Ask HN: Should I medicate my ADHD?
I was diagnosed with ADHD as a child but have gone unmedicated my whole life. While there have been definitive obstacles to overcome, I’ve always thought of my ADHD as a superpower, as I have the ability to intensely hyperfocus and get incredible amounts of work done.
BUT lately I’ve been wondering. Have I been working harder than I need to? Should I give medication a try? Curious if anyone else here with ADHD has insight. I don’t want to lose my flame but maybe I need some help. Not sure.
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[ 6.0 ms ] story [ 176 ms ] threadYou can try medication but without asking the right questions I suspect you will be disappointed. If you try it monitor for how you feel and what others observe as differences.
That being said, I quite enjoy ADHD outside of times where it can make focus or work harder. I see things in, IMO, more interesting ways, and learn and notice things I might not otherwise. Some of these things have significantly contributed to my personal and working life in a positive way.
As a side-note, I also take Wellbutrin for depression, though it has a stimulant effect. I am unsure if this effect contributes but I haven’t noticed a significant change when I forget to take it for a while.
TLDR; depends. Try meds, see how it is for you. Try not to entirely depend on them to be productive.
So if you are getting incredible amounts of work done -- why fix something that isn't broken?
At the same time, if you think it might help your life, you can talk to a doc about your thoughts, maybe try it for a bit to see what it changes, and then make an informed decision whether or not to keep doing it.
My solution is trying to spend an appropriate amount of that effort on work that directly benefits me.
I want to work, I don't feel complete without having a bigger mission. So I'm just selfish about what I work on.
But GP probably meant nicotine.
In my case, cigars help me a lot, much more than dopamine stimulants. I think acetylcholine stimulation should be studied more by the pharma.
Whether or not you have ADHD, amphetamines will improve your life if you measure quality by how much you get done.
So I think the real question is: Are you prevented from functioning according to your expectations without daily amphetamine use, or not? And do you even see that as a problem?
I've used various (legal) amphetamines and modafinil variants for years, and they always made me very productive and happy, because I like getting things done. They also make me very high-energy.
Disclaimers:
This is the literal opposite of what AD(H)D is. You either don’t have ADHD or you have (arguably) ADHD primarily with hyperactivity.
ADHD drugs are stimulants— they don’t treat hyperactivity, they treat the attention issue… and as a side effect they are likely to worsen hyperactivity symptoms.
I can’t see any rationale for medication based on anything you’ve said.
(Disclaimer: everything I’ve said is based on inferences and incomplete information.)
SOME of them are.
> they don’t treat hyperactivity
Yeah, no. That's just really misleading. The first day on stimulants was the calmest I experienced in years. The whole idea of hyperactivity is (extremely simplified) that your brain fills the space of missing external stimulation. That's where self-stimulation comes from.
Yes, it's true that not all of them are. But the first line treatment is pretty much always a stimulant, and non-stimulant pharmacotherapies for ADHD tend to not be as successful.
The main class of drugs considered to be non-stimulant treatments for ADHD, NSRIs, will actually have a somewhat stimulant effect owing to their primary usage being that of an antidepressant.
In rare cases you may even prescribe a depressor, but that's something you very rarely want to do-- every case is different and these drugs may work for some patients, but generally speaking it's a niche treatment approach with a very unfavourable risk-benefit ratio.
I used to self medicate with large amounts of coffee. After my 11th espresso of the day at 7pm I’d cycle home and sleep soundly.
This review is almost a decade old, but it should help correct some common misconceptions: https://sci-hub.se/10.1038/nrdp.2015.20
This is not the same thing OP reports. OP reports having the ability to laser-focus, and page 9 talks about an impairment on this level.
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FTA (page 9):
> a university student with ADHD might need to work twice as hard as peers with the same aptitude to focus attention or to organize school work
This means that the ability to focus is impaired, because achieving the same result requires more effort.
