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Ask HN: How Do You Get over Worthlessness Feeling After Restructuring?

5 points by tw3999482 ↗ HN
After 5 years working in a very successful product line, core to the company, the Engineering department decided to restructure the teams to decrease payroll burden and my team got dismantled.

It was purely investor pressure to make the company worth more for an eventual sale.

I found out I was the only one kept to keep the lights on a particular system. The system still generates lots of money, but C-level wants to invest in other options. It was made very clear that there's no opportunity for me to improve on it or work on my domain area.

Now Im stuck in a thankless maintenance role and doing duties outside of my job description. Worst yet, now I have to be always on-call so nothing fails.

Im trying to look for a new job, but between raising two small kids and the stress of on-call duty, I dont feel like I have energy or time to interview around.

I also found out that I was kept on the payroll just because of my knowledge of this system. Never mind everything else that I created and that other teams now own and get to improve on.

How can I get over this feeling of being worthless?

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flexappeal
Take time off, make yourself fully unavailable, let it burn.
ignorantguy
I am really sorry this happened. Depending on your financial situation, you can take a break and prepare for the interviews. it is really hard to work at a place where you are not treated well.
keikobadthebad
By not staying in that role, denying them being able to make that kind of decision about your value. You can't stop them thinking like that but you don't have to go along with it.
sys_64738
Don't bother going to work anymore then wait for the call. Tell them your contracting rate is 500$ per hour.
syndicatedjelly
Are you joking? This is extraordinarily bad advice and a great way to get blacklisted. At least be a little more tactful about it…
sys_64738
Blacklisted by who exactly? It’s a stupid job not something sinister. This is a standard tactic used by plenty of folk.
syndicatedjelly
Maybe in “stupid-job” land, your reputation doesn’t matter and it’s normal to light it on fire for a quick buck.

    After 5 years working in a very successful product line, core to the company
This makes me think that what they do isn’t some “stupid job”. Not every subfield is massive with tons of nameless bosses and employers; sometimes people are really specialized. Word about shitty behavior spreads. Kinda like how word spreads in the dev community about bad employers
gregjor
Remember when your parents and teachers and pastor told you about your "permanent record?" You can stop worrying about that now, it's a lie. Criminal record, yes. Credit record yes. What you did in school or at the last job... no.

Most employers don't even check references. There's no equivalent of a job FICO score, no "blacklist" to get on. Sure, if you do something illegal or outrageous maybe you'll create problems down the road, but that's not even likely. Even massive frauds and failures like Adam Neumann and SBF get way more chances than they deserve, when everyone knows what they did.

There's nothing immoral or wrong with quitting a job and offering your services to your former employer at a better rate. That's how probably half of contractors and freelancers get started. And it's very common with C-suite and executive types, and politicians.

syndicatedjelly
> There's nothing immoral or wrong with quitting a job and offering your services to your former employer at a better rate.

I don’t disagree with that. No one does.

> Even massive frauds and failures like Adam Neumann and SBF get way more chances than they deserve, when everyone knows what they did.

Are those supposed to be examples of people whose behavior we should emulate? Would you feel good about cheating and lying your way to the top?

> Don't bother going to work anymore then wait for the call. Tell them your contracting rate is 500$ per hour.

Here’s what the original comment said. It implies they should stop working and then blackmail their employer (if you don’t pay me exorbitant sums, I will let your critical systems fail). Since you’re a different person replying on behalf of that commenter, let’s hear your defense of doing that.

sys_64738
> Here’s what the original comment said. It implies they should stop working and then blackmail their employer (if you don’t pay me exorbitant sums, I will let your critical systems fail). Since you’re a different person replying on behalf of that commenter, let’s hear your defense of doing that.

You really sound confused about your moral obligation to any employer. Hint: you have none. Contractors are not extorting or blackmailing. You sound like a manager or owner of a business who doesn’t grasp what the employment relationship is.

syndicatedjelly
You know, I’m interested in having an intellectually honest and respectful discussion. I’m not an employer or boss; just a lowly dev with a tiny bit of self respect. Good day to you.
gregjor
I don't read blackmail into that. I took it literally: quit the job and if/when they call tell them you're charging $500/hr. That's a high but not crazy high consulting rate.

