Ask HN: Should I medicate my ADHD?

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I was diagnosed with ADHD as a child but have gone unmedicated my whole life. While there have been definitive obstacles to overcome, I’ve always thought of my ADHD as a superpower, as I have the ability to intensely hyperfocus and get incredible amounts of work done.

BUT lately I’ve been wondering. Have I been working harder than I need to? Should I give medication a try? Curious if anyone else here with ADHD has insight. I don’t want to lose my flame but maybe I need some help. Not sure.

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You are asking the wrong question. When it comes to medication: is there a specific problem you want fixed with a target objective?

You can try medication but without asking the right questions I suspect you will be disappointed. If you try it monitor for how you feel and what others observe as differences.

Imo that depends. If you don't encounter any major issues in your life, then I'd skip the meds. Not only they're really expensive, they're also really difficult to get ( especially recently, for some reason they rarely appear in the pharmacies ). They also don't always work - this is most likely different for each person, but I feel that they provide only a slight boost in my concentration and motivation ( in my case though, this is does make a difference ).
I’ve had ADHD my entire life, too, and never tried medication until my early 30s. After being unmedicated for so long and learning to adapt with it as a superpower as you say, I found meds to mostly be ineffective. They do remove the random side noise that can sometimes be detracting, which helps when you need single-minded focus without much deviation. Otherwise, it makes me feel jittery when it’s active and physically tired when it wears off. I tend to dose when I need it as needed, which my Psych says is fine if it works for me. Eg. a quarter of a tablet 30min or so before I need the effect. This is with plain methylphenidate and not an extended release variant. I’ve also known others to start meds later in life and shortly thereafter be unable to work effectively without them. In such cases, I am unsure if having a strong dependence on a med is worth it over trying to work with ADHD. Dependence on meds can have lasting effects.

That being said, I quite enjoy ADHD outside of times where it can make focus or work harder. I see things in, IMO, more interesting ways, and learn and notice things I might not otherwise. Some of these things have significantly contributed to my personal and working life in a positive way.

As a side-note, I also take Wellbutrin for depression, though it has a stimulant effect. I am unsure if this effect contributes but I haven’t noticed a significant change when I forget to take it for a while.

TLDR; depends. Try meds, see how it is for you. Try not to entirely depend on them to be productive.

I have a similar experience. I got a prescription for adderall type medicine when I was around 18 years old. I think my ADHD is not a very severe one. Taking the medication was not worth it for me. I could focus better after taking the pills, but when the effect wore out I was pretty exhausted and way more unconcentrated than before.
What impact are you hoping it will have? If you're worried about losing your flame try micro-dosing it. I've found < 10 micrograms of ritalin can have a useful impact - gets rid of some of the background noise but without the negative effects of too narrow a focus.
Sounds like you are living the dream. I have multiple family members with ADHD, and my observation is that everyone's ADHD has different results. Some of my people get nothing done, despite starting a lot of projects. Some get a lot done, but only under certain circumstances. Some get a reasonable amount done, but only if they have a plethora of choices to choose from - they cannot focus their focus, so to speak.

So if you are getting incredible amounts of work done -- why fix something that isn't broken?

At the same time, if you think it might help your life, you can talk to a doc about your thoughts, maybe try it for a bit to see what it changes, and then make an informed decision whether or not to keep doing it.

It just takes a lot out of me physically, emotionally and mentally. Wondering if I need to be spending that much of myself. I feel like I work twice as hard as everyone else.
I say this about myself.

My solution is trying to spend an appropriate amount of that effort on work that directly benefits me.

I want to work, I don't feel complete without having a bigger mission. So I'm just selfish about what I work on.

Why not try it for a month or two, if it's not any better you can go always go back. I read comments here that some take it during the week to get stuff done and go without on the weekends when they want to be more creative or whatever.
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Are you smoking? if so, you are already medicating yourself
Are you being serious? By smoking I think you mean pot? Is it a viable solution?
Strangely, yes. I can't find a good source for you at present but I've known people who self-medicated this way and it seemed to work for them.

But GP probably meant nicotine.