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From OP:
> I’ve always thought of my ADHD as a superpower, as I have the ability to intensely hyperfocus and get incredible amounts of work done
Unless OP meant something different than what they literally wrote, this is the opposite. This means OP believes their ADHD helps them focus intensely somehow. In reality ADHD would have the complete opposite effect.
> It just takes a lot out of me physically, emotionally and mentally. Wondering if I need to be spending that much of myself. I feel like I work twice as hard as everyone else.
I was responding to the main prompt, and I did write this:
> (Disclaimer: everything I’ve said is based on inferences and incomplete information.)
I've described it as feeling like you're thin, stretched, like butter spread over too much bread. And people promptly reply "like a robot, am I right". It's definitely a thing.
If I were to reach for examples, I might say this human glow is fostered when holding your brother's baby for the first time, or watching the sunrise after a morning hike, or making a speech at a cousin's wedding. It's rewarding and fulfilling in a way entirely compartmentalized from the feeling stimulants provide.
My understanding is that stims tend to make us prioritize activities which are more artificially rewarding. Writing code, playing Dota, arguing online - all of these things feel great while on stims, but are spiritually empty in a way that I find difficult to explain to people who are already using.
That's the reason that despite an ADHD diagnosis in my youth I never picked up the stuff. Life is so short and almost none of its best parts are experienced behind the computer.
Thank you for the explanation though. I think I was being unfair
I worked with a psychiatrist over nearly 18 months titrating up and down on various different medications until we found one that worked best. And the we played with not only dosage but dosing patterns until I felt it was working without making me robotic (which some of them did for sure). It was a lot of work and required a LOT of input and self reflection on my part (and a lot of logging of things!) but worked out very well.
It could be the case that you are working harder than you need to, im going to make an assumption about how you approach problems, hopefully its pertinent. I would recommend thinking critically about any given task before getting into the work. When assigned a task, I look it over and try to establish the plausability of its subcomponents first; think of this as reading the instructions and questions on a timed test before foolishly attempting to solve the first equation you see. I also try to think about who cares about that task, for what reason, and why; you can think about this as using the education you received leading up to the test, rather than using math you learned outside of the class and subverting the intent of the test.
I dont know what huristics and values will be most important to you, I dont know you; but I do think you could find an efficiency benefit from first evaluating a task based on that type of thought process, rather than immediately beginning the work.
> think of this as reading the instructions and questions on a timed test before foolishly trying to solve the first equation you see
I realise that you’re trying to be helpful here but these comments show a significant misunderstanding of ADHD. For many people with ADHD plunging in without reading the instructions is the only way - or rather, reading the instructions first is nearly impossible, because of impulsivity and hyperactivity. Thinking critically about pieces of work is also difficult because one thought begets another and suddenly you are in a spiral of tangential interwoven thoughts and the whole thing becomes so overwhelming that you can’t see anything except a huge mess of thoughts and interdependencies and “what ifs” and the whole thing becomes paralysing.
What does debilitating really mean? I could always get the work done, and get it done well, but at significant cost to my mental energy. Medication has removed the sprawling overwhelm and allows me to focus and read the instructions first without that sending me into a spiral of overanalysis.
So, in my mind you have already skipped that part where you slow down to analyze the problem, and have moved straight into prescribing a solution.
Debilitating I believe has a technical definition, but I would say that if your psychology is demonstrably causing you grief because you cant stay out of your own way, AND less invasive measures have proven ineffective, then medication may be reasonable.
That sums it up perfectly for me as well. I get shit done but at a high cost mentally, physically and emotionally.
Also think if you hadn’t been “diagnosed” with ADHD - you’d think this was just how you were and you wouldn’t look for a pharmaceutical alteration for your unique manifestation of the human condition.
It might be the case that you have enough systems and mitigations set-up in life that really only the parts that feel like superpower remain. Some part of that could be some degree of self-medication, i.e. I assume that many people that live on coffee, nicotine and spite do in fact have undiagnosed ADHD and switching coffee to some sort of modern amphetamine prescription would improve quality of their life.
