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"when a pullover is not the desired post-collision response"

Facepalm. Who could write something as inhumane as that?

Taking the full quote:

> notice filed with the National Highway Traffic and Safety Administration that it issued the recall after an analysis of the robotaxi’s response October 2 found the “collision detection subsystem may cause the Cruise AV to attempt to pull over out of traffic instead of remaining stationary when a pullover is not the desired post-collision response.”

I’m not sure what your concern is; that seems to plainly state the problem in what is a technical filing about why their product is defective.

Can you explain more what you find so objectionable?

I was thinking the same and almost made a more poorly worded response, but then thought better of doing so after re-reading the paragraph. The sentence is written by Cruise, is in a passive tense (which tends to be used when people are seeking to deflect blame), and "may cause" is weasel-wording when the event showed that it "did cause", as is "not the desired" which is substituting for something along the lines of "a harmful"
Exactly - you could also describe the cause of the two Boeing 737 MAX accidents that killed 346 people as "undesired horizontal stabilizer deflection due to erroneous input data", but that doesn't mean you should...
This article kept using the phrase "contingent workers" without defining it. I guess this is one of those Americanisms that they always expect everyone understands, like "401K" or "Chapter 11".
That phrase is used in every English speaking country I’ve been to. It basically means contractors.
I am a kiwi and I have never heard the term before. So at least one English speaking country doesn’t use it.
It'd be true if he'd never left America.
Hilariously, I have worked as a contingent worker in New Zealand.
At least one Australian academic uses it when talking about workers in New Zealand: https://researchportal.scu.edu.au/esploro/outputs/doctoral/S...

> Strategies for managing contingent knowledge workers in New Zealand

And this New Zealand company uses it on page 2 of this presentation (after previously using the terms "‘independent earners’, can be contractors, sole traders, freelancers, gig workers and independent consultants"): https://hnry.co.nz/uploads/The%20Future%20of%20Independent%2...

> Dynamic resourcing, the method of hiring a mix of permanent and contingent workers to respond to demand, is becoming more common in organisations.

So yes, NZ uses it too, just as a more wonky term.

I am a kiwi. We don't use it. I have literally never heard the term in my life.
It's a technical term. Most people don't use it even in the US. But there are at least some (as indicated in my second link) who do use it in Kiwiland.
Which is exactly my point. Authors should define such technical/unusual language.
Did you know beforehand what the adjective "contingent" meant? If you did, then that's enough to understand the gist of what was said (as the generally meaning of the technical term is basically the same as what the adjective + noun indicate). If you didn't, then that's what a dictionary is for.

And again, US publisher of US information, where the term has entered into the common parlance a bit more thanks to such use by journalists over the past almost 40 years (with a pronounced peak in the late 90s): https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=%22contingent+...

I worked as a contractor in NZ for several years, and everybody I worked for there classified me as part of their “contingent workforce”.

This isn’t an example of localised language. It’s just management jargon.

Yeah, inclined to agree. The _concept_ largely exists everywhere (though is more restricted in many countries than in the US; a lot of US 'contingent' workers would likely be deemed to be employees with job security in many countries), but the term is largely only used in the US.
Most countries in the world have people who work jobs that last only as long as the person paying for the job wants them to last. This is a contingent worker. They work contingent on the person or company they are working for still having a job for them to do.

And yes, Cruise is a US company working in US cities.

Without appearing as an apologist, was the behaviour during the incident _that bad_? Or more appropriately, that much worse than a human? Things like [0] happen frequently enough.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AbruptChaos/comments/151zjba/truck_...

If a person screws up that bad do you thing they'd still be allowed to keep driving without having to jump through some hoops? Now multiply it by a software shortcoming that effects an entire fleet.
Two typos. I typed this too late at night/early morning.
It wasn't the behaviour during the incident that got them suspended, it was the lies afterwards