I understand your concern but I think at the moment it's simply the case that more people are cautious of Boeing's planes than Airbus'. Reading some sort of financial sponsorship in that is probably a bit much.
Because there is no other plane in the market other than Airbus 320 that is in the same class as 737. The only other manufacturer is Embraer with their 175 which is a much smaller aircraft.
I’ve worked for Boeing during these last few years and love aviation history and Boeing’s role in it:
Before you suggest that the reason for the disparity is fanaticism, you ought to consider that this may be because in the last decade or so Airbus planes have generated less criticism… because there’s significantly less to criticize.
Ironically I've always felt the opposite, every time some bad news about the max comes out I see a bunch of boeing defenders which was always odd to me given those in my network who work(+ed) there are often the most critical of boeing
we can always find Apple iOS or Android critics and defenders. But the Apple fanboy is more of a true believer. That's what I'm talking about re Airbus v Boeing
There is a very strong reason why Airbus does not publicize mishaps of their competitors. Once airline manufacturers start slinging mud at each other it will damage the carefully built trust that they have gained over the years. Neither Airbus nor Boeing want this. Airbus has had it's fair share of mishaps as well, which Boeing has not publicized either.
This is post is not sponsored nor endorsed by Airbus or any other plane manufacturer for that reason. Note that airbus has not done so when the 737 max had 2 accidents that were due to lax regulatory oversight.
This post IS sponsored by a travel company that tries to market their service to a wary public that doesn't want to fly on a potentially badly manufactured airframe.
I have to say I am not a big fan of the 737. At this point, the A320 family feels more comfortable and quieter than the MAXes I've flown in.
I also have a bitter disappointment with a MAX, where I ordered a window seat that ended next to a deactivated door, with a cover panel with no window at all (at least the plug of death has a window).
+1 . Specifically the SW airlines ones don't allow for me to type on my laptop comfortable, while the other planes in their fleet do. Between that, and the increase in boarding/sitting on tarmac times, I've been avoiding flying and trying to vacation in places I can drive to.
I don’t know if it’s a difference between the models or just configuration but I had 2 SWA flights last week. The first was in a MAX with SWA’s newer configuration and seats with very short tray tables. The second flight was on a 738 that had the older leather seats and much deeper tray table. Again unsure if it’s just that the 738 is incompatible with the new seats or they just haven’t updated it yet.
I thought airplane interiors are outfitted for the specific airline. So your issue is with the tray table in a SW 737-MAX-7?/8?/9?, not the MAX in general.
Seat configurations probably. They have a team of people that work on tweaking seating configs to allow more seats. Take away 1/2" per row for 100 rows, and you now have 50" of "new" space. Remove X inches in width per seat and Y inches from the aisle(s), and you suddenly get 1 additional set per row. I don't know what actual numbers are, but that's how they play with it.
I brought this up in another thread, but the floor level is a couple inches lower in the A320 series so the plane feels larger because you (both figuratively and literally) have more headroom, which I personally greatly enjoy.
Aren't you sitting down 99.99% of the time and standing up 0.01% of the time? How isn't leg room the hugely primary concern over the ability to stand up?
On a 737, most short people have to as well. I don't really see how any narrow-body could be outfitted 6 seats wide and allow tall people to stand up straight at their seat, and still retain overhead compartments.
As a passenger I'd love both, thank you. I do find it annoying to have to walk down the center stooped over or with my head turned sideways in smaller planes. I'm not even unusually tall--only 190 cm.
But yes, I do value legroom more than headroom. They don't, however, trade against each other.
The A320s do seem bigger now that you mention it.
On the other hand, I do really enjoy the blue ambient light in the 737 - can’t really explain why, but it’s comforting.
Safety issues aside... People say there's an inch here, a few decibels there, but after some time in both the experience in the MAX and the A32X are about the same to me. Both are crowded in economy, and both are loud if you sit in the back. I like the Embraer E-jets for short hops when there's a choice.
I guess because quite a few people on here would like to avoid the 737 MAX? You don't have to book through them, just scroll down to the list of airlines that don't use any 737 MAX's
It's also ignoring the fact that when you book the flight and when the flight actually leaves many many things can happen where a totally different aircraft is actually used for the flight than what was listed at time of purchase.
You'll get a list of airlines that have taken delivery of the Max. (an inverse list)
Southwest 187
United Air 136
Ryanair 124
Alaska 63
American 55
Aeromexico 51
Flydubai 49
Air canada 40
Copa Airlines 26
Turkish Airlines 25
WestJet 23
Lion Air 22
Akasa Air 20
Norwegin Air 18
Air China 16
China Southern 16
China Eastern 14
Ethiopiean Airlines 13
SpiceJet 13
Singapore Airlines 10
etc.
A few years ago, I happened fly on Southwest flight on a brand spanking new 737 Max. The captain announced that it was the first "Revenue Flight" of the plane. That was exciting.
Be careful that data doesn't say what you think it does. Southwest for example has the most MAX orders (being the launch partner for the airframe), but only uses MAX 8 and has only MAX 7/8 on order. They don't fly the MAX 9 at all.