TBH I’ve smoked weed everyday all day long for over 20 years. Maybe that’s how I’ve gotten by but I’m wondering if there is a better and healthier alternative.
Yes I am serious and I meant nicotine. Many ADHD people are already addicts usually the worst form of it: cigarettes. It is a nootropic with a big health tradeoff. So don't consider yourself unmedicated if you are a user.

In my case, cigars help me a lot, much more than dopamine stimulants. I think acetylcholine stimulation should be studied more by the pharma.

I would at least try the meds for a couple of months. I started taking conserta, and it was kind of magical. My mood would improve a lot and I felt more sympathetic with people and problems I needed to solve. As if I had the energy of thinking all trought, with more points of views. Some time later I would get used to effect and it kind of wore out. Today I feel my antidepressants are more effective than the adhd meds.
> I would at least try the meds for a couple of months.

Whether or not you have ADHD, amphetamines will improve your life if you measure quality by how much you get done.

So I think the real question is: Are you prevented from functioning according to your expectations without daily amphetamine use, or not? And do you even see that as a problem?

I've used various (legal) amphetamines and modafinil variants for years, and they always made me very productive and happy, because I like getting things done. They also make me very high-energy.

Disclaimers:

  - Amphetamines are physically addictive
  - Being productive is psychologically addictive
  - Take time off, or the productivity effect will even out, just like too much coffee.
> I’ve always thought of my ADHD as a superpower, as I have the ability to intensely hyperfocus and get incredible amounts of work done.

This is the literal opposite of what AD(H)D is. You either don’t have ADHD or you have (arguably) ADHD primarily with hyperactivity.

ADHD drugs are stimulants— they don’t treat hyperactivity, they treat the attention issue… and as a side effect they are likely to worsen hyperactivity symptoms.

I can’t see any rationale for medication based on anything you’ve said.

(Disclaimer: everything I’ve said is based on inferences and incomplete information.)

> ADHD drugs are stimulants

SOME of them are.

> they don’t treat hyperactivity

Yeah, no. That's just really misleading. The first day on stimulants was the calmest I experienced in years. The whole idea of hyperactivity is (extremely simplified) that your brain fills the space of missing external stimulation. That's where self-stimulation comes from.

> SOME of them are.

Yes, it's true that not all of them are. But the first line treatment is pretty much always a stimulant, and non-stimulant pharmacotherapies for ADHD tend to not be as successful.

The main class of drugs considered to be non-stimulant treatments for ADHD, NSRIs, will actually have a somewhat stimulant effect owing to their primary usage being that of an antidepressant.

In rare cases you may even prescribe a depressor, but that's something you very rarely want to do-- every case is different and these drugs may work for some patients, but generally speaking it's a niche treatment approach with a very unfavourable risk-benefit ratio.

This is absolutely not true. I take prescribed stimulants for ADHD that has a significant hyperactive element. The stimulants significantly calm my hyperactivity.

I used to self medicate with large amounts of coffee. After my 11th espresso of the day at 7pm I’d cycle home and sleep soundly.

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Wow you have no clue what ADHD is.. cringe
I only have 2 years of med school and 12 years of biochem. So cringe.
It's surely way more cringe to be clueless about something while bragging about one's knowledge than basically any other combination of dispositions toward the thing.
Just because you don't like what I'm saying does not mean that it's not true. ADHD is very misunderstood.

This review is almost a decade old, but it should help correct some common misconceptions: https://sci-hub.se/10.1038/nrdp.2015.20

Thanks! It looks like OP is described on page 9 of this document. So if anyone said that OP's self-reported ability to expend extreme effort to accomplish his work was indicative of him having the opposite of ADHD, I would certainly direct that person to read this document.
> OP's self-reported ability to expend extreme effort to accomplish his work

This is not the same thing OP reports. OP reports having the ability to laser-focus, and page 9 talks about an impairment on this level.

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FTA (page 9):

> a university student with ADHD might need to work twice as hard as peers with the same aptitude to focus attention or to organize school work

This means that the ability to focus is impaired, because achieving the same result requires more effort.

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From OP:

> I’ve always thought of my ADHD as a superpower, as I have the ability to intensely hyperfocus and get incredible amounts of work done

Unless OP meant something different than what they literally wrote, this is the opposite. This means OP believes their ADHD helps them focus intensely somehow. In reality ADHD would have the complete opposite effect.

