If they're delivering a single unit from the factory to your door with a round trip that's a pretty reasonable price regardless how silly the product may be.
The median population center of America is around Indiana, so the average delivery charge will be ~3k. The total delivered cost with tax will be about 30k.
Also, there is a threat of municipalities, including states, suing the manufacturer for selling manufactured homes that aren't up to code. While the cases may lack standing or merit, they have lawyers who can make it very expensive to stay in business regardless.
Not to mention: where are you going to put it? People who can't afford a house also often can't afford land, and you can't generally finance a land purchase with a mortgage, either (especially if you're dropping something like a Jupe there instead of planning to build a stick-built house).
Land in the US is _cheap_. You can easily buy a hectare of land in the middle of nowhere for $10k. If you want something more interesting, with your own water source and maybe some trees, you're looking for $20k for a 0.5 hectare lot.
I assume that if you're talking about living "off-grid", then you're prepared to either work remotely, have another residence, or another source of income.
Pretty much all of the US is a potential hazard zone. You have earthquake danger on the West coast, tornadoes on the Great Plains, floods and hurricanes on the East coast, and so on. You deal with that by buying insurance.
> Furthermore, being 10+ miles from a serious hospital is a threat to life.
Again, you can buy air ambulance insurance. It's pretty popular in Alaska, and is fairly cheap (around $100 a year for the family of 4).
I am planning to build an off-the grid house, and it's surprisingly doable.
It's not that it's a "hazard zone", it's that cheap land is bottom of the barrel.
I looked at a lot of these properties. The land is poorly graded, the drainage and soil quality is poor (Will fail a perc test), roads are terrible and wash out, and rural communities often lack basic services. I'm not talking entertainment, I mean your nearest grocery store is a Chevron Gas Station 30 miles away.
A lot more engineering and planning goes into making land livable than simply plopping a house on it and calling it a day.
Nope. You can buy perfectly good land suitable for habitation for about the same money. I have bought a 100 acre lot with a freaking stream, lake, and a small forest for about $180k. There's even a gravel road to the nearest highway, and it's just 40 minutes away from a fairly large settlement and 2 hours away from a major city.
This is just insane that people keep buying overpriced condos for $2 million apiece in cities, when they can have their own private park.
Methinks the kind of financial 'sophistication' which systemically leads to $2 million dollar luxury apartments does not foster the type of person who wants to deal with paying a manager to manage the staff to maintain a personal estate. Yes, I'm kidding, as they certainly wouldn't do these things themselves. Something something about the 'Apollonian' and the 'Mercurial'.
I guess? Most of these things are not really major issues for Appalachia. Anyone who has lived there will tell you that. It’s an order of magnitude lower than Florida or California or Tornado Alley.
Mostly yes, but what you can put on the land will vary by state/county. It's easy enough to call up a county office ahead of time and tell them what you plan to do. They are usually happy and accommodating to take in new property taxes. Taxes are not too bad if not building a permanent structure. Some counties have rules about things like mobile homes, water tanks, septic requirements and some of them have ways to get around the rules. Some places have next to no rules and are happy to get more people spending money at the local businesses. There isn't really a generic answer to your question. That's how much it varies by location.
Indeed, very true. I am fortunate to have been able to teach myself web development from cafes & libraries while sleeping in a tent (cumulatively, for about 1.5 years).
Now in my mid-30's I have about $60k to my name. It'll whittle down to $50k in about 6 months ($2k/mo burn rate for rent + expenses). I have faith that I will land consulting clients or a full time job by then, and can continue saving up to $100k - $150k to buy with as much cash as possible (I hate debt).
I am looking into buying cheap property, simply to camp on it & store my stuff in a shipping container.
Looking forward to falling asleep to the sounds of bugs & nature, and waking up to birds visiting my tent and chirping at me. And at long last, I won't get kicked off private/public property.
That's the easier part: a hole in the ground, possibly with a "thunder box" open air wooden box to sit on with a toilet seat, or an "outhouse" enclosure.
Water to wash with can be the harder part. Though having a dryish cabin, there's some convenient USB chargeable pumps that fit on a 5gal jug and little submersible USB chargeable pumps that get you a poorly pressurized shower nowadays from a big pot (which can be warmed on a woodstove, or sous vide thingy).