Because of the long lead time for aircraft and financial commitment, many airlines will place large orders and take delivery of aircraft that they then turn around and sell or lease.
Is the model number relevant because 7s, 8s, and 9s have different MCAS, the system that Boeing deleted from the flight manual that contributed to the catastrophes in 2018 and 2019?
Or because the defect in engine inlets and anti-ice systems that can cause the engine housing to overheat and break off during flight, for which Boeing requested an exemption to postpone fixes, is different for each model number?
Or because each model has different pressurization systems and warning lights, that Alaska Airlines "reset" to turn off the light so they could continue to fly, instead of thoroughly investigating and resolving?
Or because not all the models have the same door plug with a loose bolt that blew out?
How much is common among all Max models, and why shouldn't the public be concerned about all variants of them?
The model number is very relevant because MAX9 is currently grounded. If you are trying to figure out how it impacts your upcoming travel plans (seemingly the point of the original submission) then simply looking at "MAX" is not super useful.
I'm less interested in how the incident du jour affects travel plans.
I'm more interested in the continuing drumbeat of engineering failures, quality control lapses, apparent corner cutting and evasion of regulation that affect various Max models.
If I have a choice, I'll choose an airline that doesn't have any Max planes in their fleet.
This is simply a badly written, outdated list of airlines that don’t use the 737 MAX. It is not a list of airlines who have grounded their fleet due to the current safety concerns.
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[ 3.5 ms ] story [ 125 ms ] threadAlaska's not in the bulleted list, and yet Delta is, but it doesn't have / fly 737 Max 9s?
https://www.ajc.com/news/atlanta-airport-blog/delta-does-not...
Did an AI write this spam?
https://i.stack.imgur.com/zw24I.png
At the least, this website would be more useful if it allowed multiple makes/models to be used in the exclusion-list.
wikipedia Airbus pages do not contain criticism for long; Boeing pages air the planes' flaws.
Before you suggest that the reason for the disparity is fanaticism, you ought to consider that this may be because in the last decade or so Airbus planes have generated less criticism… because there’s significantly less to criticize.
This is post is not sponsored nor endorsed by Airbus or any other plane manufacturer for that reason. Note that airbus has not done so when the 737 max had 2 accidents that were due to lax regulatory oversight.
This post IS sponsored by a travel company that tries to market their service to a wary public that doesn't want to fly on a potentially badly manufactured airframe.
I also have a bitter disappointment with a MAX, where I ordered a window seat that ended next to a deactivated door, with a cover panel with no window at all (at least the plug of death has a window).
Sadly, replacing the seats for ever thinner ones is much more costly than crushing my legs in economy. Or economy "plus", which is not much better.
But yes, I do value legroom more than headroom. They don't, however, trade against each other.
Is this just a step above ambulance chasing?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_737_MAX_orders_...
Then sort by "Total Deliveries" Column.
You'll get a list of airlines that have taken delivery of the Max. (an inverse list)
Southwest 187 United Air 136 Ryanair 124 Alaska 63 American 55 Aeromexico 51 Flydubai 49 Air canada 40 Copa Airlines 26 Turkish Airlines 25 WestJet 23 Lion Air 22 Akasa Air 20 Norwegin Air 18 Air China 16 China Southern 16 China Eastern 14 Ethiopiean Airlines 13 SpiceJet 13 Singapore Airlines 10
etc.
A few years ago, I happened fly on Southwest flight on a brand spanking new 737 Max. The captain announced that it was the first "Revenue Flight" of the plane. That was exciting.
Because of the long lead time for aircraft and financial commitment, many airlines will place large orders and take delivery of aircraft that they then turn around and sell or lease.
If you want airlines that are flying 737 Max 9, there aren't many. And you can get that list here.
https://www.planespotters.net/aircraft/production/boeing-737...
Lion Air
Thai Lion Air
United Airlines
Copa Airlines
FlyDubai
Icelandair
Turkish Airlines
Aeromexico
Alaska Airlines
SCAT airlines
And all US carriers + Turkish Air + Aeromexico have grounded it.
Or because the defect in engine inlets and anti-ice systems that can cause the engine housing to overheat and break off during flight, for which Boeing requested an exemption to postpone fixes, is different for each model number?
Or because each model has different pressurization systems and warning lights, that Alaska Airlines "reset" to turn off the light so they could continue to fly, instead of thoroughly investigating and resolving?
Or because not all the models have the same door plug with a loose bolt that blew out?
How much is common among all Max models, and why shouldn't the public be concerned about all variants of them?
Interestingly, the sealed door only relies on a bunch of bolts to hold it against cabin pressure.
https://twitter.com/NTSB_Newsroom/status/1744202059870831016...
I'm more interested in the continuing drumbeat of engineering failures, quality control lapses, apparent corner cutting and evasion of regulation that affect various Max models.
If I have a choice, I'll choose an airline that doesn't have any Max planes in their fleet.