybe if they did the orange revolution or something sure, but you can go down the what if route forever and no one has actual access to alternative histories and whether it would have been worse. But of course you know better.
There’s a chance something like this ends up happening in the West as well. Could be watered down in some way. It only takes a couple more columns in the database of a credit scoring system to start looking at other factors.
These systems being deployed in countries such as China and Russia gives the rest of the world a peek into how it works, and a chance to understand how to best resist totalitarian tendencies. Unfortunately it also gives an opportunity for other governments to learn what works and what doesn’t.
Credit scoring systems are private stuff used by private companies, not run by the government and not used to evaluate anything with regards to the government. There's no way an additional column in a credit scoring DB would forbid you from attending a school, moving to a city, etc.
Let me introduce you to SCHUFA[0], a credit scoring system in Germany. It has livelihood implications that make it very hard to live without a good score.
Good luck finding a flat with a bad one.
It doesn't blur the line between private and public but again, it's a slippery slope. The tracking and scoring infrastructure is there, it just takes will to steer it to another direction.
It functions exactly the same as an average EU country, you vote for a party, which have a vote on accepting or rejecting the proposal for the current proposed government (which is handpicked by political parties).
In the EU it works exactly the same:
you vote for a party, which has a vote on accepting or rejecting the proposal for the current proposed commission (where there has to be 1 nominee from each member state and is handpicked by the council of European Union, i.e. your ELECTED state ministers)[1][2].
Can the EU become more democratic? Absolutely, but that will be at the expense of EU member state's sovereignty, which is why it looks like it does right now.
No all you've shown is that you did not read my sources nor my comment.
As is shown by you confusing the Council of European Union and the European Council.
Not only that, but you show no real evidence of knowing even how elections with in EU countries, since EU member states, with the exception of hungary, all have a council deciding who will be a nominee for their version of a commission, the only small difference is that these councils are unofficial in EU member states as it is a matter of political party/coalition concern and not a national concern, as IS the case with the EU.
So if anything EU is more "official" in being a democracy than even member states, when it comes to transparency of deciding the nominees for various positions, something NOT official in average EU member states.
I dunno. We have some politicians in the US that appear to be totally enamored with these totalitarian strongmen, and they have very large domestic followings. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see them try to follow their methods.
Peter Arbeitsloser, a machine therapist, rated 10.
Levels were initially added as a “gimmick” by the programmers, and quickly came to dominate every aspect of life. His last name was assigned from his father’s job title at the time of conception.
“We” system will be useful not only for banks, but also for governors, for whom it will be able to classify citizens according to their usefulness to the state.
You either go to re-education camp or are able to obtain a passport, depending on many factors. However, if you do obtain a passport, then the regime's days are numbered.
This feels just like just another AI history, but I will imagine that is a real history
> When you reach the obsolete status then what?
... Then, cannon meat. The same as currently. Prison holidays program to visit Syria
Russia is actively looking for more soldiers and this system would be very useful in a few years to order the next meat wave (and most of all to justify it to the public eye).
Then the system will meet systemic corruption making it useless. The game will be ringed, and the mobster will buy extra points of honesty for his rapist son, while the teacher and the peasant, unable to pay in dollars, will be sent to a job of testing landmine triggers by a special selector robot.
Russian people are being pressure-cooked very slowly but surely until they realize, too late, that they will not be spared. Not even with their decent, but not exceptional social score. The new national animal of Russia is not the bear anymore, is the boiled frog
What makes you think that the game is not currently riged? The country is led by a Chekist junta. They throw economic migrans from the former USSR states and other non-ethnic Russians in prison for whatever motives, then they send them to Ukraine to be "pardoned". This social score is just an attempt to copy China and to rig the game even more. Except Russia is not China, a country of 1.4bn people and 10x Russia's GDP.
>Of course, the platform represents an interesting experiment that can lead to new approaches to assessing the social status and standard of living of citizens. However, it is necessary to ensure transparency, data protection and a balance between individual rights and state interests
However, I wouldn't be surprised if this development is true, given that Russia is currently a totalitarian state. It is one of three countries that kills North Koreans who flee their country (along with North Korea itself and China), kills Ukrainians and its own citizens. Russia enforces totalitarian laws against any spoken or written words that criticize the government.
"Finnerty, Edward Francis Finnerty, Ph.D., one-time EC-002."
"There's a collector's item - a double-o-two number!" said Lasher. "I've known several single-o men, but never a double-o. I guess you're the highest classification I ever had friendly words with. If the Pope set up shop in this country, he'd be only one notch up - in the R-numbers of course. He'd be an R-001. I heard somewhere that the number was being held for him, over the objections of Episcopal bishops who want R-001 themselves. Delicate business.