I did get medicated fairly recently. Spent a year really flailing at work, in a way that was not usual for me, but I got to a team with little structure and deadlines, with a team-lead where we often didn't understand each other but not to a degree he would care?
I figured I hav adhd-like symptoms (the innatentive-kind) for most of my life and that I might be at a point I actually need help, took me several months to find a psychiatrist, she agreed that I fit the diagnosis, and in my country I basically had the choice between Strattera, Ritalin and Concerta. Tried Ritalin in mornings for two months and wow, for that time, 4 hours every day I could do stuff ... piles of invoices I have usually been avoiding for weeks disapeared. For the first time in my life I had the experience of actually finishing some work I thought was completely pointless. But I didn't like that after lunch I literally needed to lie down for ~hour.
Changed to Concerta, which is ~slow release version of Ritalin, effect is not that big, but still noticeable, I am capable of creating piles of invoices on Concerta, but when I take it I don't scroll on tiktok for 15 minutes before I gear up to get out of the car and go to office and instead I can just ... go work, and I like that.
However, the impact and nature of ADHD is very much down to the individual and it sounds like you have either developed strategies to harness your ADHD or you may have ADHD impulsive/hyperactive without significant attention deficit/distraction. There is not “one type” of ADHD and this means that two people diagnosed with ADHD can have very different experience of things.
Before starting medication you should get an adult ADHD assessment and in particular the Qb Test. For me the Qb Test was particularly useful in diagnosis.
Diagnosis of, and thinking around ADHD has come on significantly in the past couple of decades so it’s likely that reassessment as an adult could have upside for you - even if you don’t end up going down a medication route - by giving you greater insight into the specific nature of your ADHD.
FWIW I was undiagnosed as a child but the symptoms were very clear - very hyperactive, very inattentive in class but due to good levels of general intelligence, ability to recall texts in detail after reading, and ability to hyperfocus (writing essays last minute, cramming for exams the day before) got high marks throughout school and college - but at significant cost to my overall wellbeing.
I was then diagnosed as an adult and have significantly benefited from medication.
As someone who used to use hyperfocus as a “superpower” and used to be able to deliver huge pieces of work by using it I fooled myself into thinking there wasn’t a problem, even though I knew there was. I actually get more done with less need to hyperfocus and feel less stressed and less “backfooted” now that I take medication. I’ve not lost the ability to hyperfocus but am bale to combine it with the ability to manage and plan, something I did not used to be able to do.
I waited too long, until my wife and I were on verge of getting divorce, and I was struggling at my job. Medication put both back on track, but man do I wish I'd started earlier.
If you do go on meds make sure to be honest with yourself about how you perform. You'll want to pay close attention to your sleep because many people find they can't get healthy sleep on the meds. If that happens a doctor may be able to prescribe something to help or switch to shorter acting stimulants.
- most ADHD meds wear off in hours, even the extended release ones, so you can always try it without long term changes
- people talk mostly about stimulants, but there are non-stimulant options too, with the benefit of easier prescribing and avoiding the shortages
- HN (thanks @Podgajski) pointed me at an interesting paper https://sci-hub.se/10.1016/j.mehy.2013.11.018 and letter I was sent https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/bjpsych-open/article... which work really well for me, so you could even try checking for vitamin deficiencies first (daily b6+b2 worked better than other things I've tried)
I didn't get tested first, so can't tell if I would come up with the described deficiencies from the second paper.
Some psychiatrists feel that ADHD is a manifestation of a deep discomfort with societal rules that were forced upon someone from birth, without consent. I feel some truth to this. This paragraph is not advice but speculation.
https://x.com/uberstuber/status/1736489420466110843?s=46
It probably deserves a HN post of its own!
Seen this posted a few times.
I've seen it completely destroy a person and it took years to recover.