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Oh, the non-existing values behind which the collective west pretends to hide. It is really difficult to be westerner with conscience over the past few years especially. It is not even double standards anymore; it is at this moment arguably, purified bigotry into which the collective psychology under the dictum of relentless, all-encompassing, ever-present propaganda morphed us into.

Bigotry in a sense that the rights (to defend, self-determine, etc) we so vehemently ascribe to/for ourselves as given are in the same sentence with dumb righteousness denied to the other party/country/ethnic. What is going on?

How is it that we defend this blatant anti-pole of what we claim are our values as a collective?

>Bigotry in a sense that the rights (to defend, self-determine, etc) we so vehemently ascribe to/for ourselves as given are in the same sentence with dumb righteousness denied to the other party/country/ethnic. What is going on?

Many, many, people have issues with self-referential inconsistency. It takes discipline, and importantly, resolve to not just accept the legitimacy of someone doing something you don't like, but to support their continued being able to do it on the basis of it being predicated on the same foundational values you claim your agency stems from. This is the whole part of where "bravery" comes into the picture with the actual act of exercising liberty and self-determination.

>How is it that we defend this blatant anti-pole of what we claim are our values as a collective?

Talk is cheap. Walk is expensive, messy, and full of unpleasant consequences. People have gotten out of the habit of actually standing up for capital L, Liberty. When liberty is a mere guideline, this is the kind of slide/speaking-out-of-the-side-of-one's-mouth/equivocation we end up sliding toward. Institutions getting co-opted by people with their own agendas in mind.

I wonder precisely what these students said/did? Some of the protests I've seen are things I'd rather not hear from anyone involved in the legal system. The people in our legal system should IMO never express enthusiasm about any extrajudicial killing whatsoever, and never blame a victim, not even when one might be tempted to indulge in a little victim blaming.

Some have been like that IMO, not all.

The letter by Harvard groups:

"We, the undersigned student organizations, hold the Israeli regime entirely responsible for all the unfolding violence.

"Today's events did not occur in a vacuum. For the last two decades, millions of Palestinians in Gaza have been forced to live in an open-air prison. Israeli officials promise to "open the gates of hell," and the massacres in Gaza have already commenced. Palestinians in Gaza have no shelters for refuge and nowhere to escape. In the coming days, Palestinians will be forced to bear the full brunt of Israel's violence.

"The apartheid regime is the only one to blame. Israeli violence has structured every aspect of Palestinian existence for 75 years. From systematized land seizures to routine airstrikes, arbitrary detentios to military checkpoints, and enforced family separations to targeted killings, Palestinians have been forced to live in a state of death, both slow and sudden.

"Today, the Palestinian ordeal enters into uncharted territory. The coming days will require a firm stand against colonial retaliation. We call on the Harvard community to take action to stop the ongoing annihilation of Palestinians.[1][2]

> Some of the protests I've seen are things I'd rather not hear from anyone involved in the legal system.

These people are primarily religious/political activists. When some of them enter the legal system, that facet of their personality is going to overpower the rest.

[1] https://www.thecrimson.com/widget/2023/10/10/psc-statement/

[2] https://web.archive.org/web/20231017222129/https://www.pales...

Do those who think in the same line as Haaretz columnist Gideon Levy also warrants being cancelled? https://archive.ph/QeSTZ
Cancellation might cause financial harm to a person, but it creates a feeling of victimhood. It is incapable of changing someone's views.
«The students, who have not been named, attend Harvard and Columbia.» So that's it for 1-2 of them? Or were there other protests at Harvard?