Cue the "safety colors aren't necessary, obviously, Musk is richer than you so he knows better about everything" statements.
Sorry. I get the working 80 hours a week for a month, I've done that for passion and not money. But not the "boss's sensory triggers outweigh our safety" thing.
> hard left block heads with a resentment driven axe to grind
You immediately brought politics into a reply to a comment which was in no way political. I'm pretty sure you're actually the one with the resentment driven axe to grind.
I thought the game "I know you are, but what am I" was for kids. This hateful obsession with Elon Musk is inherently political, I didn't bring that to this discussion.
molesting flight attendants is also a violation of various laws.
In america, almost everything is practically legal for a fine - thanks to settlements and fines are absolute not relative to income.
And Elon had maxed his bank account, making him immune to the actual consequences of most laws and regulations.
The only thing these people still fear in terms of being held accountable is the court of public opinion because it may force politicians to change the rules.
Hence the obsession with cancel culture and the aggressive attempts at reframing oneself as the victim.
In practical terms these people are as untouchable as medical feudal lords.
From my experience in constructuion, I think it's because the people who are liable for these embarassments are not those who are funding it. Elon Musk('s company, that he gets final say on) is free to fire any third-party that doesn't follow his orders. The third-party that bends the knee and does something unsafe is putting their management at risk of legal danger in order to keep a well-paying client.
In construction, so I hear, it's often "feast or famine". You can make a lot of money working these jobs compared to standard fare. They have lots of overtime available and may have a higher pay rate or bonuses. I feel confident in saying that Elon Musk (or his company) is handsomely rewarding all the people doing this work.
I'm very serious about this being an embarassment. Taking the high road and not putting one's self in these dangerous work environments may not actually be that much trouble. The problem is that SpaceX is where the good money is at and some short-term risk may be seen as worth it.
Having an average of 66 injuries per year on average for the last 9 years is also less informative than I'd like. How many were serious? How many had full recoveries? This number doesn't include near-misses which should also be tracked.
Safety rules are said to be written in blood because more rules are made when someone dies. So ignoring those rules is asking for great risk. The people who are doing the work and putting themselves at risk also know this. That's why this poor behavior reflects badly on both parties.
> "Three ex-SpaceX supervisors told the publication Musk would have yellow machinery repainted to black or blue and some workers were told not to wear bright-yellow safety vests when the billionaire was on-site."
This would be pretty bizarre if true. There's a cottage industry of people taking pictures of SpaceX's Boca Chica facility for YouTube, so I skimmed one by RGV Aerial Photography which has lots of shots of their construction equipment. It was mostly yellow. This isn't a perfect test, I suppose there could have been some specific thing that he wanted repainted? But, I think this is probably BS.
I really enjoy HN because when I say like "Elon's Spacex" is doing great things-- rabid individuals come out to tell me that actually this other person is in charge and deserves the credit -- Gwynne Shotwell?
But now -- when things are bad -- why is their name not brought out? Elon is the convenient scapegoat?
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[ 2.8 ms ] story [ 51.5 ms ] threadSorry. I get the working 80 hours a week for a month, I've done that for passion and not money. But not the "boss's sensory triggers outweigh our safety" thing.
You immediately brought politics into a reply to a comment which was in no way political. I'm pretty sure you're actually the one with the resentment driven axe to grind.
In america, almost everything is practically legal for a fine - thanks to settlements and fines are absolute not relative to income.
And Elon had maxed his bank account, making him immune to the actual consequences of most laws and regulations.
The only thing these people still fear in terms of being held accountable is the court of public opinion because it may force politicians to change the rules.
Hence the obsession with cancel culture and the aggressive attempts at reframing oneself as the victim.
In practical terms these people are as untouchable as medical feudal lords.
In construction, so I hear, it's often "feast or famine". You can make a lot of money working these jobs compared to standard fare. They have lots of overtime available and may have a higher pay rate or bonuses. I feel confident in saying that Elon Musk (or his company) is handsomely rewarding all the people doing this work.
I'm very serious about this being an embarassment. Taking the high road and not putting one's self in these dangerous work environments may not actually be that much trouble. The problem is that SpaceX is where the good money is at and some short-term risk may be seen as worth it.
Having an average of 66 injuries per year on average for the last 9 years is also less informative than I'd like. How many were serious? How many had full recoveries? This number doesn't include near-misses which should also be tracked.
Safety rules are said to be written in blood because more rules are made when someone dies. So ignoring those rules is asking for great risk. The people who are doing the work and putting themselves at risk also know this. That's why this poor behavior reflects badly on both parties.
This would be pretty bizarre if true. There's a cottage industry of people taking pictures of SpaceX's Boca Chica facility for YouTube, so I skimmed one by RGV Aerial Photography which has lots of shots of their construction equipment. It was mostly yellow. This isn't a perfect test, I suppose there could have been some specific thing that he wanted repainted? But, I think this is probably BS.
But now -- when things are bad -- why is their name not brought out? Elon is the convenient scapegoat?
So if Shotwell accepts to follow the pressure from Elon, they are just as complicit -- especially as COO.
I'm not sure why you would defend them as they are pretty much in charge of the day to day operations.