While this is technically true, since Autopilot is a standard feature isn’t it more accurate to say that every Tesla ( almost 5,000,000 vehicles) has Autopilot?
Every Tesla from late 2014 onward. My May 2014 Tesla has no autopilot. That really hurt at first... buy a car for over $100k and it's obsolete a few months later when Autopilot and dual motor were announced.
Only if you paid for an upgrade and your car was compatible with said upgrade. Note that there are multiple different versions of these upgrades.
The self-driving tech was originally powered by now Intel owned firm, but that firm pulled the plug on Tesla getting more chips from them when Tesla started making full self driving claims.
Perhaps start by considering that Musk makes far grander claims about his "autopilot" and "full self driving" than other manufacturers.
He's already sold many thousands of FSD upgrades with the claim that the cars would be worth multiple times their purchase cost because they could be an Uber-like self-driving 'goldmine' for their owners when they would be updated by 2022-23. Yet last year and this were full of news about how badly FSD forks up events such as left turns and encountering fire trucks.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and Musk really hasn't put up anything more than smoke and mirrors.
If you want to go further, he's also choosing to be a very public liar. E.g., when Alex Jones first wanted to come back to Twitter, Musk's public response was “My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat, I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame.” That is as crystal clear a statement as one could make that Alex Jones and vile liars and child-death profiteers like him are unwelcome — permanently. Yet, today less than two years later, Jones' account was restored. That's just the most recent egregious lie.
So yes, making vaporware claims and taking money for them without fulfillment, and publicly lying about things people care a lot about, often merits additional scrutiny.
> Musk's public response was “My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat, I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame.”
It's worth noting that Musk's ex-wife, Justine, disputes this version of events.
Maybe, though not all untrue things people say are lies. The death of a child can really fuck people up, and distortions of memory aren't out of the question. This is one situation where I'm personally willing to be charitable
I found Teslas far less predictable because it attempts to work in so many situations.
Most adaptive cruise is “simple” distance plus “simple” check for lines. It’s intuitive and generally easy to understand when it will and will not work.
For me, Tesla does soooo much stuff that it’s hard to figure out if I should plan to intervene.
You must have fallen for the marketing / naming then. Autopilot is basic adaptive cruise control and lane assist. Every car manufacturer has the same thing. Are you thinking FSD?
Tesla bets on vertical integration being a win. Overall, it might add up to to a win, but it makes it very very difficult to integrate outside suppliers' technology if you fall behind in performance.
I already think it should be used in zero places. They lie with statistics to make it seem much safer than it really is [0], and Autopilot has a habit of disengaging 1-2 seconds before a crash, which lets it escape blame [1]. Frankly it's a regulatory failure that let Musk sell vaporware for years.
Yep. For everyone who says, "even with the crashes Autopilot is responsible for, human drivers are still statistically more dangerous!", my response is, "how the fuck do you know given that we've had to pull the truth out of these companies like teeth?"
I'm glad someone is trying hard and dumping resources into a very difficult problem. Selling a dream is most marketing, it's the response and what you learn on the way that bear the fruits.
- 35 year old, in their prime, old enough to no longer be aggressive, but young enough to be sharp and focused.
- 85 year old, losing vision, reflexes, and slightly senile
Mostly, what I'd like to see is liability for crashes placed on Tesla. If I kill someone, my insurance pays. If a self-driving car kills someone, manufacturer / manufacturer's insurance pays. That prevents them from offloading costs and incentivizes things like retrofitting safety upgrades.
Costs to consumer are the same in both cases, whether it's my insurance premium or whether it's baked into the selling price of the car.
Folks can keep going after Tesla (whatever you say, we know it’s just because of Musks politics) all they want, they’ll still sell like hotcakes because they’re vastly superior to the other EVs out there at the same price point.
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[ 4.7 ms ] story [ 77.2 ms ] threadWhile this is technically true, since Autopilot is a standard feature isn’t it more accurate to say that every Tesla ( almost 5,000,000 vehicles) has Autopilot?
The self-driving tech was originally powered by now Intel owned firm, but that firm pulled the plug on Tesla getting more chips from them when Tesla started making full self driving claims.
He's already sold many thousands of FSD upgrades with the claim that the cars would be worth multiple times their purchase cost because they could be an Uber-like self-driving 'goldmine' for their owners when they would be updated by 2022-23. Yet last year and this were full of news about how badly FSD forks up events such as left turns and encountering fire trucks.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and Musk really hasn't put up anything more than smoke and mirrors.
If you want to go further, he's also choosing to be a very public liar. E.g., when Alex Jones first wanted to come back to Twitter, Musk's public response was “My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat, I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame.” That is as crystal clear a statement as one could make that Alex Jones and vile liars and child-death profiteers like him are unwelcome — permanently. Yet, today less than two years later, Jones' account was restored. That's just the most recent egregious lie.
So yes, making vaporware claims and taking money for them without fulfillment, and publicly lying about things people care a lot about, often merits additional scrutiny.
It's worth noting that Musk's ex-wife, Justine, disputes this version of events.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/justine-mu...
> Yet, today less than two years later, Jones' account was restored.
Most adaptive cruise is “simple” distance plus “simple” check for lines. It’s intuitive and generally easy to understand when it will and will not work.
For me, Tesla does soooo much stuff that it’s hard to figure out if I should plan to intervene.
[0] https://www.forbes.com/sites/bradtempleton/2023/04/26/tesla-...
[1] https://futurism.com/tesla-nhtsa-autopilot-report
Yep. For everyone who says, "even with the crashes Autopilot is responsible for, human drivers are still statistically more dangerous!", my response is, "how the fuck do you know given that we've had to pull the truth out of these companies like teeth?"
I’m not sure what to say if you think this is a negative.
Developing dangerous technologies in a sandbox is the way it should be done, even if that means it greatly increases the development time.
- 35 year old, in their prime, old enough to no longer be aggressive, but young enough to be sharp and focused.
- 85 year old, losing vision, reflexes, and slightly senile
Mostly, what I'd like to see is liability for crashes placed on Tesla. If I kill someone, my insurance pays. If a self-driving car kills someone, manufacturer / manufacturer's insurance pays. That prevents them from offloading costs and incentivizes things like retrofitting safety upgrades.
Costs to consumer are the same in both cases, whether it's my insurance premium or whether it's baked into the selling price of the car.
Leave the test pilot work, to test pilots.
Don't misrepresent the product to my family members so they can be your beta testers, at the cost of their lives when it goes wrong.