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amne
somewhat off-topic but this is the first time I see bun actually used for something other than "let's compare it to node"
ge96
Someday, witty remark about anaconda and bun
devon_c
I generally just follow the "It's a drop in replacement for node" and hope the APIs I need are there. Also makes me feel like a 2023 bleeding edge blazingly fast developer which is 90% of the use case right?
pzmarzly
The project seems to have 0 external runtime dependencies, it should work without "bun install". That is really cool. In the code, it is using typescript, fetch API (so no need for node-fetch) and Bun.serve (so no need for express).

From my experience, a lot of users fail to get Node.js projects running - the distributions (Debian, Ubuntu) still ship ancient 10.x or 12.x versions, npm may or may not be installed, "npm install -g" will try writing to /usr by default and fail with EACCESS, etc. Bun gets the UX right - I think that author could even try "bun build --compile" to get ELF binary with bun interpreter and JS payload.

soderfoo
Awesome demo, short simple and to the point.

I did not know Meta released smart glasses. Has anybody found them useful or is it more of a novelty?

devon_c
They're actually good and have nearly replaced my airpods. I don't need glasses and don't live in SF so I do feel a bit pretentious though.

The potential is definitely there and I'd be very surprised if the Meta Reality Labs team haven't already added heaps of features internally and are just waiting or staggering releases.

TheHumanist
Ok, so how long have you had these? I also was unaware they had released these but they look pretty fun AND the price point is surprisingly approachable.

Are you wearing these out in public pretty regularly? Are people noticing the lenses? My main concern with buying these is that I will end up not wearing them in public eventually, which kind of makes them not super useful. I worry about that because I can see some people seeing those lenses and going off on the whole bit about am I filming them? am I filming their kids? And we all now the rabbit hole of uncomfortable public social iteractions this can take one down. So, I worry I would run into too many of these people downtown or something and end up being anxious about even wearing them out anywhere.

What is your experience and how long have you been wearing them around in public (if you are)?

devon_c
Wore them everyday for 2 weeks and I actually only bought them as I thought I could make something like this (through any hacky means).

No one has noticed they're any different, especially outside as I got transition lenses so they just go into normal rayban sunglasses mode. You could have a similar effect if you wore those old "new" 3D glasses out and about.

Even colleagues had to squint.

If I do ever have a bad interaction with strangers I'll just tell them about the lengths meta have gone through to prevent bad actors. (i.e: knowing you're trying to cover up the flash).

TheHumanist
What has Meta done to prevent bad actors?
devon_c
No SDK to hack (yet?), bright flash, loud "shutter" sound and anti flash coverup.
swyx
the sound quality isnt as good as airpods though!
KaiserPro
I have the previous version.

They make brilliant headphones. They have good microphones so they also work a great hands free, perfect for driving.

The cameras are subtle, and only get noticed when you point them out to people. In the street you're not going to notice they are different from any other wayfarer.

I don't use the assistant, because I'm never going to say "hey facebook" in public. Nope, fuck that.

the video is smooth, even if you are running. the stills are kinda useful for "in the moment" pictures.

For the newer version, I think its "hey meta" and they appear to do a lot more than just allow you to read facebook messenger messages.

digitcatphd
Really cool and actually a real use case.
laputan_machine
Very cool! Hacker ethos (make a fake account to leverage sending photos), short and simple demo. Nice job
devon_c
Thanks!

I first attempted a more standard approach via a webhook hosted on Heroku linked to an fb page, which theoretically would of worked.

But, Meta has limited you to only sending messages/pictures to "real people".

I believe they have to be on your friends list for a certain amount of time too but haven't properly tested all the edge cases.

TheHumanist
Oh is this your project? It's really cool!

Ok, so how long have you had these? I was unaware they had released these but they look pretty fun AND the price point is surprisingly approachable. Are you wearing these out in public pretty regularly? Are people noticing the lenses? My main concern with buying these is that I will end up not wearing them in public eventually, which kind of makes them not super useful. I worry about that because I can see some people seeing those lenses and going off on the whole bit about am I filming them? am I filming their kids? And we all now the rabbit hole of uncomfortable public social iteractions this can take one down. So, I worry I would run into too many of these people downtown or something and end up being anxious about even wearing them out anywhere.