What do you do when you are done glamping? Do they come pack it up?
This seems to be "optimized" for remote sites, where frankly you shouldn't leave anything worth $25k if you want it to be in one piece when you get back. 100% it will be occupied by animals or crackheads in a week.
Although not homeless per se, I lived in a 80's VW Westfalia along the curbs of Silicon Valley for 9 years without A/C. It had a solar panel and I didn't have to buy anything except to keep fragile West German engineering going. The problem is most Americans aren't willing or able to exchange space and comforts, voluntarily or involuntarily, for alternative approaches. Compounding this is most Americans don't have any savings at all and are living paycheck-to-paycheck. If they had funds then they would have an opportunity to use their imagination and lives differently, but too many are on the debt, expenses, and insufficient wages treadmills that may seem all but impossible to escape.
California in the 80s without A/C is not the climate most people live in. Where I live, if your home doesn't have A/C or some kind of cooling system, you can die inside your home in the summer.
Having done the off-grid thing, shelter and power are easy - sanitation and plumbing is where it all turns into an almighty pain in the ass - and having neither sanitation nor plumbing this isn’t a “complete” solution unless part of your camping plan is “having violent diarrhoea in the bushes”.
You’d actually be amazed at what you can ram into less than a cubic meter. I’m working on a horse box conversion at the moment, and am using a cisternless toilet and a detachable worm tank to have a mobile toilet - drinking water and shower/basin water is trivial with cartridge filters, a pump, and RO. Shower is outdoor, heated, rainfall. Basin is for washing dishes and food, also outdoor. Total cost under €1,000 for a full sanitary suite. Grey water just goes on the ground, or into a tub for further use if desired, black water is stored for discharge - although the volume ends up very low due to the worm tank and waste separation.
Very solvable problems that they seem to have entirely ignored.
Sewage is easy. Just go in the middle of nowhere, dig a hole and off you go. Heck in an emergency any place on the ground will do. Where do you think animals in the wild shit?
And yes I've had to do violent diarrhea in the middle of nowhere. TP is all you need.
When you have a lot of people in an area, you start running out of places to dig a hole and shit in it pretty quickly. You'll be surprised how often you'll start digging and find someone else's shit, which I can't imagine you'd be excited about.
As a currently homeless, disabled person living in a 2001 Dodge Grand Caravan, yes, I wonder who has that kind of money. And you know what else I see all over the deserts and national parks I now call home? Starlink. Everyone has StarlinK. That is expensive enough, but the rigs they sit on top of are huge and money as well.
I am all good with my situation, but I know many people who have it worse than me with not even a car to live in, so when I see opulence like this for the novelty of it I wonder where human compassion has gone.
And to make like these things are doing anything for the environment is just green washing. I have solar power that cost me $700 in total that powers everything I need. My sleeping bag is my heater and my reflective tarps are my AC. I am sure my carbon foot print in minuscule compare to anyone who could afford a Jupe.
Plenty of people have that kind of money, and most of them are dumb & lazy enough to buy a product like this.
As someone who spent 5 years in a similar situation to you, what I am about to say isn't malicious; it is reality from my experience and is the key to solving the issue for yourself.
They do not care about you and never will.
I am leaving this country that I served in a war for because they do not care and they never will. I am homeless and I have money; plenty to live like people do here. I don't because it is disgusting. I don't because I am not funding people's lifestyle where they buy nonsense like this while people rot and starve.
So I am going somewhere else where people haven't lost touch with reality like they have here. I would recommend any sane people do the same ASAP because no one here is going to change. It is the better option than being angry all the time and living in their dystopia.
Some of us are first-generation immigrants to the US who already speak two languages. You're right, though: it's arrogant to expect another country to adapt to USAmericans. I wish this country took better care of its people.
Just know that while they do not care, plenty of others do. Don't lose your faith in humanity or life, just don't expect people that "have plenty" to suddenly gain a conscience. What we lack in materialism we gain in spirit. They do not hold the keys to our happiness, we do. We need nothing from such a heartless and rotting collective of people. Make community with people that do see you and how you live, and authentically care and connect. Build from that foundation and it will have significantly better outcomes.
We do not need to and cannot change what they've built. But what is built is rife with cracks and canyons, and they do not have the legs to carry themselves into those depths.
>I am leaving this country that I served in a war...