Here's the OP (the user, replying, not writing the opening post) to clear this up for us.

> It just takes a lot out of me physically, emotionally and mentally. Wondering if I need to be spending that much of myself. I feel like I work twice as hard as everyone else.

Thank you, this is information I did not have when I wrote my comment.

I was responding to the main prompt, and I did write this:

> (Disclaimer: everything I’ve said is based on inferences and incomplete information.)

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"Real human glow" is so nonspecific, as if you were inviting a flame war on purpose
Nonspecific, but I understood it.
Yet most will intuitively and immediately grasp its meaning.
Anyone who's experienced it will understand.

I've described it as feeling like you're thin, stretched, like butter spread over too much bread. And people promptly reply "like a robot, am I right". It's definitely a thing.

I'm a pretty middling writer, I wasn't sure how best to describe this concept. Again, this is from secondary anecdotes, I'm rephrasing something I was told by a friend.

If I were to reach for examples, I might say this human glow is fostered when holding your brother's baby for the first time, or watching the sunrise after a morning hike, or making a speech at a cousin's wedding. It's rewarding and fulfilling in a way entirely compartmentalized from the feeling stimulants provide.

My understanding is that stims tend to make us prioritize activities which are more artificially rewarding. Writing code, playing Dota, arguing online - all of these things feel great while on stims, but are spiritually empty in a way that I find difficult to explain to people who are already using.

That's the reason that despite an ADHD diagnosis in my youth I never picked up the stuff. Life is so short and almost none of its best parts are experienced behind the computer.

This sounds like the exact opposite of the effect ADHD medication should have!

Thank you for the explanation though. I think I was being unfair

Keep in mind that stimulants are one of a few paths. There's at least two popular prescription non-stimulants and a few other options.
Worth mentioning that e.g. Methylphenidate (Ritalin) is not an amphetamine, so there are eizher medication options.
I had a similar experience and almost everyone likes the new me better, including me. The old me said hurtful, asinine things. The new me is the one I always wanted to be.
That's great - I hope that continues to be the case. There's no doubt these drugs work well for plenty of people.
I think the problem is that a lot of people are written a prescription and told “ok, go get on with things”.

I worked with a psychiatrist over nearly 18 months titrating up and down on various different medications until we found one that worked best. And the we played with not only dosage but dosing patterns until I felt it was working without making me robotic (which some of them did for sure). It was a lot of work and required a LOT of input and self reflection on my part (and a lot of logging of things!) but worked out very well.

This is actually the opposite of what I’ve seen
Are you already self-medicating with coffee (or other stimulants)? Is the caffeine contributing to sleep disorders or physical shakes? One little-mentioned aspect of meds is that they can replace the useful effects of caffeine without the negatives.
I don’t want to go into too much detail but I’ve used substances of all kinds my whole life. That’s partially what drives my question here. I don’t want to do that anymore as I think my health is being effected.
In that case it may well be worth you trying ADHD medication as it could potentially be safer and have fewer side effects and negative consequences. Go through a professional, obviously.
Ive never been diagnosed for something like that, but I am inclined to say you should avoid that type of medication unless your condition is dibilitating.

It could be the case that you are working harder than you need to, im going to make an assumption about how you approach problems, hopefully its pertinent. I would recommend thinking critically about any given task before getting into the work. When assigned a task, I look it over and try to establish the plausability of its subcomponents first; think of this as reading the instructions and questions on a timed test before foolishly attempting to solve the first equation you see. I also try to think about who cares about that task, for what reason, and why; you can think about this as using the education you received leading up to the test, rather than using math you learned outside of the class and subverting the intent of the test.

I dont know what huristics and values will be most important to you, I dont know you; but I do think you could find an efficiency benefit from first evaluating a task based on that type of thought process, rather than immediately beginning the work.

> I would recommend thinking critically about any given task before getting into the work.