If someone quitting their job, or just getting sick, means critical systems will fail, that says the management didn't bother planning to mitigate that risk -- they didn't manage, in other words. If business continuity depends on one or a few key employees never leaving that business needs more competent management.

As for Adam Neumann and SBF, I intended to make the point that despite a well-known history of fraud and behavior worse than quitting and charging $500/hr they got multiple chances. I could name many other examples of serial failures and scammers in the tech industry. I don't condone that behavior or propose we emulate it. I gave those examples to counter the argument that quitting and contracting back to an employer would somehow tarnish a reputation, or that our professional reputations even exist anywhere except our own imaginations, or that anyone will bother to check work history.

You specifically mentioned getting blacklisted. Who maintains that blacklist? Can you explain in an intellectually honest way what you mean by that?

joshxyz
I hate to say it but I wholeheartedly agree, haha.
thiago_fm
This person knows what they are talking about. This is what makes HN worth it.

After doom scrolling seeing some people pretending to be smart, you find a gem like this one.

ipaddr
If a blacklist exists where can we view it?
ok_dad
You should demand a higher rate, seeing as how you temporarily have them over a barrel, or quit. Ask me how I know they’ll fire you as soon as that system isn’t important. You’re being a sucker by staying there and playing nice. You’re toast as soon as they have other options.
idontwantthis
Besides this hang on until the sale. If this thing is a moneymaker, then the new company is going to need to keep you, and you’ll have even more leverage then.
catlover76
I think the "getting over feelings" part is just not a HN question really.

The "what should you do" part--people here can help with that.

ipaddr
You have a great opportunity and gift use it wisely. You are in a rare situation where there is no one who can replace you easily and they don't want you to do much real work.

If you don't respond to an on call alert until the next day.. what are they going to do, fire you?

The maintenance work overloading you. Push back.. a week becomes two. Drag things on.. then push to upgrade to speed things up (and get you back in your domain). They will refuse but ignore your longer schedule.

Now you can take on that second job or prepare for interviews

shoo
My sympathies, you've gotten a pretty raw deal.

> I have to be always on-call so nothing fails.

You have agency in where you set your boundaries with your employer, perhaps quite a lot more than you feel or have been exercising historically. Decide how much you on-call you are willing to do and don't do any more for free. E.g. if you're paid to work 40 hours per week, don't volunteer to donate another 20 hours of work to the investors for free. Do your 40 and turn work comms off.

Management has decided to under-resource your team, for management to understand this has caused a problem, they need to experience the consequences of the decision, and feel that it is causing a problem for them personally. You can help them understand the situation by limiting your on-call participation to a level that is sustainable and makes sense for you and your family (and leaves you with enough energy outside of work). Then if the system goes down when you are not scheduled on-call, you need to leave your managers to deal with the fallout until you are back at work in your scheduled business hours.

thunkshift1
This is bad advice.. no point being macho here. OP unfortunately has no leverage.
scoobitydoobap
Don't they, though? They're the sole person who's been retained to maintain this product. Seems like management have worked themselves into a single point of failure, which in my experience has meant leverage for the individual.
codingdave
You aren't worthless, you are being given a significant amount of trust to use your specialized knowledge to single-handedly keep a system alive.

Now, I totally get that isn't the job you want, and they aren't treating you well. But it isn't a sign of being worthless. Find something better, but do it with confidence that you are seen as being quite capable in your work.

gnz11
You are most certainly not worthless. Your feelings on this will take time to resolve. Just remember that this situation is only temporary, you aren’t stuck for life. Many of us have been, are currently or will be in the same position. New opportunities will arise, I guarantee it. In the mean time, do whatever you can to renegotiate the on-call duty if you are the only one handling it. Since they are entirely reliant on you here, you have quite a bit of leverage.
dencam
Start searching for a new job.

Once they get an alternative system they are going to do away with you.

ddgflorida
Count your blessings - you could've been laid off. Start looking for another job.
VoodooJuJu
Don't derive your self-worth from your job.