Thanks for your service. I served as well and made the jump to a new country as well. My mental health has improved greatly. I hope you find some sanity as well.
The government has that kind of money, because they can just take yours. Also trust fund kids (and they lack the awareness of growing up reasonable that would let them figure out this is stupid, so they must be the primary market here).
Disagree with your uncharitable description of how taxes work, but agree that they seem to primarily be aiming at either rich kids going camping, or at governments who need to shelter a lot of people fast due to natural disasters.
You know what's missing, though? Any sort of toilet facility. The pretty picture of emergency relief in an urban center doesn't show any hygiene facilities at all.
It's not an uncharitable description of how taxes work, it's an accurate description of how stuff like this gets funded by government. somebody in government somewhere will fail to do any of the cost containment/search for alternatives you or I would do if we were spending our own money and they will put in an order for this, which will increase the deficit, which will eventually increase taxes. They don't have anywhere near as strong an incentive to contain costs/search for alternatives that we do because it's not their money or their problem (until they manage things so poorly that they cause a currency crisis).
Not that I am rooting for this product, but... "For a Linux user, you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by getting an FTP account, mounting it locally with curlftpfs, and then using SVN or CVS on the mounted filesystem."
That clip is about an unrelated product called Joop. It’s also from a podcast and not his late night talk show (which is what most people are more familiar with).
This is quite literally one of the dumbest things I have ever seen. Can’t even claim “weather-proof”, which is the first step to making this worth anywhere near the $25k price tag.
That's not a shelter, that's highest-end "glamping"! For a minute there I thought this might be an upgrade from a hexayurt, itself already a remarkably luxurious camping shelter - but no, this serves a completely different clientele.
Yes, there's a range of options. Some will drive your RV in and out, and set up / break down your amenities there. Others will offer full catering and transportation via plane. Generally the phenomenon is known as "plug n play" and the org has started cracking down on it harder.
I met someone working as a caterer in such a camp in '22. Elon Musk was staying there. Stevie Nicks too. IIRC the camp was at 8:00 & F, the one with the mega-hexa-yurts behind the walls of shipping containers. Obviously I wasn't inside, I met them when they were off shift.
How do these withstand strong winds? How are they secured to the ground? Where I live we've had 21 of the last 30 days with a gust over 50km/h, with one day gusting 113km/h.
Unless the structure is _very well_ secured to the ground, the fabric material looks like a rather inviting windsail, and the supporting structure doesn't seem to inspire confidence either. My immediate thought is that these very much look "designed for where it's 72°F and Sunny", and don't reflect real-world post-disaster conditions.
> 170,000+ people have indicated interest by reserving a Casita on our website, representing over $10bn in potential revenue if they each purchased a Casita. Reservations do not require purchase of a Casita and there is no assurance of how many will result in actual purchases.
That’s gotta be hugely inflated. If they required any sort of down payment, then I’d believe the number is close, but this one required nothing.
The director's bio describes him as a "serial entrepreneur," which doesn't inspire confidence. Nor does the project being based out Las Vegas (which I say as a Vegas resident... this town is full of get-rich-quick grifters :P)
You can buy a 17 foot travel trailer for less than $15k and it includes a toilet, shower and cooking facilities. Harder to ship in bulk but I bet you can get it delivered anywhere in the continental USA for less than the $2.50/mile Jupe is charging.
That's immediately what I thought. Plus, there is no absolutely no way this will withstand a 70 mph windstorm while you can fold a travel trailer down in a reasonable amount of time. It's not a secure, real, permanent shelter that conforms to building codes: it's an illusionary shortcut.
A few years ago I considered putting together an 'off grid kit' for people looking to buy themselves some time in nature to get away from the grind. I thought through heating, cooling, water, food and toilet options, as well as help locating land to set up on. I considered a range of shelters, from a rugged tent to a larger, stronger structure. I also wanted to include a 1-year subscription to an emergency satellite beacon. I actually wanted the whole setup to be able to last someone a year, or longer after re-upping basic supplies.
The plan was to make it as affordable as possible.
The conclusion I eventually came to was that to get to a remotely reasonable price point (around $10k at the time), anyone motivated enough to pursue this would probably find better solutions on the market-- like your example of a travel trailer.