What is your experience and how long have you been wearing them around in public (if you are)?

Also, legit question... how did you succesfully make an alt facebook account? lol Anytime I try with a different name so I can have an alt for buying stuff on marketplace it blocks that new account out because I can't verify it is me (because it's a fake name).

anonzzzies
How about for the quest 2/3? Anyone did that?

What similar quality vision models are there outside gpt4 ? It’s annoying it has so maybe (albeit mostly hack-prompt-able) restrictions.

Philpax
No camera access on those, unfortunately.
DevX101
I love this demo! 35 seconds, terrible video quality, but it shows you can unlock so much more. Great job.
devon_c
Thanks!

Recorded on OBS, uploaded to linkedin, screen recorded on iOS then uploaded to Youtube.

Is that not a standard workflow haha (initially was just to send to 1 mate who didn't have linkedin lol)

webappguy
Sorry did I miss something in the demo, I must have as it appeared you just took a photo and saved it, a function native to the glasses. Where did the vision come in? I'll watch again. Or was it that you saved it to a feed and not the native app
meesles
Where did the details about his food item come from in the list? That was GPT4 turning his vision into data.
devon_c
Just via prompt engineering, was something like:

`Using this image, estimate the nutritional information of it and output it as a JSON using this data structure: { "calories":int; "protein":int; etc... } `

_1
He's created another Facebook account. When he takes a photo, he tells the glasses to share it with his other account. He has a service that checking for messages sent to that account. When a new message arrives, theres GPT4-v script that analyses the image and logs the results in his food tracker.
jcims
This is awesome! I got my glasses a couple weeks ago. I’m in Vegas and actually wore them for the first time yesterday. They’re actually really nice and i was thinking how cool it world be to hook it into gpt4v.
_giorgio_
What "feedback" do you get from the glasses. Imagine taking a picture or sending a message...
_1
Audio only.
TheHumanist
Ok so do you just wear these around in public? Do you think people will see the pretty obvious lenses and be confrontational? That's the only thing stopping me... I love tech like this but I'm not trying to get bitched at in public when people think I'm filming them or their kids or something like that, you know?
KaiserPro
Its really hard to notice that they are different from normal raybans, unless you take a picture.

The lens are pretty subtle, and they look like normal wayfarers. When the light comes on, as you make a recording or take a picture, then they notice, but not all of the time.

TheHumanist
Ok, so if I wanted to walk through downtown on a pretty day and livestream that, it will have a bright light to let people know I am recording? I can't just do that subtly?
KaiserPro
Yeah if you are recording, the new ones have a bright light (possibly flashing I'm not sure) on. Which makes sense really.

They offer better protection against "unsuspecting picture taking" than normal phones, as the light is vaguely tamper proof. I'm not sure they record if you take them off either.

mistermann
I would think some paint could solve that problem or would that be detected?
KaiserPro
The detection is pretty good.

but, my friend, why do you want to cover up the light?

post_break
I've worn GoPros around live streaming and people don't notice. Wearing these glasses with a little led on the frame 99.9% of people won't notice.
Manouchehri
I have the first gen Ray-Ban Stories (they look very similar), and almost nobody noticed (~3 people in 2 years). I have clear lenses and wear them like normal glasses every day. I mainly use them for the speakers for notifications.

When the new Meta smart glasses were announced, I suddenly had >6 people comment on my old glasses. All the comments were positive, but it did make me more aware that I might get a negative reaction in the future.

oofdoof
I’ve been wearing these in public with prescription lenses and in Germany, of all places. The only person who has mentioned something so far was the guy at the door in the apple store. He recognized them immediately but I could tell he was into tech, so not an average joe and we had a nice chat about the glasses for a bit.