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[ 3.0 ms ] story [ 93.0 ms ] threadThey will eliminate cash and now social system is even worse.
We are however degrading and I care very much about what is happening here right where I live rather than twisting some other country's hands into "democracy" by way of sanctions, bombing etc.
I don't know. Speaking strictly objectively: if you look at polls, Putin is extremely popular amongst republican voters.
Russia is a separate subject I think. Putin being bad as he is I think the way situation is turning out could be the biggest US fuck up ever
But in any case, it's another example, in Russia there was no need to argue about the war because the pro war side (Putin) won by default without even considering what the other side thinks, and it only shows how lost the cause of democracy is there
> If you feel need to argue you are not winning
Yeah Putin never felt the need to argue about war. Meaning that logic makes absolutely zero sense unless you're a dictator.
These systems being deployed in countries such as China and Russia gives the rest of the world a peek into how it works, and a chance to understand how to best resist totalitarian tendencies. Unfortunately it also gives an opportunity for other governments to learn what works and what doesn’t.
It doesn't blur the line between private and public but again, it's a slippery slope. The tracking and scoring infrastructure is there, it just takes will to steer it to another direction.
[0]: https://allaboutberlin.com/glossary/Schufa
Or have you skipped voting in the EU elections?
In your average EU country the elected parliament chooses the government. Not in EU.
In the EU it works exactly the same: you vote for a party, which has a vote on accepting or rejecting the proposal for the current proposed commission (where there has to be 1 nominee from each member state and is handpicked by the council of European Union, i.e. your ELECTED state ministers)[1][2].
Can the EU become more democratic? Absolutely, but that will be at the expense of EU member state's sovereignty, which is why it looks like it does right now.
[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commission
[2]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_the_European_Union#...
There is no EU country that has a Council like that. Heads of state very often don't represent the majority of a country.
No all you've shown is that you did not read my sources nor my comment.
As is shown by you confusing the Council of European Union and the European Council.
Not only that, but you show no real evidence of knowing even how elections with in EU countries, since EU member states, with the exception of hungary, all have a council deciding who will be a nominee for their version of a commission, the only small difference is that these councils are unofficial in EU member states as it is a matter of political party/coalition concern and not a national concern, as IS the case with the EU.
So if anything EU is more "official" in being a democracy than even member states, when it comes to transparency of deciding the nominees for various positions, something NOT official in average EU member states.
The first figure reflecting social status, and the second – social level, reflecting “merits” and “prospects”, respectively.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_(novel) (1921)
Levels were initially added as a “gimmick” by the programmers, and quickly came to dominate every aspect of life. His last name was assigned from his father’s job title at the time of conception.
https://qualityland.de/ql1/
Edit: The book is awesome though. Definitely recommended. Marc Uwe Kling also has a great series of works around a kanguru.
When you reach the obsolete status then what? Also this applies to public authorities? https://youtu.be/zGZqnc6_5To?si=BsHSPxDB0-NYp-Rs
You either go to re-education camp or are able to obtain a passport, depending on many factors. However, if you do obtain a passport, then the regime's days are numbered.
> When you reach the obsolete status then what?
... Then, cannon meat. The same as currently. Prison holidays program to visit Syria
Russia is actively looking for more soldiers and this system would be very useful in a few years to order the next meat wave (and most of all to justify it to the public eye).
Then the system will meet systemic corruption making it useless. The game will be ringed, and the mobster will buy extra points of honesty for his rapist son, while the teacher and the peasant, unable to pay in dollars, will be sent to a job of testing landmine triggers by a special selector robot.
Russian people are being pressure-cooked very slowly but surely until they realize, too late, that they will not be spared. Not even with their decent, but not exceptional social score. The new national animal of Russia is not the bear anymore, is the boiled frog
In any case, the history seems (very) fake
>Of course, the platform represents an interesting experiment that can lead to new approaches to assessing the social status and standard of living of citizens. However, it is necessary to ensure transparency, data protection and a balance between individual rights and state interests
Here's what AI can do with this article: https://www.phind.com/search?cache=o2wo1bog0dfjwj49vwhhgqgv
However, I wouldn't be surprised if this development is true, given that Russia is currently a totalitarian state. It is one of three countries that kills North Koreans who flee their country (along with North Korea itself and China), kills Ukrainians and its own citizens. Russia enforces totalitarian laws against any spoken or written words that criticize the government.
Source? I only heard about sending them back.
"There's a collector's item - a double-o-two number!" said Lasher. "I've known several single-o men, but never a double-o. I guess you're the highest classification I ever had friendly words with. If the Pope set up shop in this country, he'd be only one notch up - in the R-numbers of course. He'd be an R-001. I heard somewhere that the number was being held for him, over the objections of Episcopal bishops who want R-001 themselves. Delicate business.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Player_Piano_(novel)