Whatever these guys are doing is nowhere near that and not what the headline made me think of. It's definitely not going to help anyone who doesn't already have tons of other options.
I think most people who want to spend a year off-grid are the sort who already have some expertise in this, and would prefer to do their own shopping & research, and would not trust a one-size-fits-all solution.
The exception is the people who want to do that, and don't know anything about it, and would pay $10k for such a thing, set it up in the woods, and get eaten by a bear, fall down a ravine, or eat some poisonous flora on their third night.
There are certainly many scenarios where it could go hilariously(?) wrong.
I think you're right that it requires a certain amount of intense interest and preparation, and that people who are up for it will likely prefer a personalized solution over a pre-designed kit.
Perhaps it could still be viable as a service, where you help aspiring off gridders avoid common mistakes? Probably a tough sell regardless, but I wouldn't rule it out. I continue to be enthusiastic about the general idea.
Good to know there are products targeted at exclusively the ultra wealthy. Was worried that with all of the calls for them to pay their fair share of taxes that the markets for them would dry up. /s
Man, for a company that is passionate about space stuff, they sure don't seem to care at all about experiencing the night sky. tent made out of glow tubes? madness
Watch the Jupe + YC CEOs video on the site and tell me it’s not a parody. Dude dressed like a guru talking about a glamping tent like it’s as ground breaking as a Tesla and will solve world housing. Wild.
> There are already better "hexayurt" designs for BM better-designed to block/reflect all sunlight, made with foilized foam boards.
Have you ever actually occupied a hexayurt throughout a full summer day at burning man?
My limited experience was that the typical one as executed @BM is just a dark, sweaty, oven. Excellent insulation by itself is a trap. Once you insulate a space with polyiso, you need good ventilation and heat removal. It's not really a good match for something so ad-hoc.
Negative, but they appear popular. My guess is that they buy you a few extra hours of coolness in the morning if you open/close openings at the right time. Obvs you don't want to be in a hermetically sealed box ever.
A hexayurt with a standard window air conditioner powered by a generator is glorious. Ours was tall enough to stand in and also had designer wallpaper. A 12V-powered filtered ventilation system meant the AC didn't need to be turned on until close to noon.
Risking sounding like Mr. Wonderful: I can't tell if it's aspirational, pre-product marketing or a parody. If it wasn't a joke, then they've just reinvented the travel trailer without the convenience or the trailer. My conclusion then is that it's an elaborate trolling.
You took the words from my mouth :) Selling tents to clueless SV customers with disposable cash, with a not-so-veiled promise they can rent them out on Airbnb.
It's the lime scooters of "housing": no permits, no safety, lawless, convenient, short-sighted.
The guru guy, and his tasteless leveraging of someone's personal tragedy to his own grift is incredibly out of touch – provided even that is not made up.
The number of times they referred to the “experience” as “crazy” or “insane”. The interviewer chucking in dundrearyisms (OK, maybe just situational code-switching) like “crib” and “right on, right on”, and “mama taught me right”.
Parody of summat, but I’m afeared of what. Something from an AI marketing department this way comes.
Does this work where a website writes its own press releases, then the lazy press publish it, then the website includes what is effectively their own writing on their website as if they're quotes from the press?
Evidently yes. Typically referred to as "stenography" in journalism. Rampant especially when it comes to regurgitating police reports uncritically and verbatim.
Before I watched the video, I thought this was going to be a non-profit (or a b-corp) trying to make high quality/ low cost tents to house the many refugees around the word. I clicked on the link thinking - what a great cause.... I only made it about one minute into the video. When I skipped forward and saw all the electronics under the "doug fir" panel, I was super confused. Why do they need all that tech? Do random people really need lights/ solar in your perma-tent? The people I know who are interested in something like this just end up building a platform on their land and either setting up a canvas tent, or just hiking in with their own.
It's amazing how many things use lighting as a selling point. It's a cool effect if you're into Burning Man inspired aesthetics... But I'd rather just have an LED lantern and a headlight
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You’ll overspend by $30K.
Also, there is a threat of municipalities, including states, suing the manufacturer for selling manufactured homes that aren't up to code. While the cases may lack standing or merit, they have lawyers who can make it very expensive to stay in business regardless.
(Not so cheap after solar, remodeling, restoration, and engine swap.)
Throw together a control system for solar panels, plus the solar panels to feed the batteries for under $1k
And toss a canvas tent over it.