I always make it a point to explain that I’m not recording and that if I was the light would be on. And that if you try to cover it it actually will not allow you to record (which is true).

andyjohnson0
Have you tried wearing them in a casino?
Manouchehri
Shouldn't be any different than holding your phone out in a casino.
AlecSchueler
When Google Glass was around there was a big social pushback. Have we accepted the use of these devices around ourselves since then?
ConfusedDog
I was not gonna spend $1500 for Google glasses, but $300 for a Rayban isn't bad.
AlecSchueler
My understanding was that the pushback was based on people's discomfort around other people wearing these things, hence the "glasshole" name being used.
soylentcola
These don't even have the (more interesting, IMO) part though - the HUD.

Glass was obviously an early experimental design with loads of shortcomings, but at least in concept, a personal HUD was fairly interesting. I didn't care about the camera and found it disappointing that it was the only part people seemed to focus on. Isn't this just the camera/mic bit without the cool part, tied to a Facebook/Meta account instead of a Google one?

I agree $1500 was a bit steep for something barely above prototype level, but this is basically an earbud/mic that allows me to take hands-free photos - something I do maybe a few times per year.

Janicc
I think the pushback will be pretty insignificant simply based on the fact that compared to Google Glass, they really don't stand out as much.
AlecSchueler
Doesn't that make the privacy concerns that people previously had even more prominent?
crims0n
Do you have an expectation of privacy in public?
AlecSchueler
I have an expectation that people I'm speaking with aren't filming me without making it clear that they're doing so. Anyone doing otherwise I consider a creep and would rather not interact with.

Do also note that people wear glasses in private settings as well as public.

nickthegreek
The glasses have a light on when recording. The light cannot be disabled.
AlecSchueler
Your can't draw over it with a marker? What about the microphones? Will this still be the case in the next generation or in glasses produced by other manufacturers?
nickthegreek
No, if you cover the light, it will refuse to take photos or videos. Who cares about the next glasses from another manufacture? We are talking about the current Meta glasses that just came out.
AlecSchueler
I care and presumably other people with the same outlook care, that's why I was asking.

You're trying to assuage my concerns with the information about the light. That's Meta responding to these concerns and taking efforts to avoid upsetting anyone.

But once the market is proven then another set of glasses will be marketed as having the feature of silent recording. By that time the force of the market will be too great and my concerns will be laughed at and I'll be called a luddite and told I never should have had an expectation of privacy to begin with.

This is the embrace before the inevitable extinguish.

nickthegreek
The only solution to your concerns are legislation, and that is not going to happen in America as everyone has a video camera in their pocket and the 1st amendment exists. Private establishments are free to make rules regarding the use of these on their grounds assuming that the user is not using them for a disability related service.
AlecSchueler
I'm aware of that of course. No one can turn the tide against the market. But why do they bother, then, with the whole show of making it only record with a light? You agree that that's just theatre to seem less invasive than they inevitably will be?

I'm not based in the US so hopefully some local laws will help me out a bit, but at the end of the day, the law is not my moral barometer. I will respect the rights of the users of these devices while also exercising my own rights, as much as I am able to, to treat them as social pariahs.