> think of this as reading the instructions and questions on a timed test before foolishly trying to solve the first equation you see

I realise that you’re trying to be helpful here but these comments show a significant misunderstanding of ADHD. For many people with ADHD plunging in without reading the instructions is the only way - or rather, reading the instructions first is nearly impossible, because of impulsivity and hyperactivity. Thinking critically about pieces of work is also difficult because one thought begets another and suddenly you are in a spiral of tangential interwoven thoughts and the whole thing becomes so overwhelming that you can’t see anything except a huge mess of thoughts and interdependencies and “what ifs” and the whole thing becomes paralysing.

What does debilitating really mean? I could always get the work done, and get it done well, but at significant cost to my mental energy. Medication has removed the sprawling overwhelm and allows me to focus and read the instructions first without that sending me into a spiral of overanalysis.

The point of these excercises is to interrupt that process before you get in into it, you may or may not be right that they wouldnt work on someone that has ADHD, but having manic behavior isnt always an indication of ADHD, and all else you have to go on is a childhood diagnoses.

So, in my mind you have already skipped that part where you slow down to analyze the problem, and have moved straight into prescribing a solution.

Debilitating I believe has a technical definition, but I would say that if your psychology is demonstrably causing you grief because you cant stay out of your own way, AND less invasive measures have proven ineffective, then medication may be reasonable.

“What does debilitating really mean? I could always get the work done, and get it done well, but at significant cost to my mental energy.”

That sums it up perfectly for me as well. I get shit done but at a high cost mentally, physically and emotionally.

Nah don’t do it. From your description your ADHD isn’t a huge impediment (save for the overwork) and one’s brain chemistry isn’t something to be messed with lightly. I’d posit that you’ll miss the hyperfocus if that goes or diminishes, so I’d look for other strategies like meditation or forced timeout from working rather than medication.

Also think if you hadn’t been “diagnosed” with ADHD - you’d think this was just how you were and you wouldn’t look for a pharmaceutical alteration for your unique manifestation of the human condition.

If you have a psychiatrist, do talk to them about that.

It might be the case that you have enough systems and mitigations set-up in life that really only the parts that feel like superpower remain. Some part of that could be some degree of self-medication, i.e. I assume that many people that live on coffee, nicotine and spite do in fact have undiagnosed ADHD and switching coffee to some sort of modern amphetamine prescription would improve quality of their life.

I did get medicated fairly recently. Spent a year really flailing at work, in a way that was not usual for me, but I got to a team with little structure and deadlines, with a team-lead where we often didn't understand each other but not to a degree he would care?

I figured I hav adhd-like symptoms (the innatentive-kind) for most of my life and that I might be at a point I actually need help, took me several months to find a psychiatrist, she agreed that I fit the diagnosis, and in my country I basically had the choice between Strattera, Ritalin and Concerta. Tried Ritalin in mornings for two months and wow, for that time, 4 hours every day I could do stuff ... piles of invoices I have usually been avoiding for weeks disapeared. For the first time in my life I had the experience of actually finishing some work I thought was completely pointless. But I didn't like that after lunch I literally needed to lie down for ~hour.

Changed to Concerta, which is ~slow release version of Ritalin, effect is not that big, but still noticeable, I am capable of creating piles of invoices on Concerta, but when I take it I don't scroll on tiktok for 15 minutes before I gear up to get out of the car and go to office and instead I can just ... go work, and I like that.

While anecdotal advice can be useful to contextualise stuff like this I would strongly be to urge you not to base this decision on advice from semi-anonymous people, and get a proper psychiatric assessment of your ADHD if you are able to. If you were diagnosed as a child it’s entirely possible that the nature of your ADHD has evolved over time. It used to be thought people “grow out of it” but this seems less well supported clinically now.

However, the impact and nature of ADHD is very much down to the individual and it sounds like you have either developed strategies to harness your ADHD or you may have ADHD impulsive/hyperactive without significant attention deficit/distraction. There is not “one type” of ADHD and this means that two people diagnosed with ADHD can have very different experience of things.

Before starting medication you should get an adult ADHD assessment and in particular the Qb Test. For me the Qb Test was particularly useful in diagnosis.

Diagnosis of, and thinking around ADHD has come on significantly in the past couple of decades so it’s likely that reassessment as an adult could have upside for you - even if you don’t end up going down a medication route - by giving you greater insight into the specific nature of your ADHD.