Looking at $7-10k total, for your entire comfy off grid tent living system. Potentially includes a decent size Yurt at that price.
Some system designs are available here: https://www.mobile-solarpower.com/ Kudos to Will Prowse for freely sharing his content.
...meanwhile, the most basic Jupe setup is $25k, not including tax: https://www.jupe.com/build
Yowza. As a formerly homeless person, I often wonder "Who has that kind of money?"
Also, much of the land isn't exactly ideal due to hazards.[0]
Furthermore, being 10+ miles from a serious hospital is a threat to life.
0. https://hazards.fema.gov/nri/map
Pretty much all of the US is a potential hazard zone. You have earthquake danger on the West coast, tornadoes on the Great Plains, floods and hurricanes on the East coast, and so on. You deal with that by buying insurance.
> Furthermore, being 10+ miles from a serious hospital is a threat to life.
Again, you can buy air ambulance insurance. It's pretty popular in Alaska, and is fairly cheap (around $100 a year for the family of 4).
I am planning to build an off-the grid house, and it's surprisingly doable.
I looked at a lot of these properties. The land is poorly graded, the drainage and soil quality is poor (Will fail a perc test), roads are terrible and wash out, and rural communities often lack basic services. I'm not talking entertainment, I mean your nearest grocery store is a Chevron Gas Station 30 miles away.
A lot more engineering and planning goes into making land livable than simply plopping a house on it and calling it a day.
This is just insane that people keep buying overpriced condos for $2 million apiece in cities, when they can have their own private park.
There is not a place on earth that has no risk of natural disasters.
(honest question)
The second point on this page is "Ready to rent in hours". So I think you're right.
Now in my mid-30's I have about $60k to my name. It'll whittle down to $50k in about 6 months ($2k/mo burn rate for rent + expenses). I have faith that I will land consulting clients or a full time job by then, and can continue saving up to $100k - $150k to buy with as much cash as possible (I hate debt).
I am looking into buying cheap property, simply to camp on it & store my stuff in a shipping container.
Looking forward to falling asleep to the sounds of bugs & nature, and waking up to birds visiting my tent and chirping at me. And at long last, I won't get kicked off private/public property.
Water to wash with can be the harder part. Though having a dryish cabin, there's some convenient USB chargeable pumps that fit on a 5gal jug and little submersible USB chargeable pumps that get you a poorly pressurized shower nowadays from a big pot (which can be warmed on a woodstove, or sous vide thingy).
This seems to be "optimized" for remote sites, where frankly you shouldn't leave anything worth $25k if you want it to be in one piece when you get back. 100% it will be occupied by animals or crackheads in a week.
They're called shelters, but the bottom half of the page is all pictures of people using them for camping.
You’d actually be amazed at what you can ram into less than a cubic meter. I’m working on a horse box conversion at the moment, and am using a cisternless toilet and a detachable worm tank to have a mobile toilet - drinking water and shower/basin water is trivial with cartridge filters, a pump, and RO. Shower is outdoor, heated, rainfall. Basin is for washing dishes and food, also outdoor. Total cost under €1,000 for a full sanitary suite. Grey water just goes on the ground, or into a tub for further use if desired, black water is stored for discharge - although the volume ends up very low due to the worm tank and waste separation.
Very solvable problems that they seem to have entirely ignored.
And yes I've had to do violent diarrhea in the middle of nowhere. TP is all you need.
When you have a lot of people in an area, you start running out of places to dig a hole and shit in it pretty quickly. You'll be surprised how often you'll start digging and find someone else's shit, which I can't imagine you'd be excited about.
I am all good with my situation, but I know many people who have it worse than me with not even a car to live in, so when I see opulence like this for the novelty of it I wonder where human compassion has gone.
And to make like these things are doing anything for the environment is just green washing. I have solar power that cost me $700 in total that powers everything I need. My sleeping bag is my heater and my reflective tarps are my AC. I am sure my carbon foot print in minuscule compare to anyone who could afford a Jupe.
As someone who spent 5 years in a similar situation to you, what I am about to say isn't malicious; it is reality from my experience and is the key to solving the issue for yourself.
They do not care about you and never will.