cal85
I think you are very confused about what a reductio ad absurdum is. It is not a fallacy, it’s a perfectly valid form of argument (similar to a ‘proof by contradiction’ in maths), and it doesn’t seem to be what you mean here.
AlecSchueler
Thanks, I'll look into it and update my comment.
TheHumanist
But aren't the lenses more obvious on these? Just looked at the Glass and I guess they are about as obvious as the lense on that but the glass stands out more for sure because of its design (which I loved).
itsyaboi
These look like ordinary sunglasses while google glasses were akin to a dragonball z accessory.
etrautmann
IMO the pushback was against the perception that people wore them to signal that they had $1500 since they didn’t do that much and were fairly obviously futuristic on your face. I saw someone climbing in them and my impression was not that they were somehow relevant for the climbing..
Angostura
The push back was largely about the creepiness of being potentially surveilled all the time. This is just the same
floren
yeah it would be pretty fucked up if I was recorded all the time, like in every store. Or like walking through a neighborhood and half the doorbells call out as you pass to inform your that they're recording. Or if you do anything slightly embarassing in public and there is a teenager nearby.
AlecSchueler
We can accept the trade offs for some surveillance while still being critical of new trends. Or maybe you're ready to have a 24/7 livestream from your toilet?
floren
The toilet came up constantly in discussions of Google Glass, as though the presence of a camera on your head would suddenly turn you into a raving lunatic who pops his head over bathroom stalls and peeks over the urinal dividers.
AlecSchueler
I'm not sure I saw that argument at the time and I'm not making it now either. I don't know what to do with this response.
TheHumanist
This is my main concern. These lenses are much more obvious than the Google Lense cameras as well. I'd love to use some cool tech like this but I can absolutely see some people seeing the lenses and being confrontational and trying to act like you are purposefully filming them, or their kids... or something along those lines. Yes, it is legal to film in public but I'm not trying to have those sorts of confrontational interactions.
6gvONxR4sf7o
Unfortunately the lesson some people learned from google glass was ‘be sneakier.’ Hence the design of these.
m00dy
Obviously this is the future just need a bit more powerful tech.
criddell
When I see demos like this I think of William Gibson who said "The future is already here – it's just not evenly distributed."
alonsonic
This is a fantastic demo. I've tried to build these type of prototypes for all Meta Headsets in the past but their very limited API/SDKs block you from doing anything meaningful with computer vision. They are too scared of devs getting access to the camera.

Hope that Apple Vision Pro gives a more robust api to developers and that forces Meta to open up.

I will use this approach for a poc I have in mind. Great job and thank you for open sourcing!

devon_c
I did recently try to reverse engineer the connection Instagram are doing with the glasses in order to livestream through the glasses.

However, not too familiar with trawling through decompiled APKs (also presume there's some sort of internal secret they're using too)

No worries!

fullspectrumdev
That’s been on my endless todo list since I got the first version of the View glasses from FB/Meta ages back.
codeulike
Hey Meta, send a photo to Eez Discheaperon Amazon
devon_c
Lmao Defo possible using a mixture of tavily and the Amazon api!
WhitneyLand
Nice work Devon!

It may be “super hacky” as you say, but these projects are important.

We may have had a theoretical understanding that this was possible, but seeing your demo opens up our experiential understanding.

Lights up totally different parts of the brain.

johnwheeler
I was thinking the same thing. Obviously this is not meant to be a polished product, but it lights a spark that will eventually grow into a fire. We’ve always wanted this capability, and this guy has shown us it practically possible now. Doubtless there will be others, but that’s the point.
fgblanch
Very nice hack! I did a very similar project integrating ChatGPT bot but using WhatsApp business account instead of fake facebook contact. I got my account blocked when Meta discovered I'm not a business unfortunately. I'll retake the project with the FB account, it seems much easier.

Great job!

stuckkeys
I will wait for some kind of version that does not require a facebook account. Cool demo tho.
charcircuit
It does not require a facebook account. It uses a separate meta account.
b8
Matter of time until someone hacks Meta's glasses to cheat on tests.
devon_c
I started to make an implementation of this for leet code by having a bot transcribe an Instagram live and then could send you tips.

But the latency was about 30 seconds so during an interview it wouldn't be that useful haha

Moldoteck
Why? Latency too big, must be connected to smartphone. A smartwatch imo is much more versatile for cheating, esp those that look like analog watches with physical needles that indicate the hour.
padjo
Bookmarklets are still a thing? I just sorta assumed browsers shut them down years ago
devon_c
Surprisingly, really good for automating/improving the UX for various niche internal HR tools too!
gourneau
Meta folks if you are reading this , please give us a real SDK. Great hack though until we get that!
paul7986
What have others experience been using Hey Meta with their Meta glasses? Myself not great as it feels like a beta feature.. doesn't run reliably. Tho good effort by them using current technology.

What the glasses do now reliably are taking photos, short videos and transferring them into the Meta View app. Bluetooth audio transferring from my car stereo into the glasses is annoying and I couldn't find a setting to change / stop that.

As for Meta Vision there's so much innovation to happen here, nice!! gives me tons of ideas

nojvek
I wish meta glasses were an open platform and we could directly integrate with vision/llm apis.