FWIW I was undiagnosed as a child but the symptoms were very clear - very hyperactive, very inattentive in class but due to good levels of general intelligence, ability to recall texts in detail after reading, and ability to hyperfocus (writing essays last minute, cramming for exams the day before) got high marks throughout school and college - but at significant cost to my overall wellbeing.

I was then diagnosed as an adult and have significantly benefited from medication.

As someone who used to use hyperfocus as a “superpower” and used to be able to deliver huge pieces of work by using it I fooled myself into thinking there wasn’t a problem, even though I knew there was. I actually get more done with less need to hyperfocus and feel less stressed and less “backfooted” now that I take medication. I’ve not lost the ability to hyperfocus but am bale to combine it with the ability to manage and plan, something I did not used to be able to do.

Thank you for sharing… if I may ask what medication are you currently on? Is it a stimulant?
Not OP but Vyvanse is a miracle drug to me. It's a stimulant, same as Adderall, but a prodrug. Your body processes it into dexamphetamine so it is much smoother with little side effects.
Damn, one day, when it is available somewhere near me ... right now only people in my country that know Vyvanse (or Elvanse) are foreigners lamenting absence of the one drug that makes them function.
how are the cardiac side effects? I tried and failed on a variety of stimulants because of tachycardia.
I am too, and mostly feel the same way. I have only been on it a few months though. How long have you been on it? Do you worry about long term side effects? I notice my heart rate is faster all the time though, but my cardiologist said not to worry.
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Give it a try, before your real life troubles start mounting.

I waited too long, until my wife and I were on verge of getting divorce, and I was struggling at my job. Medication put both back on track, but man do I wish I'd started earlier.

Yes, OP. In fact you should try see a doctor for this as soon as you can. People with ADHD have spoken about how they lost years of their lives through unrealized potential. People that might have otherwise gotten degrees, had more successful careers, and easier lives. It adds up massively.

If you do go on meds make sure to be honest with yourself about how you perform. You'll want to pay close attention to your sleep because many people find they can't get healthy sleep on the meds. If that happens a doctor may be able to prescribe something to help or switch to shorter acting stimulants.

I dropped out with only a few classes left because I couldn’t take it. It did start my entrepreneurship career but dang, I would have liked to have that degree.
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Talk to the doctor and all that. But for added context, some stuff I learned which I don't see often mentioned:

- most ADHD meds wear off in hours, even the extended release ones, so you can always try it without long term changes

- people talk mostly about stimulants, but there are non-stimulant options too, with the benefit of easier prescribing and avoiding the shortages

- HN (thanks @Podgajski) pointed me at an interesting paper https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.mehy.2013.11.018 and letter I was sent https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bjpsych-open/article... which work really well for me, so you could even try checking for vitamin deficiencies first (daily b6+b2 worked better than other things I've tried)

Can you elaborate on point 3. Did you fix the deficiencies using supplements or a changed diet? On what time scale did you see improvements?
Supplements. Almost 2 months on 200mg b6 daily (first paper), a couple of weeks with added b2 (found the second paper). Effects kicked in in ~half a week. Contrary to the paper, the effects still mostly wear off in over a day. Tried both ritalin and non-stimulants before (which worked), but all had bad side effects. These vitamins are about as effective for the issues I had.

I didn't get tested first, so can't tell if I would come up with the described deficiencies from the second paper.

You seem to be functioning well and may no longer meet the criteria for ADHD. This is actually not uncommon, nor unexpected: the frontal lobe of your brain, responsible for executive functioning, isn’t done developing until you’re 25.
Ok so these are my personal experiences as an “intelligent” scattered ADHD type. Meditation works, exercise works, medication works, talk therapy works, organisational systems work. Organisational systems emerge as a result of effort applied and previously mentioned interventions. Read about your disability and understand it. Learn to understand your own limitations. Medication may be the spring board to form habits that do not cure your ADHD but manage its impact.

Some psychiatrists feel that ADHD is a manifestation of a deep discomfort with societal rules that were forced upon someone from birth, without consent. I feel some truth to this. This paragraph is not advice but speculation.

> Just try one or two months

Seen this posted a few times.

I've seen it completely destroy a person and it took years to recover.