I am leaving this country that I served in a war for because they do not care and they never will. I am homeless and I have money; plenty to live like people do here. I don't because it is disgusting. I don't because I am not funding people's lifestyle where they buy nonsense like this while people rot and starve.
So I am going somewhere else where people haven't lost touch with reality like they have here. I would recommend any sane people do the same ASAP because no one here is going to change. It is the better option than being angry all the time and living in their dystopia.
What kind of place is that? I've been to many places around the world and around North America and they're all functionally similar, if zooming out.
I agree and I know. Thank you fro an honesty many more people need to hear.
We do not need to and cannot change what they've built. But what is built is rife with cracks and canyons, and they do not have the legs to carry themselves into those depths.
Thanks for your service. I served as well and made the jump to a new country as well. My mental health has improved greatly. I hope you find some sanity as well.
Critical Ignoring, engaged.
You know what's missing, though? Any sort of toilet facility. The pretty picture of emergency relief in an urban center doesn't show any hygiene facilities at all.
https://youtu.be/3LCa_r1gbDA?si=3wDtBONOrGpdW68S
The walls look like they’d be good down to -20°C with the heat blasting.
I met someone working as a caterer in such a camp in '22. Elon Musk was staying there. Stevie Nicks too. IIRC the camp was at 8:00 & F, the one with the mega-hexa-yurts behind the walls of shipping containers. Obviously I wasn't inside, I met them when they were off shift.
Unless the structure is _very well_ secured to the ground, the fabric material looks like a rather inviting windsail, and the supporting structure doesn't seem to inspire confidence either. My immediate thought is that these very much look "designed for where it's 72°F and Sunny", and don't reflect real-world post-disaster conditions.
(Boxabls are more expensive and have plumbing and expect to be hooked up to grid power and other utilities.)
I think cheap, tiny dwellings are going to be a huge market. Not sure if something without a toilet qualifies, however.
> 170,000+ people have indicated interest by reserving a Casita on our website, representing over $10bn in potential revenue if they each purchased a Casita. Reservations do not require purchase of a Casita and there is no assurance of how many will result in actual purchases.
That’s gotta be hugely inflated. If they required any sort of down payment, then I’d believe the number is close, but this one required nothing.
https://www.boxabl.com/order/
Huge market for who? Airbnbs and landlords? People who actually own land and want to live in one of these?
The plan was to make it as affordable as possible.
The conclusion I eventually came to was that to get to a remotely reasonable price point (around $10k at the time), anyone motivated enough to pursue this would probably find better solutions on the market-- like your example of a travel trailer.
Whatever these guys are doing is nowhere near that and not what the headline made me think of. It's definitely not going to help anyone who doesn't already have tons of other options.
The exception is the people who want to do that, and don't know anything about it, and would pay $10k for such a thing, set it up in the woods, and get eaten by a bear, fall down a ravine, or eat some poisonous flora on their third night.
I think you're right that it requires a certain amount of intense interest and preparation, and that people who are up for it will likely prefer a personalized solution over a pre-designed kit.
Perhaps it could still be viable as a service, where you help aspiring off gridders avoid common mistakes? Probably a tough sell regardless, but I wouldn't rule it out. I continue to be enthusiastic about the general idea.
Man, for a company that is passionate about space stuff, they sure don't seem to care at all about experiencing the night sky. tent made out of glow tubes? madness
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexayurt
Have you ever actually occupied a hexayurt throughout a full summer day at burning man?
My limited experience was that the typical one as executed @BM is just a dark, sweaty, oven. Excellent insulation by itself is a trap. Once you insulate a space with polyiso, you need good ventilation and heat removal. It's not really a good match for something so ad-hoc.
http://www.yurtcooler.com/
It's the lime scooters of "housing": no permits, no safety, lawless, convenient, short-sighted.
The guru guy, and his tasteless leveraging of someone's personal tragedy to his own grift is incredibly out of touch – provided even that is not made up.
Parody of summat, but I’m afeared of what. Something from an AI marketing department this way comes.
"Named after Lord Dundreary, a foolish aristocrat in Tom Taylor's play Our American Cousin (1858), who utters remarks of this kind; + -ism."
from https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Dundrearyism
Jupe pronounced like dupe.
dupe -to trick or cheat someone.
Jupe should be great for the west coast market: https://themessenger.com/news/l-a-built-a-licensed-tent-city...